Julian Calls For End To Deep Integration Talks With Bush Administration

Posted on Friday, September 02 at 11:10 by sthompson
On August 10, a NAFTA panel ruled in favour of Canada on softwood lumber, however, the Bush Administration announced that it would not accept the ruling, despite an obligation to do so under NAFTA. Yesterday, a WTO panel decision was taken by the Bush Administration as reinforcing their stand “The WTO panel decision was limited to injury. The vital point is whether American countervailing duties are legal. The WTO found in 2002 that they were not and that 2002 panel decision still stands. Why isn’t the international trade minister not explaining this to Canadians?” Said Julian NDP leader Jack Layton has called for Canada to indicate a willingness to link oil exports to softwood to underline the importance of the issue, and called for Parliament return early to deal with the crisis. "Canadian interests won’t be served by a government that refuses to defend Canadian interests, and instead pursues even deeper integration with an administration we know doesn’t play by the rules,” said Julian. “Instead of continuing to undermine Canadian sovereignty through deep integration, it’s time the government defended it against a Bush Administration that refuses to play by the rules.” 30- For More Information: Henri Sader (613) 992-4215 ***************************************************************************************** POUR DIFFUSION IMMÉDIATE LE 31 AOÛT 2005 LE DÉPUTÉ JULIAN RÉCLAME LA SUSPENSION DES DISCUSSIONS SUR « L’INTÉGRATION CONTINENTALE » AVEC LE GOUVERNEMENT BUSH Burnaby (C.-B.) -- Le porte-parole du NPD en matière de commerce, le député Peter Julian, a demandé aujourd’hui au premier ministre Paul Martin de se retirer de tout pourparler sur l’harmonisation de la réglementation et de l’intégration militaire, connue sous l’intégration continentale (ou profonde) avec les États-Unis, en raison du conflit sur le bois d’oeuvre. « L’ALÉNA n’a pas été respecté et le Canada est saigné de 4 millions $ par jour en droits compensatoires. Malgré cela, le gouvernement Martin continue de discuter avec le gouvernement Bush comme si de rien n’était, a déclaré Peter Julian. C’est à cause de l’inaction du gouvernement que cette crise continue de s’amplifier. « Les Canadiens ont droit à des explications quand l’ALÉNA ne fonctionne et n’est pas respecté, quand le gouvernement Martin est prêt à donner d’autres morceaux du Canada aux Américains en discutant d’intégration continentale, » a soutenu le député Julian. Le 10 août dernier, un tribunal de l’ALÉNA a rendu une décision en faveur du Canada relativement au bois d’oeuvre. Toutefois, l’administration Bush a annoncé qu’elle n’acceptait pas cette décision, malgré l’obligation de s’y plier en vertu de l’ALÉNA. « La décision de ce tribunal se limitait aux dommages. Le point essentiel est de déterminer si les droits compensatoires imposés par les Américains sont légaux. L’Organisation mondiale du commerce avait déjà statué en 2002 qu’ils ne l’étaient pas et ce jugement est toujours valide aujourd’hui. Alors pourquoi le ministre du Commerce international ne l’explique pas aux Canadiens? » Le chef du NPD, Jack Layton, a demandé que le Canada indique son intention de relier l’exportation de pétrole au dossier du bois d’oeuvre afin de souligner l’importance de cette question et rappelle le Parlement pour remédier à cette crise. « Les intérêts des Canadiens ne seront pas servis par un gouvernement qui refuse de les défendre et qui cherche à intégrer davantage le Canada à une administration américaine qui ne veut pas se plier aux règles, a soutenu Peter Julian. Au lieu de continuer à effriter la souveraineté canadienne par l’intégration profonde, il serait temps que le gouvernement canadien défende sa souveraineté contre un gouvernement américain qui refuse d’observer les règles. » -30- Pour plus de renseignements, veuillez communiquer avec : Henri Sader : (613) 992-4215 [Proofreader's note: this article was edited for spelling and typos on September 5, 2005]

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  1. Fri Sep 02, 2005 8:13 pm
    Yesterday Ambassador Wilkins was giving a press conference and basically refused to say that Paul Martin was politicizing the softwood problem by talking about a trade war. He only did so because he said his "don't get emotional" statement got him too much bad press.

