Where Do We Go From Here

Posted on Wednesday, January 18 at 11:12 by Sebastian Anders
In a Senate document entitled: "Development and Vitality of the Francophone and Acadian Communities: A Fundamental Obligation for Canada", by the late Senator Jean-Maurice Simard, there is a frequent reference to section 23 of the Charter of Rights, which is in reference to education in English or in French, depending on which is the minority language of the province of residence. This is the clause that has permitted the French community to make great gains across the country, because the Charter gives them the right to do so. As for the rights of the English-speaking citizens of Canada, they exist on paper, but there is no one at any level of government with the courage or the fortitude to stand up for those rights, for fear of being labelled anti French. Although education is a matter of provincial jurisdiction, Trudeau's Charter obliges the provinces to provide education in the minority language, "Where Numbers Warrant". For the French, however, Where Numbers Warrant could mean whatever they want it to mean. But in Quebec, " ...According to section 59 of the Constitution Act, 1982, the right of persons whose first language is English, who wish to have their children receive English-language instruction, does not apply in Quebec until permitted by the legislative assembly or government of Quebec... " So there, again, English-speaking Canadians have no rights, in spite of the Charter's guarantee and protection. It is left up to the magnanimity of the province whereas in other provinces, the Charter rules. Recently, I read the transcript of a Senate Committee debate on the above Senate document. One of the speakers was none other than Jean Poirier, president of ACFO Ontario, the "Pit Bull" as he was referred to when I was invited to debate with him on a Hull Radio Talk Show last October. When he spoke to the Senate Committee, Mr. Poirier repeatedly referred to people like me, Canadians for Language Fairness, Language Fairness National, and English Language Advocates, Association for the Preservation of English in Canada (now defunct), and all other English rights Groups or individuals as "pyromaniacs". He was frustrated, exasperated and angry at having to "put out the fires" that the "English Language Rights Advocates" were setting by speaking up for their rights, which he understood to be nothing else but attempts at denying French-speaking Canadians theirs. Mr. Poirier does not consider himself to be "... just a bilingual person, but rather a 'Francophone' bilingual person who has the right to live in his language in every aspect of Canadian society anywhere in Canada". In other words, he expects to be able to work, be served, attended to and spoken to in French everywhere and anywhere in Canada (outside Quebec). It is offensive to him to have to speak or hear English. He remembered the horrible hardships he had to endure as a Liberal MPP in Queens' Park in Toronto, having to communicate in that horrible language - English. Then he pleaded with the Senate Committee to please reinstate the funding for his organisation because it owed months of back pay to his staff, making it impossible to be effectively defending the rights of the French-speaking community "outside Quebec". Although he occasionally made token references to the rights of English-speaking Canadians, inside and outside Quebec, his demands and those of every French rights activists that I have encountered, indicate to me a complete and total lack of reasoning ability. Logic does not seem to be part of the French psyche. On the one hand they rhetorically speak of the rights of English-speaking Canadians, but on the other, they want everything in French, everywhere. My feeling is that he and others like him have seen too much Star Trek or Outer Limits fantasies where people live in parallel universes, but are completely unaware of each other's existence. For all levels of Canadian governments, from the municipal to the federal, to grant the French what they want, that is, that they be able to live in French anywhere in Canada, would require that everyone speak French, which means that speaking English would become illegal. This is more or less the process that is taking place under the Dyane Adam's Trudeauesque French Language Policies. The alternative would be for everything in Canada to be duplicated, like the labels on the supermarket shelves. This would mean, every city, province and federal governments would have to be in duplicate: one parliament for the French and one for the English and so on down the chain. Every company, enterprise, convenience store, doctor's office, contractor, municipal, provincial and national parks and kindergarten, etc, would have to be in duplicate. Sounds fair to me. Doesn’t it? On the other hand, it might be a little difficult to achieve, don't you think? Meanwhile, in the above-mentioned document, Senator Simard, through his interlocutor, Mr. Pierre LeBlanc, (President, PRAXIS Management Consultants), demands reparation of six hundred million dollars for the hardships and injustices perpetrated upon the French for centuries by the English. In answer to a Question from Bloc MP Louis Plamondon, Pierre LeBlanc replied: "... If we are forced to go to court, it will not be an intelligent way of proceeding. That is not what we want. What we want are political decisions recognizing that people were harmed, that the community was systematically weakened in the past and that compensation must be granted.... When I talked about a compensation fund, I was not talking about the funding of policies for community groups etc. I was talking about the federal government's responsibility to provide compensation for the wrongs and the omissions of the past. ...” Sound familiar? Sounds like the same old - same old to me. The Rest of Canada works its ass off and the French reap the benefit. All they have to do is cry discrimination, injustice, French rights or English bully. Follow the money and there you will find the French with their pockets wide open to be filled with the blood, sweat and tears of the hard working, fiscally responsible Canadians from across the country, outside Quebec. Canadians are too busy trying to live their lives and provide for their families. They have better things to do than spend their time whining about which language is in their alphabet soup. Regardless of what Trudeau and his cohorts wrote in the so-called Charter of Rights, without consulting the people of Canada, this language war is not about rights. It is about money and power for the French zealots. And the sooner the rest of Canadians wake up to this reality, the sooner something definitive can be done about it to bring peace to this land and stop the erosion of the rights of the Rest of Canadians, or it will too soon be too late to do anything about it. How much do you care for your country? What are you willing to do to take your country back from those who have stolen most of it from you and those who are in the process of taking the rest? Are you prepared to fight for your rights? Or are you just going to sit back and let someone else do your fighting for you while the well financed (with your money) French take everything you have worked so hard to build? Which Canada do you want to live in? L. Sebastian Anders [Proofreader's note: this article was edited for spelling and typos on January 18, 2006]

