"Our Country, Our Voice?"

You know, I don\'t have to post comments such as these, especially when they are rude, but I like to stick to our general commitment of providing a fair space for everyone to speak whenever possible. It is part and parcel of what makes this site the popular forum that it is.

Of course, since this person posted anonymously I can\'t email whoever it is directly, and I doubt they will revisit the site.

However, I want to say that Vive presents a range of political opinions, from more conservative--ahem Dr Calbeb --to Tory conservative (Ron Dart etc) to centre to left to socialist (Robin Mathews) and anarchist. Basically the opinions are as diverse as the people who post--and since anyone may post to the site, it is in fact shaped largely by the Canadians who visit. Hence the \"our voice.\" We have not shrunk away from posting articles that question the very mission of the site (Canadian sovereignty) such as Paul Kellogg\'s work, and we are always open to debate.

And frankly, it is hardly an \"extremist\" site--unless you consider the federal NDP extremist, since most of our views don\'t get any more extreme than theirs.

Who, me? <p> I find it enlightning that you posted this Susan. By posting it, you've made the statement that all views here have a voice. It proves that this persons views also have a voice on this site, which disproves the message they are trying to relate.<p> Free Speech is alive and flourishing here, even if the poster claims it isn't. And keep deleting the hatred. It has no place in a civilized society.<p> <p>---<br>"History does not repeat itself, but it does rhyme" Mark Twain <br />"The greatest price of not participating in politics is being governed by your inferiors." Plato

First thing - by posting the anonymous response Vive has shown it is not \'less\' than the major media.

Second - the anonymous submitter makes zero case by supplying no route to what they believe is extremist, or what parts of Vive\'s mandate and postings dont meet their criteria for \'reality\'.

No media outlet or website fulfilling said role can be everything to everyone. That is simply impossible and Vive does not even begin to go there. With the open comments section even the anonymous submitter can make hay over what they dont agree with, but alas they have not. Until they do, how can Vive or anyone else take their side into account when its clear that the anonymous submitter has not outlined any contentions beyond platitudes.

Stay the course Vive, you are a welcome voice in the wilderness.

Roy

Thank you Dr Caleb and Roy. Roy, I agree, how can we get better or debate when someone posts a criticism and doesn\'t take the time to back up their point or even make it specific?

And credit where credit is due, your site (canadiandemocraticmovement.ca or CDM for those who haven\'t visited yet) is another important voice for Canadians and I\'m happy to publicize it as I can.

This site has right-wing, centrist and left-wing views posted daily.

I don\'t see that as extremist.

If the person who posted this submission has an opinion, let\'s hear it. That will make the site more interesting for everyone.





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"Arrogance in Politics is unacceptable"
Jim Callaghan
Minden, Ontario
705-286-1860
www.misterc.ca

All extremeists should be shot. No exceptions.


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"History does not repeat itself, but it does rhyme" Mark Twain
"The greatest price of not participating in politics is being governed by your inferiors." Plato

The only extreme point of view here is that we are extremely committed to saving Canada! The different points of view as to how to accomplish this feat, is where the free opinion is expressed. Seems to me that anyone wishing to express their opinion is welcome to do so, when people don\'t agree we are equally free to disagree.

That is something we are not seeing in main stream media, that is the main difference! Main stream media tells us what is news and what isn\'t, and how we should feel about it, at least on vive, we are free to contribute stories we think are newsworthy and comment about our feelings, and try to come up with solutions. I don\'t see that anywhere else.

Thanks Susan for posting this anony opinion, and thanks for the site!

Hello Susan,

Thanks for posting this. Its healthy for the site, in some strange way Wished this person would have explained his/her points instead of just negative opinion. Not much to respond to in this post.

Kevin Gagnon

Don`t take the loser`s post to heart, Susan! I`m thankful for this site! I`m sure the Nazi`s called their objectors extremist too! We merely object to the USA exerting their imperialistic bullying on Canada and other countries! Aside from that, I`m sure we are all enlightened enough to know that many Americans understand our cause here, because they too, are losing their country to right wing corporate fascist idiots!

