"The only place that a climate change science consensus exists is in what Essex and McKitrick call 'Official Science', the collective voice of governments and other so-called 'science authorities'. But this is not real science."
The Climate Change Deniers have money and powerful connections they have used to discredit their opponents, in this case other scientists and academics. And sometimes do so to end careers, literally terrifying their opponents into silence. Certainly a form of fascism.
The Fraser Institutes response to the IPCC report was a long time in the making, and a coordinated effort between them and the anti-climate change lobby, the flat earthers, in the U.S., UK, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and Europe. And the organizations, front groups really, are all interconnected.
It was planned years ago, as new front organizations sprung up over the past three years in preparation for the IPCC report. While the Fraser Institute like its American counter-part the Cato Institute have existed since the seventies, groups like Canada's Natural Resources Stewardship Project, and the New Zealand Climate Science Coalition are all relatively new lobbying groups. Even the older Friends of Science. was only created in 2002.
The push was on by the right and their big business backers when they saw the writing on the wall after Kyoto was signed. One faction of capitalism endorsed Kyoto, another was ambivalent, and a handful, but a powerful handful, vehmently opposed Kyoto.
Having lost the war they now engage in a protracted series of battles to attempt to inundate doubt in the public mind, using fronts like Junk Science.com and Fox News, various assorted right-wing media mouthpieces in Canada, Europe and America. They know they have lost, but if in anyway they can hold back radical changes required to deal with the heat death of the planet, to save their industries they will. Victory to them is to delay change.
Read the whole article here;
http://plawiuk.blogspot.com/2007/02/groupthink.html
[Proofreader's note: this article was edited for spelling and typos on February 9, 2007]
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Expect little from life and get more from it.
Me too! and to a lot more
My time here on Vive is winding down.
I've made no contribution and a lot of people have become less than pleased with my approach, for which I make no apologies.
Feb 2 marked the day where it became obvious the tipping point had passed on the enviroment and
so who cares? enough in positions of power to implement the changes required?
Hardly
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[juris ignorantia est cum jus nostrum ignoramus]
it is ignorance of the law when we do not know our own rights"
lex ferenda
Hardly <<
I'm tired of people jumping on the bandwagon only now. I don't expect the government to turn off the lights I'm not using or shut off my car when it's sits idleing. People themselves have to change and flying a new banner just don't cut it. Today it's global warming and tomorrow it's something else. When will people see that the light is dimming and do something about it themselves? Sheep just baaing. Listining to CBC radio taday I actualy heard a caller demanding the government set guidlines for people to follow. Just how stupid are people getting? Absolutely no common sense.
My time here on Vive is winding down<<
I too had wondered how much I achieve but putting my thoughts down here. At most it's the opportunity to vent and also to see if I am the only one thinking the same, or not. I certainly would miss your words of wisdom.
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Expect little from life and get more from it.
We did not get to where we are now because of the average citizen. The common man did not demand a suburbian house, a car of his own, a consumer lifestyle, Wal-Mart.
The common man was quite happy thank you very much, for a long time, before the age of mass consumerism and media bombardment and social conditioning.
No, it was big business, capitalism, and social conditioning that led us this way, and please do not start bleating 'conspiracy theory', the media invented term to discourage rational objection and discussion.
Big business and Government drove to our house, picked us up in the limo, and took us all out on an all night bender, sky's the limit, drink and eat and smoke till you puke. Now we are all waking up with a wicked hangover, and gov and big bus have conveniently skipped town, leaving us with the bill.
We can re-educate, socially engineer, market, and mind-control our populations back to reality and a substainable living, just the same way we got them out of it. And it is government and industries RESPONSIBILITY to do so. They lead the way, and using their lovely invention mass media, they TELL the people what is right and correct and proper all over again.
This message has already started. And to a certain extent yes, you CAN change everything from the ground up, IF people are willing to stand up and elect only parties that enforce environmental law, end subsidies big oil, ect...
And by insisting on environmental standards in your purchasing power. Do NOT go to Wal-Mart, they are selling you crap from China manufactured in appalling conditions by chinese slave children. BUY LOCALLY. BUY QUALITY. RIDE THE FRIKKEN BUS!!!!
But the government has a job. And that is LEADERSHIP. They lead the way, they demonstrate good standards, reward it, punish bad behavior.
Industry is market driven, but they too must lead, for only they have the financial capability to make mass change happen and commit to new technology.
We used to HAVE light electric rail. We used to HAVE small substainable comunities that were built around light electric rail. Car companies and bus companies bought them up and built roads on the track lines. Those same companies, or new, enterprising leaders, need to re-invest in those old values.
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“The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous, the essential act of warfare is the destruction of the produce of human labour”
I've debated how much venting in here is worth. There's more productive things I could be doing I'm sure of that, but don't forget how you found this place. For myself, without reading Vive and other forums and blogs, I would not have known about a great deal of things which have helped me to understand what's going on in this mad house we live in.
Our biggest contribution is to those who stumble upon this place who get to find out what's really going on. The biggest problem to solve is turning the masses away from the propaganda so that they can finally see that there's alternate points of view to consider.
So please keep on making contributions, even if you don't do it as often.
It just wouldn't be the same without you (*sniff!*)
you make me cry and I'll hunt you down and gut you like a fish!
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“The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous, the essential act of warfare is the destruction of the produce of human labour”
It was only when the cost of power went up that most began to take head. Same as the 1980s. People still drive excessively, leave the lights on and demand more power at less cost. I drive for a living and come to the conclusion that I am the only one buying the fuel. Drivers set their cruise control at a minimum of 10K over the speed limit. They leave the car running while having a chat or worse when they run into a building "just for a minute". Who uses an outdoor cloths line anymore? Some municipalities outright ban them because people complain that they are unsightly. Why are people heating the house at a nice and toasty temperature when they are away?
There are so many common sence solutions that a person could write a book about. Few would read the book and instead demand the government spend the money on guidlines.
No one told the consumer to go to Wal-mart. The Home-depot and Wall-mart was built recently in my area. They were built when unemployment was very high. Line ups for the jobs were unprecedented. The two stores are doing well even now wih employment being better. The small local stores can't compete but never hire many staff as it were.
Personally, I shop at neither but that is only because I don't like searching and standing in line ups. I too would have applied for work there if I needed the job. It only takes common sense to save the world from global warming. It seems so few people have that ability and we are in dire straits because of it. The very first step is at home and without someone holding your hand.
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Expect little from life and get more from it.
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Expect little from life and get more from it.
Rearguard, I'm proof of that point. If contributors hadn't been here when I stumbled in dissatisfied with a MSM that wasn't making sense to me, I'd still be clueless rather than slighly clued in. Out of my depth since I stumbled in, I've been in a lurk and learn mode for the most part.
Don't gut me Sgt. for getting sentimental, but I need to send a big thank you to all the regular Vive posters and contributors here who do contribute so much, have lots to offer, and do so freely. Thanks to Dr. C for same said gifts of time and patience.
The issue of how use your time effectively, and value of time spent on vive is a personal call, and one I have been tossing around. I've opted to balance my sponge mode here with efforts to pass the alternative POV on in small ways like letters to the editor in my local here. Dr. Caleb outlined in a recent post that regular readers here get to know who has what pet subject they tend to focus on and nurture, and as a whole the contributions create something that compliments what the parts might acheive individually, and so time here, is not entirely in vain.