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  1. Wed Jan 18, 2006 9:27 pm
    This is Preston Manning's and the Fraser Insitute's platform. Regurgitated for appeal to base emotions to help Harper ?

    Do you think, Germany would have fallen into the hands of Hitler if they'd had a Charter of Rights and an independent Supreme Court making final decisions over the legality and acceptability of laws passed by Parliament? Now even the US Supreme Court, filled with toadies, is beginning to make some noises over the intolerable actions of the Bush gang.

    Of course, even the most independent Courts are making stupid decisions, because they're human and not without human emotions and prejudices, but at least there's some hope that no PM can declare himself, and the ruling class he, or she, represents, Supreme Commanders. Although our economists are working hard to give them the power.

    An elected government with unlimited law making powers, the Manning/Reform dream, now also hinted on by Harper, is the road to dictatorship.

    Ed Deak, Big Lake,BC.

  2. Wed Jan 18, 2006 9:37 pm
    Have you read this Seb?
    it's called the Candian Charter of Rights and Freedoms...

    Official Languages of Canada
    16. (1) English and French are the official languages of Canada and have equality of status and equal rights and privileges as to their use in all institutions of the Parliament and government of Canada.
    Official languages of New Brunswick
    (2) English and French are the official languages of New Brunswick and have equality of status and equal rights and privileges as to their use in all institutions of the legislature and government of New Brunswick.
    Advancement of status and use
    (3) Nothing in this Charter limits the authority of Parliament or a legislature to advance the equality of status or use of English and French.
    English and French linguistic communities in New Brunswick

    16.1.
    (1) The English linguistic community and the French linguistic community in New Brunswick have equality of status and equal rights and privileges, including the right to distinct educational institutions and such distinct cultural institutions as are necessary for the preservation and promotion of those communities.
    Role of the legislature and government of New Brunswick (2) The role of the legislature and government of New Brunswick to preserve and promote the status, rights and privileges referred to in subsection (1) is affirmed.
    Proceedings of Parliament
    17. (1) Everyone has the right to use English or French in any debates and other proceedings of Parliament.
    Proceedings of New Brunswick legislature (2) Everyone has the right to use English or French in any debates and other proceedings of the legislature of New Brunswick.
    Parliamentary statutes and records 18. (1) The statutes, records and journals of Parliament shall be printed and published in English and French and both language versions are equally authoritative.
    New Brunswick statutes and records (2) The statutes, records and journals of the legislature of New Brunswick shall be printed and published in English and French and both language versions are equally authoritative.
    Proceedings in courts established by Parliament 19. (1) Either English or French may be used by any person in, or in any pleading in or process issuing from, any court established by Parliament.
    Proceedings in New Brunswick courts (2) Either English or French may be used by any person in, or in any pleading in or process issuing from, any court of New Brunswick.
    Communications by public with federal institutions 20. (1) Any member of the public in Canada has the right to communicate with, and to receive available services from, any head or central office of an institution of the Parliament or government of Canada in English or French, and has the same right with respect to any other office of any such institution where

    a) there is a significant demand for communications with and services from that office in such language; or
    b) due to the nature of the office, it is reasonable that communications with and services from that office be available in both English and French.
    Communications by public with New Brunswick institutions (2) Any member of the public in New Brunswick has the right to communicate with, and to receive available services from, any office of an institution of the legislature or government of New Brunswick in English or French.
    Continuation of existing constitutional provisions 21. Nothing in sections 16 to 20 abrogates or derogates from any right, privilege or obligation with respect to the English and French languages, or either of them, that exists or is continued by virtue of any other provision of the Constitution of Canada.
    Rights and privileges preserved 22. Nothing in sections 16 to 20 abrogates or derogates from any legal or customary right or privilege acquired or enjoyed either before or after the coming into force of this Charter with respect to any language that is not English or French.

