Gomery Inquiry Information

This is a great example of the integrity that Vive has. This site is not a place for secret babblings, or conspiracy theories, but a very intelligent gathering of ideas and ideals. I respect your decision not to reprint the article.

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Darren Olson
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"We shall be Canadians first, foremost, and always, and our policies will be decided in Canada and not dictated by any other country." - Diefe

"This site is not a place for secret babblings, or conspiracy theories, but a very intelligent gathering of ideas and ideals." Wrong! Check out the posts on "Vatican Scandals Don't Die With The Pope".

"Only the government can 'censor' free speech, and nethier Justice Gomrey nor ViveLeCanada.ca are the government." ...

Unless... Dr.C (for Censor), personally disagrees with your viewpoint.

Attention: sthompson

I would propose for objectivity's sake that the censorship of the site be accomplished by an objective outside party not engaged in a "left" or "right" agenda, but being merely "neutral". Perhaps following a set of guidelines established by an objective "panel". As opposed to operating independently. One that is interested in representing the presentation of truth, and a variety of viewpoints to the site's visitors. One that is interested in the betterment of Canada, and the promotion of ALL pro-Canadian ideals as opposed to the intimidation of Canadian visitors with perhaps conflicting views/sentiments. One that at least tolerates, if not possibly even promotes free dialogue. A free society and a free Canada would possibly desire such a thing. Unless I am wrong, and this site is in fact property of Dr. C (for Censor) for his personal use in the promotion of his own agenda. Maybe I was mistaken when I assumed this was a (more or less) "public" site for people who care about Canada to express their views and hopefully contribute to making Canada a better place to live for all of us. I will not return to this site again for fear of making "the moderators" (or should I say the moderator, Dr. C) "unhappy". There are other forums where a higher value is placed upon diversity. I am for Canada. But can no longer stomach purely "anti" droning without tolerance for objectivity, and thought provoking intercourse. There are plenty of drones within, to keep this happy worm turning inside it's cocoon. Goodbye.

There is no such thing as objectivity. Everyone has a point of view. Facts are facts, but it is in the interpretation of the meaning of those facts that can never be universally accepted. There is a crack in every theory.

we could approximate objectivity - if only we had the facts. I'm going elsewhere. It's not like half of the potential juror pool is reading this site anyway. Media coverage will have no effect on the juror pool.

And yet, if it were a corporation breaking the law, Anon's would be screaming the loudest. How can Vive act but with respect to Canadian law?


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"If you must kill a man, it costs you nothing to be polite about it." Winston Churchill

I think vive is right to uphold the letter of the law.It is respect for that judgement. However, people are very suspicious of authority, so at some point it all has to come out so that the general public can decide what they think. Individual bloggers can decide for themselves what they want to do, but this is a forum for discussion and hence not just the personal opinion of the people who started it. If Vive let everyone say and tell what the blogs are saying, then it loses some of its credibility as a forum. I went to the blogs and quite frankly they are just ranting. It is not credible yet. It is gossip. It is mostly right wing posturing and gleeful anticipation. Perhaps their stuff is true, perhaps they have interpreted the facts from a certain perspective. The men who are facing criminal charges have rights too. That is why we have a charter of rights, so the mob does not rule.

Dr C you are 100% correct on this, when the ban is lifted we will get plenty of spin. As for anon comments regarding vive's censorship, Dr C is not the only moderator, nor is he the board. There are several members on the board, which helps to decide how to make vive, open, fair, and not hatefilled.

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If I stand for my country today...will my country be here to stand for me tomorrow?

The law is 20 years behind technology. Sure, Brault has a right to a fair trial, but the reasonings for this ban are ludicrous. The issue of the juror pool is pointless because the entire province of Quebec is likely furious over this as it is - independent of the "explosive" testimony. It will still be possible to find untainted jurors regardless of whether a blog links to a site. That one cannot find out info regarding a public hearing is a travesty.

<a href="http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/charter/">http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/charter/</a><br />
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It's a tradeoff between this:<br />
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11. Any person charged with an offence has the right<br />
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a) to be informed without unreasonable delay of the specific offence; <br />
b) to be tried within a reasonable time; <br />
c) not to be compelled to be a witness in proceedings against that person in respect of the offence; <br />
d) to be presumed innocent until proven guilty according to law in a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal; <br />
e) not to be denied reasonable bail without just cause; <br />
f) except in the case of an offence under military law tried before a military tribunal, to the benefit of trial by jury where the maximum punishment for the offence is imprisonment for five years or a more severe punishment; <br />
g) not to be found guilty on account of any act or omission unless, at the time of the act or omission, it constituted an offence under Canadian or international law or was criminal according to the general principles of law recognized by the community of nations; <br />
h) if finally acquitted of the offence, not to be tried for it again and, if finally found guilty and punished for the offence, not to be tried or punished for it again; and <br />
i) if found guilty of the offence and if the punishment for the offence has been varied between the time of commission and the time of sentencing, to the benefit of the lesser punishment.<br />
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AND THIS:<br />
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Guarantee of Rights and Freedoms<br />
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Rights and freedoms in Canada 1. The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees the rights and freedoms set out in it subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society.<br />
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Fundamental Freedoms <br />
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Fundamental freedoms 2. Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms: <br />
a) freedom of conscience and religion; <br />
b) freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication; <br />
c) freedom of peaceful assembly; and <br />
d) freedom of association. <br />

you don't have a clue how the law works. It's not about justice, it's about JUST US. The law serves the snivelling inbred courtiers, (base word = court)

Only one name needs to be remembered when discussing the Canadian judicial system: Ernst Zundel.

And as far as Judicial commissions, or Enquiries, or whatever sugar coating you put on, they serve as tax grubbing circle jerks to keep lawyers, judges and media busy, while the real crimes and criminals go unmentioned and off, scott free. Just look at the 911 Commission in the good ol' US of A

F*cxk, the world is just so screwed up. No tears left, only hysterical laughter,.. LOL LOL lOL

Wow.
Reading the transcripts freely available and published by various U.S outlets,if there was an election tomorrow, there might be one or two Liberals elected in Quebec.
The ban has absolutly nothing to do with protecting the rights of the witnesses and the possible criminal prosecutions, but could certainly bring about the absolute defeat of the current government.
I realize that content is restricted by the the Liberal police force so I will not mention any aspects, other than to say, most Canadians will be absolutely shocked to know where some of the money went.


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Politicians are like diapers, they need to be changed regularly, and for the same reason.

The govenrment didn't censor this board. This board censors itself. Don't blame the goverment, Vive is the censor.