    Wilkins thinks we need to get back to the negotiating table and come to some agreement. Nobody from the press asked and what would that negotiation consist of? What would the final draft look like Mr. Ambassador? If 20 years of WTO "yes", NAFTA "no", and again WTO well okay I guess it's "no" hasen't solved any problems then all I can see that will solve the problem is Canadian citizens actually giving up their public lands and the trees standing on it. That in my mind is the only thing the US will accept. That is what they are driving at. If we cannot find another way to do business with this buyer then look for another buyer. The trade war is just shooting innocent bystanders in my opinion.

    We don't just need an end to deep integration, we need an end to NAFTA, IMF, WTO, NATO, NORAD, all the bullshit agreements that we sign onto just so we can do business to a tune so high in pitch that half the world has to die so that we can sustain it.

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  2. Sat Sep 03, 2005 1:42 am
    Well finally! Jack is taking a stand! But rather than tie our softwood to energy, although that might help this issue, we need to abrogate NAFTA if we want a soveriegn nation in all matters; and especially to protect our energy, call it the National Protect our Energy Program if you want! They certainly have one, and so does Mexico, only Canada would be so foolish as to allow this garbage!

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    If I stand for my country today...will my country be here to stand for me tomorrow?

  3. Sat Sep 03, 2005 2:24 am
    Being humble does not mean cheap. Canada has always been the soft touch because we never ever stand up for our rights. Even when Canada wins, it still loses. What victory did Canada win when NAFTA ruled in our favour? The right to be humble and grumble.

  4. Sat Sep 03, 2005 2:31 am
    Catherine, here we are a oil wealthy nation , and the industry and the "governing parties" in Canada are putting the screws to us.
    While the OPEC nations enjoy low gas prices at their nations pumps,we suffer. These OPEC nations too sell oil to the Yanks, so why aren't the Saudi's or the government of Kewait skinning their people with high gas prices? Maybe we " Canada " should join OPEC, at least they do not rob their citizens at the pumps.

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  5. Sat Sep 03, 2005 3:42 am
    Wayne that is an interesting question, which I don't know the answer to, but I will do some research into in, because you make some valid points, and it causes me to wonder.<br />
    From their website: <br />
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    OPEC Fund at a Glance<br />
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    Children<br />
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    The OPEC Fund for International Development (the Fund) is an intergovernmental development finance institution established in 1976 by the member states of the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries. The Fund was conceived at the Conference of the Sovereigns and Heads of State of OPEC member countries, which was held in Algiers, Algeria, in March 1975. A Solemn Declaration of the Conference "reaffirmed the natural solidarity which unites OPEC countries with other developing countries in their struggle to overcome underdevelopment," and called for measures to strengthen cooperation between these countries. » See Agreement Establishing the OPEC Fund for International Development.<br />
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    The Aims<br />
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    To promote cooperation between OPEC member countries and other developing countries as an expression of South-South solidarity. To help particularly the poorer, low-income countries in pursuit of their social and economic advancement.<br />
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    The Means<br />
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    * By extending concessionary financial assistance in the form of loans for development projects and programs and for balance of payments support<br />
    * By providing grants in support of technical assistance, food aid, research and similar activities, and humanitarian emergency relief<br />
    * By contributing to the resources of other development institutions whose work benefits developing countries<br />
    * By serving OPEC member countries as an agent in the international financial arena whenever collective action is deemed appropriate<br />
    * By participating in the financing of private sector activities in developing countries.<br />
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    *<br />
    * » Commitments 2004<br />
    * » Agreement Establishing the Fund<br />
    * » OPEC Website<br />
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    The Resources<br />
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    The Fund's resources consist of voluntary contributions made by OPEC member countries and the accumulated reserves derived from its various operations. At the close of the year 2004, contributions pledged by member countries totaled $3,435 million, out of which $2,443 million was direct contributions to the OPEC Fund. The Reserve Account stood at $2,249 million.<br />
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    Of course there is plenty more to read on the site; but worth exploring, since it obviously isn't working this way. Maybe someone else here knows why we aren't a member, and neither is the U.S.?<br />
    <a href="http://www.opecfund.org/about/about.aspx">http://www.opecfund.org/about/about.aspx</a><p>---<br>If I stand for my country today...will my country be here to stand for me tomorrow?