  3. Wed Jan 18, 2006 9:43 pm
    I'm a pretty tolerant guy, but stupid people who say things that are patently untrue and then use information that hasn't even got a remote relationship to fact, will always get a rise out of me. Just where do you get all the fantasia you're using? Protecting English rights? What rights are those that you don't already have? In law, French has some equality with English, but defacto (in practice)English continues to have vastly more rights everywhere except Quebec. See if you can find bilingual highway signs in BC, Alberta etc. Just how freely available do you think service is in French across Canada. Not very, but you wouldn't know that would you, because you probably don't have a clue. And you have the heuvos to call some of the francophone advocates you criticize zealots? Go look in the mirror you bigot. Clearly you are thoroughly ignorant about the dynamics of this nation and why bilingualism is part of keeping us intact. You must be one of thoses dummies who think Quebec should leave, without stopping to think about the very large hole that would leave in the map. Do you fancy an East and west Pakistan scenario? (Do you even know what I'm talking about?) Clearly your idea of "English Rights" is having no French in Canada. Well just imagine the shoe on the other foot, if your imagination can stretch that far. You'd be the loudest whiner of all, I've no doubt. English is spoken by 75% of us and French by at most 25%, mostly in one province. Is this monority going to take you in the back room and convert you to French? Yuh, sure. I am an Anglophone Western Canadian who has had the extraordinary opportunity of living in Quebec and becoming fluent in French, something every Canadian should do if he can. It makes you culturally richer, more knowledgeable about our country and more tolerant overall. You're probably too fossified to learn from what I'm telling you, but I tried. (I'm only 61)

  4. Thu Jan 19, 2006 1:42 am
    George:

    I am very familiar with the Constitution and the Charter: I have copies of these right here on my desk.

    I presently live in Ottawa in the midst of the political fray. I have lived out west in BC and in Alberta; spent twelve years out there. I have also lived in Quebec for years. In fact, I was born in Quebec and grew up in Ottawa, right across the river from Quebec. I speak French fluent, not Quebecois, not Franco Ontarian or Franco Manitoban, not "Joual", but French.

    Due to lack of use, I am no longer as fluent as I "used" to be fluent in three other languages that I learned from living in the coutries where these are the national languages. I lived in Switzerland where there are four official languages, although one of them is just there for tradinal reasons. It was the original Swiss Language but is now rarely if ever spoken, if at all. Then there are the multitude of dialects in each country I had the good fortune of living in which, in their own right, are practically distinct languages.

    All this to let you know that my bio is not made up. It is who I am and was, although I haven't seen anyone else with the "huevos" (as someone said in another reply to my ramblings) to divulge any of their particulars.

    Dear friend, you can quote every article and clause of the Constitution and the Charter, and believe as much as you want that it is practised and enforced in all its glory everywhere in Canada. But the reality is: it is not.

    Generally, Quebec ignores it. It is certainly not enforced by the Federal Government in Quebec when it is not in Quebec's advantage to do so, but Quebec is quick to refer to the Constitution and the Charter if it is to their advantage to do so.

    In the rest of Canada, it is interpreted to mean whatever is to the advantage of the special interest group who happens to be selling their votes to the Liberal Government. Perhaps that will change with a new Government. But then, with the entire public service bureaucracy, the Senate and the Courts being, not only Liberal but mostly French, the elected representatives of the people are not necessarily in charge, are they? The Charter is but an illusion to those who do not have the favour of the French establisment, is it not?

    Time to do a reality check.

    Sebastian Anders



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    Writer - Social and Political Commentary
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  5. Thu Jan 19, 2006 2:04 am
    The idea of the French language replacing English in Canada is going a little too far. For the most part, it's economically ridiculous, much in the same way that bilingualism has been over the better part of the past thirty years. Their goal isn't to replace English with French, but to entrench the French language and French culture in the rest of Canada so as to make seperation illogical and force English Canada to (officially) acknowledge distinct society for the province and people of Quebec.

    It is true that Quebec is predominantly French and that English Canada is obviously still English, but we're looking at this problem from the wrong angle. English is being wiped out in Quebec, with between 250,000 to 300,000 English Canadians having already left the province for good over the past twenty years or so taking the major corporations with them to Toronto. At the same time French has become more and more popular with in English Canada. Suddenly there are more and more Francophones living in the western provinces, and unbeknownst to me until I was eighteen, there was a forty year old Francophone community several thousand strong in the small Ontarian town that I grew up. So in Quebec, English and English Canadians are yesterday's news, while in English Canada the French language is all the rage.

    Now, we in English Canada are told that this is a winning strategy. The future is looking bright for Canada, because we've put up firewalls not just in Quebec but throughout Canada that will protect and encourage the development of the French language and Quebecois culture within Canada. To put it plainly, the ends justify the means. So what if we have to break international treaties that Canada has signed protecting basic language rights that directly apply to English Canadians in the province of Quebec? So what if the United Nations says we're violating international law? They don't understand the situation, how could they? If Quebec were to leave Canada, there could be no Canada. The country would break up and the remaining provinces would probably be swallowed up by the evil Americans, mainly becuase there would be no logical alternative and that joining the States just makes perfect sense.

