Poverty In Canada

Posted on Sunday, November 30 at 10:15 by sthompson
The major objection from the Neanderthals of the far right to the figures Campaign 2000 uses is that they are based on Statistic Canada's Low Income Cutoffs. O.K., let's go with them on this and instead turn to the most common of all poverty measurements, the one employed by the OECD, the United Nations and the EU countries, that is the percentages of the population living below 50% of median income. Now let's turn to the latest Human Development Report (2003) from the United Nations. Following are the figures for the period 1990 to 2000, that is the percentage of the population living below the income poverty line (includes all forms of income). Slovakia 2.1% Luxembourg 3.9% Czech Republic 4.9% Finland 5.4% Sweden 6.6% Hungary 6.7% Norway 6.9% Germany 7.5% Belgium 8.0% France 8.0% Netherlands 8.1% Slovenia 8.2% Poland 8.6% Denmark 9.2% Switzerland 9.3% Spain 10.1% Austria 10.6% Japan 11.8% Ireland 12.3% United Kingdom 12.5% Estonia 12.3% CANADA 12.8% Israel 13.5% Italy 14.2% Australia 14.3% United States 17% So, there we are, in a list of 26 "High Human Development Countries", Canada is way down in 22nd place. It's been interesting to note how, in their attacks against Campaign 2000's latest reports, the anti-poor have chosen to ignore the new Market Basket measure of poverty, years in development, which puts the poverty rate in Canada at 13.1% One last point. If it wasn't so sad, it would be highly amusing to compare the OFFICIAL poverty rates in the U.S.A. with reality. The U.S. measurement of poverty is so out of date, so ludicrous at 12.4% that no one except Americans and our own radical right pays attention when Washington publishes its annual poverty report. One recent OECD report said that among OECD countries only Mexico at 26.2% had a higher child poverty rate than the U.S. at 23.2% (Canada was at 14.2%). Mel Hurtig

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  1. Sun Nov 30, 2003 9:19 pm
    And once again, I have to point out, that in Canada, the USA, and Mexico, as well as many other countries, the ultra rich are getting insanely richer, while the middle class and the poor are getting poorer! We won`t change this until we recognize that there is something very wrong with this! Capitalism MUST be governed, and not do the governing! Sad to say, but the politics of exclusion, will inevitably lead to the politics of explosion!!!

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    Dave Ruston

  2. Mon Dec 01, 2003 12:18 am
    Canada in 22nd place, and the U.S. in 26th place.

    That just about says it all. At least we are better off than Argentina, which is close to 50%, compared to Canada\'s 12%, but let\'s not forget which country helped them get that way. Take a guess which country that was, they are due south of us.

    Poverty in any country is disturbing, when one sees the wealth in certain segments of society.

    Prying it free is the problem. When a Thompson heiress is suing for millions due to the fact that 2 small urns aren\'t as old as reported, what does that say about the idle rich ??

    Art is nice, but it\'s hard to eat or drink. Nice to look at, though. I guess.



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  3. Mon Dec 01, 2003 5:12 am
    Measuring poverty is a tricky business. It lends itself easily to
    misinterpretation. A poverty indicator of 50% of the mean income tells
    you nothing about the actual level of poverty. It tells you something
    about the shape of the income distribution curve but nothing absolute
    about the hardship.

    I think you know that though. When you write stuff like this article you
    damage your credibility and make it easy for people to dismiss the real
    issues with the rhetoric.

    This is no better than some of the bias coming out of the Fraser
    Institute!

  4. Mon Dec 01, 2003 5:35 pm
    ...and with Luxembourg's 3.9%, that works out to, what, 11 people?<p> <p>---<br>"History does not repeat itself, but it does rhyme" Mark Twain

  5. Mon Dec 01, 2003 6:19 pm
    I am amazed how those former communist countries are on the top.

  6. Mon Dec 01, 2003 7:02 pm
    Measuring poverty is not difficult at all! Just take a look around! Nobody here is inflating anything, the truth is, the rich are getting richer, and the poor are getting poorer! We`re back to the days of MacKenzie and Papineau, who rebelled because the oligarchy, which was based mostly on nepotism, prevented many people from sharing in the riches of this country. Thing is, because of technology and the selective efficiency of our current system, it is much harder today to start with nothing, and end up living a baby boom like middle class life, let alone getting rich! This is especially true if you have no help, or don`t know anyone to pull strings for you.

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    Dave Ruston

  7. Tue Dec 02, 2003 12:24 am
    Carol Goar of the <i>Toronto Star</i> calls Martin to task and suggests the many ways that he could begin living up to his promise of reducing poverty in Canada. <p> See: <a href="http://www.thestar.ca/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1070061304883&call_page=TS_EditorialOpinion&call_pageid=968256290204&call_pagepath=Editorial/Opinion&pubid=968163964505&StarSource=email">A society based on equality</a>

  8. Tue Dec 02, 2003 2:07 am
    They are on top because there is only a small gap between rich and poor.
    That number doesn\'t measure poverty at all unless you define poverty as
    an income relative to the rich members of the nation. That number bears
    almost no relation to your ability to put food on the table or accumulate
    material wealth.

    Just ask yourself if you would rather be \"poor\" in Canada or Slovakia?
    Norway or Hungary?

  9. Wed Dec 03, 2003 7:44 am
    Gee is she allowed to write like that in the Toronto Star? Sounds like she is going to take Martin to task on his promises, we\'ll see if she writes like this after he is Prime Minister?

  10. Thu Dec 04, 2003 3:39 am
    Mel has a video from his Ryerson Speech which you can send for, I think it will be a very interesting tool, to help spread the word. Surprised it wasn\'t on the site, so I\'m posting it here, the video and/or VCD can be ordered directly from John at johnr@pathcom.com

    Apparently he is charging a very reasonable rate,(I think so, $17.50 for video including postage) and contributing a portion of the proceeds to Vivelecanada and Mel is not profiting from it at all.



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