  6. Sat Sep 03, 2005 4:18 am
    <p>One example of a NAFTA ruling in Canada’s favour was the preservation of tariffs on imported “supply management” commodities — viz poultry, eggs, dairy products, and margarine.</p><p>---<br>Shatter your ideals upon the rock of Truth.<br />
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    — The Divine Symphony, by Inayat Khan<br />

  7. Sat Sep 03, 2005 4:38 am
    <p>As OPEC stands for <i>Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries</i>, it should be reasonably clear why the USA isn’t a member. As for why Canada isn’t a member, one should note the prerequisites for membership from Article 7, paragraph C of the <a href="http://www.opec.org/library/Opec%20Statute/pdf/OS.pdf">OPEC Statute</a> (a PDF document):</p> <blockquote>Any other country with a substantial net export of crude petroleum, which has fundamentally similar interests to those of Member Countries, may become a Full Member of the Organization, if accepted by a majority of three-fourths of Full Members, including the concurrent vote of all Founder Members.</blockquote> <p>Note that the founding members of OPEC are Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, and Venezuela; this might be one reason for continued American attention on these nations.</p><p>---<br>Shatter your ideals upon the rock of Truth.<br />
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    — The Divine Symphony, by Inayat Khan<br />

  8. Sat Sep 03, 2005 4:52 am
    So, when the USA enacts a retalitory tariff against Canadian poultry, eggs, and dairy products, you'll be fine with that?

    Tell it to the Ontario poultry, egg, and dairy exporters.

  9. Sat Sep 03, 2005 4:35 pm
    Julian is right to worry about deep integration. The US society has a thin crust of cohesion and when it is broken the rule of every man for himself takes over. A society based upon the individual fear of losing everything you have creates a weak society. This is the national character our business leaders are promoting- "less government and more choice" means more fear and less freedom for most Canadians. A strong nation state with sufficient social safety nets for all its people provides strength in depth against calamity because the qualities which make a strong family also make a strong civilized society. Katrina has become a lesson for all nations in this regard.

  10. Sat Sep 03, 2005 7:58 pm
    The USA is hardly a "nation state".

    But a Nation of States, yes. Each State has its own identity. Louisiana, in particular, has been widely known for its corrupt politics. It has a long history of "it's own way of doing things", which dates back to its French colonial heritage.

    There are 49 other States in the American Nation.

    CanaFuckingDuh, on the other hand, has no identity at all, beyond hatred of America.

    Eh.

  11. Sun Sep 04, 2005 2:12 am
    Kuwait City $.68 , Cairo $.59 , Caracas Venezuela $.12 , Saudi Arabia $.92 . Do your math and break those numbers down to liters, man we are getting skinned and Saudi Arabia ,Caracas Venezuela and Kuwait are all members of OPEC too.
    My point is these oil rich countries are giving their citizens a break on this resource, even though they sell to the USA. Canada could do the same, maybe this is something a political party could put in their election platform and really follow up on it should they get elected.
    Lets face it is Canada our country or does it belong to the Americans, lets have some action.

    Here we are for the love of Christ living in a Northern Climate and wealthy with oil, and many citizens of Canada will have to decide this winter between , food , medication or heat, could it be the policy of Ottawa to freeze us to death? Come on people we have a humanitarian situation developing right here in Canada. This winter senior citizen and the working poor middle class will be forced into poverty because of greed.

    When you see harden countries who are accused of humanitarian acts of abuse like...Kuwait , Cairo Venezuela, Saudi Arabia and Iraq selling a vital product to their citizens and these low prices per gallon, one must start to wonder are we electing the wrong people to run this country?