    In 1994, 48.6 per cent of CRTC employees hailed from the province of Quebec, while the competitions tribunal was dominated by Quebecois (75 per cent). The numbers get even more interesting; Elections Canada (79 per cent), Official Languages Office (72.3 per cent), Foreign Affairs (71.1 percent), the CBC (44.4 per cent), the Canada Council (51.5 per cent). Those are just 1994 numbers, imagine where they're at in 2006? And you wonder why the West feels left out, I'm from Ontario and I feel left out! Interesting though, foreign affairs, communication, laguage, and the arts, all areas dominated by Quebecois and areas that have a profound influence on Canadian culture and communication within Canada and also at the international level.

    So, even though we're violating international law and even though one province is clearly over-represented at the federal level, it's all being done in the best interests of "English-Speaking Canada" because otherwise we'd all be Americans. But aren't we already becoming Americans in the process? So much attention is being paid towards protecting French culture and the French language, but what about the English? Or the First Nations? Or the Celtic culture of the Maritimes? Oh, that's right, there is no such thing as an English Canada anymore. That was a quaint mid-19th Century Victorian period in Canadian history, that was the past and we as Canadians must look to the future. And for the East and the Indians on the reserves? Some government handouts from time to time seem to be keeping them quiet for the most part.

    I remember a time when growing up in Ontario was a much different experience than it is nowadays. There was once a time when there was such a thing as English Canada, it wasn't quite British and it wasn't entirely American. It was something else, but it was something that, according to Stats Canada, a large number of Canadians could identify with. Of course, today it's been sold off for a cheap immitation of popular American culture. Instead, we've got Brian Mulroney's son hosting "Canadian" Idol. Am I the only one that sees the irony there?

    I have nothing against Quebecois. I've been to Quebec once with my class when I was thirteen. It was alright, I suppose. We only went to Hull, and when asking for the washroom in English I was promptly directed to the woman's washroom for some reason? But no matter, I hold no grudges. As for the French language, what's the point? I see no practical purpose in learnig French. I've taught English overseas, people seem to be preoccupied with learning not only English, but Spanish and Mandarin as opposed to French. It just makes more sense. I'm a student that'll soon be heading to Australia to (hopefully) work on a Masters Degree, why should I learn French? I'd much rather learn German, Hindi, Japanese, Spanish, Arabic, or a dozen other languages that I'll actually be able to use.

    And as for Canada, it seems as though they'll never settle until the Quebecois are recognised as a distinct society even though there are at least four in Canada. And at the same time English Canada will soon become American Canada, even though we're told that we're protecting Quebec to prevent Canada from becoming American. Funny logic, huh? When you go on about how wonderful Quebec and the French language are and how important they are in preserving Canada, you'll forgive me for yawning and looking forward to having a beer with my mates on the beaches of Brisbane...


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  6. Thu Jan 19, 2006 2:20 am
    Paul:

    Try telling this to all those unilingual English speaking Canadians who are stalled in their careers in the federal government, in the National Capital Commission, in the City of Ottawa staff, and because of the bilingualism policies being foisted on the private sector by the federal and other levels of government, more and more jobs are being limited to those who are bilingual, even where French is never used or necessary in the performance of the duties pertaiing to those jobs, which is generally the case.

    Try telling this to all those who cannot get a job because of this bilingualism policy, regardless of their ability to do the job.

    Try telling this to all those who have lost their job of many years of competent performance of their duties up until the time it was declared bilingual imperative, although the actual duties and obligations did not change except for the requirement of the ability to speak French, although French is never used on the job.

    Try telling this to those who are in fear of their French colleagues and their bosses in the work place because of systemic discrimination against those who are not bilingual and who simply wish to be treated with fairness in the workplace.

    Try telling this to all those Canadians who have lost their homes and have had to leave this region and in many cases, the country because of the cloud of bilingualism hanging over them.

    And this is not limited to the Ottawa region. It is happenning across the country. And I am not making this up. I am not allowed to make this up.

    Well done Paul, well done.

    Sebastian Anders

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    Writer - Social and Political Commentary
    Cumberland (Ottawa), ON

  7. Thu Jan 19, 2006 5:05 am
    Sebastian Anders:

    You have spent far too much time in Ottawa. Have you ever spoken to Francophones Hors Quebec that are not associated with the ones living under the bubble? Is this not the real world that you seem to be eluding to somehow? You might just change your attitude if you stayed away from that bubble. I personally would not mind getting rid entirely of the bubble.

    Réjean B., Vancouver

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  8. Thu Jan 19, 2006 8:56 am
    If you're speaking of Vancouver, I would be more worried about the threat of mass-Chinese immigration and its destruction of the English-Canadian culture. As always, the dominant culture loses when all cultures are treated eqally--essentially this amounts to discrimination against the majority.

    Cities like Vancouver, Toronto and Calgary are not what they used to be.