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Dave Ruston

Ahh, the Ralph Klein \"black hole\" analogy. It works for this anonymouse about as well as it did for Klein. \"Pacman eat the jokester vive people up\".

I think it\'s pretty funny when good ol\' \'anonymous\' takes potshots - you see his short, crappy blurtings everywhere where there is a gleam of intelligent discourse. People who blurt this kind of trash whilst hiding in the shadows should just start posting as \'gutless\' instead, because that\'s what they are.

It\'s always the same inarticulate, tiresome, cheesy and repetitive crap that is so typical of the unimaginative, blindered right-wing, I-told-you-so windbags we seem to have more of than anybody else out here in Alberta.

Please, Canada, take note we\'re not all like that out here!

Trent, that anonymous person sure lights a fire under some posters. He often disregards keeping to the Socialist loving topics, and bashes everyone and everything. Nothing is safe. He\'s repetitive to a fault, sure. Maybe he\'s mentally ill from years of manipulative AmerioIsraeli propaganda? They say Bobby Fisher, the chess grandmaster, has the same problem. I look forward to reading more of your wit.

Secundo (you don\'t mind if I call you Secundo, do you?),my sixth grade homeroom teacher told us one day to stand up for what we believe in. I told him one day 30 years on how much trouble it has caused me, but I\'m still grateful for that nugget of wisdom and consider it to be sound to this day.

Maybe I\'m mentaly ill too, from having to listen to the mentaly ill for so long, ones who shout down anybody else without offering cogent arguments, or in many cases, any argument at all. Socialist loving topics lessee - that would be, I would deduce, anything the nameless disagree with, or refuse to talk or even think about. Left-leaning media: media that isn\'t narrow and far enough to the right for said nameless ones, which certainly points out their anomolous, out of balance-ness. There is no left-wing , independent mainstream media in Canada, I would know, I\'ve been looking for decades, so there\'s one strawman down for sure.

If it isn\'t from their pov, then it\'s Socialist, I gather. That\'s just totally uninformed. Stupid even. To demonstrate, \'socialists\' invaded Tibet and destroyed the culture there. I would imagine nobody on the right objects, or even cares, so I guess it comes down to symantics. Fer instance, I\'ve been called a commie by the terminally static, who, frustrated by my lack of sense in regard to embracing whatever they decided was normal, figured labelling me was an appropriate thing to do, I would guess so nobody else they knew would be tempted to invite me to their rumpus room cheap whiskey nights of subintellectual, wife-swapping bliss (isn\'t wife swapping a \'socialist\', liberal thing to do?). However, they were wrong about me - I\'m not a communist. In all situations like this I have found, there is always at least one other position one may take despite the black/white some would (anomymously sometimes) espouse as the only two options.

But, I digress; real \'socialists\' would never subdue or compromise another culture, would they? So who were they, the ones who destroyed Tibet, if not socialists? Not rightist idealogues - *they* would have just imposed \'democracy\' and a captialist trading system based in exploitation of ummm, everything they found there, and called it an improvement. So, if invaders of weren\'t \'socialists\' were they then fascisti?

So Secundo, in closing, what am I then that the cold Moon fosters, and the ardor of the Sun?

Answer me that, oh youth of instruction, that I may go forward from here in peace.

As for Bobby Fisher, maybe he should just go get some help. I\'m sure he can afford it.

Trent buddy, Back in his heyday Bobby Fisher knew a winning chess strategy better than anyone. Unfortunately, in the mid 1960\'s, he got himself a copy of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. His analysis was that the Protocols was a work of genius, whether it was written by czarists or marxists, jew or non jew, was immaterial. Bobby Fisher was absolutely blown away by the Zionist plan. As a chess strategist he knew it was bullet proof, that it could work, and that it would ultimately be successful. Trent, my friend, look around today. Is not the Protocols of the Elders of Zion exactly the way events have unfolded?

Whom the Gods Would Destroy, They First Make Mad.

Today Bobby Fisher has been diagnosed as bi-polar. He\'s actually quite normal, but he has the Protocols disease. He\'s been driven mad.