    I do not care what agreement we have with the United States, there comes a time when "government" must take a stand on behalf of its people and make sure that they are receiving the benefit of "their" resource.

    What is taking place right now with respect to high gas prices here in Canada, is we Canadian are linning the pockets of the big American oil companies shareholders. It is time that Canadian "government" for what it is worth in its present form start working for all of its citizens.

    The Martin family shipping line has done very well, because Paul placed himself in some very strong political partnership, some say Paul Martin does not need this job as Prime Minister, wrong, he and his family are what they are because of politics and the longer he sits in power, the more power and conection he and his family maintain.

    All Prime Ministers have benefitted from that political position, its a position of power and that position has always served the elite very well. If you want to get ahead in Canada I was once told , you have to buy yourself a politican... and you know I think that is a fact.

    But come on people lets get with it and elect people who will help us win back our country and our oil.

    SOMETHING STINKS


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  12. Sun Sep 04, 2005 8:03 am
    Aw<a href="http://www...sniff">www...sniff</a>* My fellow American is still jealous of Canada.<br />
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    There are hundreds , and will be thousands of Canadians in the hurricane areas helping Americans in the next week, while you sit at your keyboard spewing hate.<br />
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    Come on down here and help , or are these Canadians more American than you'll ever hope to be?<br />
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  13. Sun Sep 04, 2005 1:41 pm
    Who is spewing hate, the truth hurts doesn't it. Maybe American should go back into those countries you destroyed and pay them back for all of the destruction. Maybe America should stay to hell home and look after your own dam problems.

    I just cannot find it in my heart to get to emotional over this GOD made disaster. Lets face it, if insurance companies can use the excuse to not want to get involved in these God made disaster,just to avoid helping these poor soles, then it has to be ok. You can bet that the insurance industry will make sure the elite get back on their feet, but not the weak.

    Now, it does upset me to hear about some asshole leader ordering the bombing of innocent citizens and yes that includes the twin towers. The only winner in these wars is Lockheed Martin , General Electric and companies who use the word fear to generate an economy.

    God on the other hand and all good Christians can look upon these acts of God as cleansing of the earth,this is how I see it. If a natural disaster wipes out hundreds of thousands of people, that is just God fixing a mess.(SAD BUT TRUE).
    Now on the other had when we read about hundreds of thousand of Blacks in Rowanda being slaughtered or people in Sudan dying from hungar and we sit back / the United Nations sits back then we have a world wide murder. Myself being a believer in God, feels that GOD is sending us a message, he is saying "you silly people better wake up, your destroying my earth, your killing my enviornment and I am getting pissed off.
    STOP THE FRIGGING POLLUTION, IF YOU DON'T THERE WILL BE MORE DISASTERS. JUST ASK PAT ROBERTSON THAT GOOD OLD SOUTHERN BIBLE POUNDER, HE IS CLOSE TO GOD, ISN't HE ? PAT IS A LIVING EXAMPLE OF A GOOD OLD AMERICAN CHRISTIAN AND THAT IS THE TRUTH, SPEND IT WISELY !



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  14. Sun Sep 04, 2005 4:32 pm
    I think that one thing we should watch out for in Canada, is the 'new fix'. NAFTA was supposedly put in place to help fix all the little trade and tarrif issues. Those trade and tarrif issues had been strategically put in place over a few years, in order to 'sell' the NAFTA plan to the people. Now we have a new set of problems, and everyone is looking for the 'solution'. I strongly believe that the Deep Integration plan is being touted as the savior for the trade disputes currently happening, ie. softwood lumber. It's a very commonplace government tactic. Everytime they propose an increase in tax, or a hike in utility rates, they come onto the scene with an inflated number. They will propose a 10% hike, and when the public cries fowl, they will reduce it to 5% hike... basically getting what they wanted in the first place.

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    "We shall be Canadians first, foremost, and always, and our policies will be decided in Canada and not dictated by any other country." - Diefe



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