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    "A Liberal is someone who refuses to take his own side in a fight".

    -Robert Frost

  9. by le c49
    Thu Jan 19, 2006 10:22 am
    One francopone man in NB might not agree with the Canadian charter of rights and freedoms; <a href="http://www.lexum.umontreal.ca/csc-scc/en/rec/html/2005scc074.wpd.html">http://www.lexum.umontreal.ca/csc-scc/en/rec/html/2005scc074.wpd.html</a> especially the section which states: “ Communications by public with New Brunswick institutions (2) Any member of the public in New Brunswick has the right to communicate with, and to receive available services from, any office of an institution of the legislature or government of New Brunswick in English or French.” The key argument of course is what is the definition of institution????<br />
    <br />
    Some Anglophones feel their rights are being denied because it seems that many government jobs are going to French only, <a href="http://www.languagefairness.ca/">http://www.languagefairness.ca/</a> due to the fact that there are more bilingual francophones than Anglophones(especially in the city of Ottawa and the province of New Brunswick). <br />
    <br />
    Of course, being Anglophone myself and living in the only officially bilingual province, NB, I can relate to the latter link. Unless you have experienced this province, you cannot understand how difficult it is to make a good living because most jobs are requiring you to speak both official languages. This is both an anglophone problem (southern NB) and francophone problem (northern NB). The reality is that NB is losing its population fast, (I believe over 7 percent between 1997-2001according to NB census) especially in southern NB. No one seems to know why. I have no real statistical evidence, but I always thought it had to do with the fact that the educated here are unable to get jobs because the lack the essentials of speaking both languages fluently, namely quebecois. Although I have been studying French language for many years, I lack the quebecoise dialect, a real requirement in this province, and consequently, have been refused many jobs (government and private sector) over the years. In my opinion, Manpower services here in NB discriminate against unilingual applicants, both french and english applicants; during the interview process, they always ask you if you speak a second language. If you reply no, don't expect them to find you a job real soon. <br />

  10. by michou
    Thu Jan 19, 2006 1:10 pm
    I thank S. Anders for taking up an issue that is so important for the survival of the English language in Canada and mostly ignored by those who are at the gravest risk. I am francophone so I know first hand what I speak of and S. Anders obvioulsy knows it too. There is in fact a very large Québec underground association, membership constantly rising , and their objective is simple, the total assimilation of English Canadians into the French Québec nation. They are very close of achieving their targeted goal and if if wasn’t for the likes of S. Anders ringing the alarm bell, who knows if in just a few generations, if there will be any Canadian left to tell the tale of how people in this nation once knew how to speak English, in the days before what will become known as « La Grande Assimilation » . <p>Now that Vive has allowed Mr. Sanders some net space in order to provide us with an undeniable commentary about the precarity of Canada’s English language, I believe it only fair that equal time and space also be given to Ernst Zundel. <p>---<br>« Il y a une belle, une terrible rationalité dans la décision d'être libre. » - Gérard Bergeron <br />

  11. Thu Jan 19, 2006 4:04 pm
    Mr. Ed Deak:

    Thank you for the compliment. I never considered myself the intellectual equal of Preston Manning or the Fraser Institute (before it was taken over by the Liberal apparatchik) but you may indeed be right; on this issue we may be on the same page.

    It appears to me that you are under the illusion that because something is written on paper that the contents of that paper will save humanity from the evil that some individual can wreak upon his / her fellow citizens.

    It certainly has not stopped Quebec from spitting on the Constitution and the Charter anytime it was not in accord with their anti constitutional laws. It has not stopped the Liberal Government from not enforcing the terms of the Charter (which they have sworn to do under the terms of their madate) in such instances that Quebec spat on it. As a matter of fact, it and the Supreme Court of Canada stood on the side of Quebec in its blantant disregarg and disrespect of that Charter and the Constitution, repepatedly. In other instances, they just stood by idle in their duties, refusing to act in defense of the Constitution and the Charter.

    The Charter has not stopped the Liberal Government from misusing it or misinterpreting it or throwing it in the faces of the people of Canada to suit its own purposes, counting on the ignorance of the people in such matters to make them believe the opposite of the truth.

    The most dictatorial Prime ministers we have had in this country were the last two: Chretien and Martin, who used the Charter to impose their mean-spirited will on the Canadian people by pitting people against each other on the basis of their differences, whether these were racial, cultural, linguistic, sexual orientation or religious. All this just to stay in power, dictatorial power. And now they are like a scared cat in a corenr, fight like hell because they know that they stand a good chance of being prosecuted for their dishonourable deeds once an honest government gets into power.

    Heaven help us all should the NDP or any other blantantly socialist party ever get close to becoming the ruling party in this country. They are the most biased, intolerant people in this country, pretending to be the opposite of what they are. The proof of this is in the sorry failure of the Soviet Socialists after puting its people through 70 years of extreme sufferring and injustices.

    Like the corrupt labour unions, they pretend to be there for the working class people, in fact they claim to be the only ones defending the rights of the workers. In other words, one cannot be a worker if not in support of the NDP. Or conversely all workers are NDPers. Well I am a worker. I have been one my entire life and have never relied on unions to save my ass. For a number of years before my retirement I was self employed with none of the protections of unions, and I worked a lot harder and longer hours than union workers did. But I am not an NDPer nor do I have anything to do with any other socialist group or party because I do not believe in their warped sense of reality.

    Be aware that I am not a hard core Conservative or any other party. I became involved with what is now the Conservative Party because of the corruption withing the Liberal Government and the entire Liberal establishment as well as anything socialist. As already mentioned, I helped bring down the previous Conservative Party because they had become corrupt and much too progressive in their ideology, and they had no moral right to use the name Conservative. Because of my involvement in the rebuilding of the Conservative Party and my activism in the movement, I will be one of many who will be the first to criticise them should they stray from their appointed duties and their mandate. We will hold their feet to the fire, as the expression goes, much more readily than the opposition, unlike die hard Liberals who support their party regardless of theis history of absolute corruption and imorality.

    Admittedly, I am an admirer of Preston Manning. I searched for a long time for someone within the political spectrum with a platform of honesty and integrity; with respect for the family and the law; with a proper sense understanding of justice, equality of citizens and provinces, and on and on and on. He also had a sense of understanding of the corruption of power, which is why he had a limitation of terms for the Prime Minister in his platform. He was not after power for the sake of power to satisfy his ego or control the purse strings in order to fill his pockets and that of his friends and relatives, as is the case with the Liberals.

    My impression of you, from what you wrote, is that you are either a die-hard lefty of the Liberal or NDP colouring or a sour, former Red Progressive Conservative. While I am on the subject, let me tell you about my view on the name Progressive Conservative.

    From the time I first learned to read and understand what I was reading, I wondered at the oximoronic name Progressive Conservative. And in later years I also wondered about the ideological persistence in preserving this contradiction both in its name and in its membership. I am also very proud and happy about being one of those people who worked very hard to destroy them, and without pity. Hopefully, the same will happen to the Liberals, in hope that a renewed, revamped, clean Liberal Party will rise out of the ashes of this shameful entity. The Conservative movement suffered through the process and have emerged with a new reality and understanding of its purpose, which is to serve the people of Canada rather than themselves.

    I don't know where you got the impression that Harper is after absolute power. You seem to be parodying Martin. Because he is about to loose his position of absolute power, he accuses his opponent of his own sins, which is typical of psychotics. He is about to loose what has been his life long dream, without ever achieving what he imagined should have his legacy of accomplishments. He ran a crooked shipping line with no respect for Canadian tax laws or labour laws. And he thought he could run the country the same way. Luckily, although I may be premature in this assessment, the Canadian people, contrary to their behaviour of the past 40 years, seem to be awakening to reality. Of course it also has to do with the socialist mentality they have been lulled into over the past 40 years, they now believe that the Conservatives has a better offer on the table, as far as what goes into their pockets is concerned. And they are right. But although they are not really concerned with it, since they are only concerned with the immediate, they will also get a much better government who will give them greater long term benefits that go far beyond the "What's in it for me" syndrome.

    The corruption within the Liberal Government and the Liberal Party was not just about stealing money. It went much, much deeper than that. It went to the very soul of the people in the party and its supporters. And the NDPers played right along with it, as did the Separatists of Quebec because nothing, absolutely nothing goes on in Quebec in matters of politics or movement of money, big money, without the Quebec Elite knowing about it.

    For the Bloc and the other Separatists to suddenly show indignation at the Adscam and other corruption within the Liberal Government and the Liberal Party, for what went on in Quebec is a farce. The adscam and other schemes had been going on for years, among the Elites. It is impossible for it to have been going on without the Quebec money and political establishments knowing about it.

    So, Ed, speak to me again about your fear of a Stephen Harper government. I doubt that you really know anything about it, or anything else to do with governance except what you have allowed yourself to believe from reading and listening to Liberal / socialist propaganda. And somehow, I doubt that you really understand that either.

    The socialist idealism being taught in our educational institutions is just that, idealism. It is so far from real world reality that they don't even compare. Time to get your feet back on the ground, Ed.

    Sebastian Anders





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    Writer - Social and Political Commentary
    Cumberland (Ottawa), ON

  12. Thu Jan 19, 2006 5:02 pm
    L. Sebastian is sending up such a malodorous cloud of methane, I
    am wondering why his divisive message isn't being edited off the
    Vive le Canada web-site.

    His nasty message was tried about 30 years ago, and was
    thoroughly discredited at that time.

  13. Thu Jan 19, 2006 5:32 pm
    Angus:

    You seem to have gone from one side of the argument to the other, unless I missed your tongue in cheek. Firstly, let me explain to you, very briefly, why French has become the rage in Canada.

    With the imposition of bilingualism in the Government workplaces (proliferating throughtout all levels of government - and if it has not reached you yet, it will soon enough) and imposing the same guidelines with members of the private sector who have dealings with the government (and that takes in a lot of the private sector)more and more jobs have become bilingual imperative. As a matter of fact, some job offers are now posting French as required and English as useful (outside Quebec).

    So, when parents are raising a family and realise the quagmire they are in because of their failure in the past to speak out against this incursion, the conclusion they draw is that they must comply. Resistence is futile and they will be assimilated. They want their children to have a future, and the only way to have a future is to fall in line and enroll their children, and in some cases, themselves, in French immersion programs. Unfortunatley, that seldom works because of the established institutional biases in favour of people with French names or more specifically from Quebec, New Bruswick or Eatern Ontario of known French ancestry. Believe it or not.

    You believe that if Quebec is allowed to separate it will be the end of Canada, and that the other provinces will join the "evil" Americans. First of all, I do not consider the Americans to be evil. As a matter of fact, in the context of what has been going on in this country for the las forty years, and even more so in the last thirteen years, I would more likely attribute that name to Canadians rather than to Americans.

    That being said, there are a lot people in this country who regret the 1995 rally in Montreal to save Canada from Quebec separation. And a lot of those were at that rally. They regret their actions because it has not stemmed the tide of hatred for Canada by Separatists or their desire to separate, and they will not take no for an answer, but they expect us to take their decision as final.

    A lot of people across Canada have come to the realisation that Canada would be much better off without Quebec. And I am also inclined to believe that, for many reasons far too numerous to list here.

    The caveat here is that when Quebec is asked to leave Canada, it will not be with the boundaries they believe they have the right to retain, but rather those that we, as Canadians, will allow them to leave with. And that would not be negotiable.

    Through the "manufactured" organisation known as "The Francophonie" to which all Canadians taxpayers contribute, French is being touted as the saviour language of the world so that France can regain its place in the sun as the Superior people, at least that is what the French elite believe. The common French people do not. In Quebec, however, it is different. They believe they are the equal of France and whatever glory France seeks, they must be right there shoulder to shoulder with them, which is one of the reasons they are so anti American.

    Although I speak French (not Quebecois) and I think it is a wonderful language to know, (Quebecois or joual certainly is not) as are the other languages I speak or used to speak fluently, (German, Spanish and Italian), I also believe that its time is past and has become irrelevant in today's world. Someday English may be in that position, but before that happens, many other languages will have faded into obscurity because the factor that is more important here is that, in the global "economy" and the universal world that we have moved into, easy and universal communication is primordial.

    English is the easiest and most complete language on this planet today because it is not pretentious. It borrows from other languages to expand its vocabulary and comprehension, and it is not stuck on historical glories for the sake of tradition. It does not pretend to exist because of the size of its population, but simply because it is a convenient language to use. Why else would the majority of the people on this planet be making great strides toward learning English (except Quebec)? It is the language of business, science, medicine, technology and international communication. But not in Quebec. So, would we be better off without Quebec? You bet your boots we would.

    Would Quebec be better off without the rest of Canada? Of course not. As Preston Manning said: "Quebec should be allowed to go. And when they realize they are better off within a united Canada, then they will be welcomed back, but on our terms." Yes. It will be on our terms. they would no longer impose their will on the rest of the country or control the Federal Government as they have for the past forty years or more, or be able to make the never ending demands on the taxpayers of Canada. And the French speaking people of Canada who chose to live in Canada instead of Quebec, should adapt to the language of Canada (English) and not that of Quebec or the pretentious French elites.

    The progressive minded people of this country too regularly, if not constantly, counter the anti French sentiments in the rest of Canada by bringing up the fact that there are other people in this country who speak neither French nor English. That is true. But why have they been allowed to do so? Because of the multicultural policies of the Liberal and the Defunct Red Progressive Conservative Governments? Well, that is where the fault lies.

    When people chose to come to this country, they should also decided to become Canadians. If they cannot do that, then they should not be allowed to come or to stay here. Canada should not be the backyard wasteland of the world. But that is what the multiculturalism policies of the past governments have allowed it to become.

    I am very happy to see people from all over the world choosing to come to Canada to make a new life for themselves, but it should be exactly that: a new life. They should be willing to become Canadian, and bring some of their culture with them, but without the illusion of being able to impose it on the rest of Canadians. To allow that is the best way to find ourselves at the biblical Tower of Bable where no one can understand anyone else and coexistence is impossible. And that is about what has indeed happened to Canada.

    For the sake of a healthy, prosperous Canada, let Quebec go. When they are mature enough to understand the consequences of their actions, they will come back. But if they do not, we will get along extremely well without them, in fact, much better. We will be free of the burden that is keeping Canadians divided, not just at the Quebe border, but throughtout the country because of the waste of lives spent on trying to coddle them to stay and paying dearly for it in the process. Canadians would much prefer to get on with their lives than to be stuck in this never ending story of Quebec, Quebec , Quebec. We have much more important things to be concerned about.

    Sebastian Anders

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    Writer - Social and Political Commentary
    Cumberland (Ottawa), ON

  14. Thu Jan 19, 2006 7:02 pm
    Sebastian,

    Thank you for the long and detailed reply. I only just read it as I'm extremely busy on various projects, now that I can do some real work with my nanny state, socialistic old age pension and not having to waste my life to build junk and garbage for money.

    Anybody who admires Preston Manning, or gives the time of day to the Fraser Institute, is a lost cause in my book.

    As I've mentioned many times before you came on this site, I have lived in 4 countries, under every form of ideology known. Have been sentenced to death by the nazis and to the gulags by the communists, escaped both. A British trained analyst, I have by now studied historical precedents for over 60 years , looking for the "common denominator of history's tragedies". I found it 21 years ago in pseudo religious, fraudulent economic theories, like the one we live under now, giving absolute power to special interest ruling classes in the name of "freedom".

    Could you please tell me, what right do a handful of corporations have to control of the world's food supply ? Do you realize, that every time you buy groceries in any supermarket, some of your money will end up in the pockets of the shareholders of Monsanto, Cargill, Tyson, or Nestle ?

    What's the difference between their corporate boardrooms and politbureaus controlling the economy and the lives of people ?

    If the growth of corporations, and mergers, are not forms of forced collectivization in the best Soviet style, what is it ? The only difference is that the Soviets did it with bayonets, the capitalists with the creation of unlimited amounts of artificial capital to take over the world, but both on killing sprees.

    I'm a private enterpriser, as opposed to "free", a business and property owner in BC for 49 years, skilled tradesman, rancher and artist.

    Also a long term member of the CoC, joined the NDP in 1997 in opposition to the MAI, and its corporate dictatorship, and am holder of the 1991 copyright of the only scientifically correct definition of economic efficiency.

    The only ideology I do believe in is an economic system based of strict physical laws, human rights and environmental protection. I maintain my NDP membership as opposition to corporate dictatorship and control of the economy.

    The economy is too important to be left to economists. Especially of today's brainwashed neoclassical kind.

    Ideologies, like capitalism, socialism etc. etc. mean absolutely nothing to me as they can, have been and are being turned into criminal actions.

    The present neoclassical, capitalist, globalized market economy theory is the biggest crime wave in history that's destituting and killing more people on a long term daily basis, than both world wars and the death camps of Stalin, Hitler and Mao put together. Wealth can not be "created" only taken and on account of this 30,000 people will die today, and every day in many past and future years, of starvation related causes.

    Anybody who supports the ideology that built this crime wave is responsible for their deaths, just as the members of the nazi and communists parties have been for theirs.

    So, my friend, if you want to suggest to somebody to get his, or her, feet on the ground, please look at your own, as you seem to be a wild eyed ideologue, who has completely lost any contact with the realities of life.

    Here's a little story from the days when Manning started to raise his head on the political scene, but very few people knew about him. By chance I met a guy from Alberta who knew Manning from his lay preacher days.

    He said: "Tell me about that idiot! He used to tell little children in his Bible class that anybody who didn't believe that the world was created 7,000 years ago, won't go to heaven...."

    Is this true ? Are you one of them ? How about Harper ? Is he also one of these fundamentalist nutcases? Is this the reason Bush gave him a half hour audience? The man, his recorded speeches and actions, especially in his days as a VP of the National Citizens Coalition, put him into the bottom of the barrel in my book as either a fanatic nut, or criminal .

    How long will it take for Harper to follow the flightpath to Washington, like Mulroney right after his election in 1984?

    Going back to Manning, he brought out and up the worst human scum in this area, even forming militias for the day when the "leader calls". They were buying Chinese made assault rifles and I knew of one red hot Reformer, also a lay preacher, who spent $10,000 on 10,000 rounds of military rifle ammunition for the day. He's been long gone to become a "missionary" somewhere, and I often wondered what happened to all that ammo, guns and the rest of the kooks ? Yes, it was reported to the RCMP at the time, but they went underground after the Oklahoma City bombing.

    I'm not suggesting that Manning may have been behind these crazies, or even that he knew about them, but he and his ideas brought them out and, this being a red hot fundamentalist Christian area, all we could hear at the time was "The trouble with this country is that we have too many freedoms".

    Well, I can't have enough freedom and want to have a government that will protect them and not sell them out to foreign "investor" carpetbaggers, who are turning this country into a garbage heap of environmental and human destruction. Which makes me an economic nationalist, protectionist, realist, who has the experience and capacity to think without ideological brainwash

    So, Sebastian, in your ideological world, is it: "Vive le Canada" or "Vive le societe anonyme libre" ?

    Ed Deak, Big Lake. BC.



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