"students, scientists, business people and delegations."
The benefits of allowing half of the University of Toronto student population to be Chinese. I guess the Catholics, Jews and WASPs who teach there will eventually realize that having kids makes a differennce.
But honestly, espionage has always happened, and it doesn't take a lot of people. The Americans mooched off Avro Arrow technology for decades, as did many other western and eastern European countries.
I can say that I know of many young Chinese-Canadians who are quite loyal to China before anything else, and are quite coy.
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I should alos add, China copies basically everything, from fighter jets down to tea cozies, so their lack of respect for intellectual property shouldn't be a surprise. They want to get ahead.....
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Hey, I don't want to sound racist, but half of the population of Waterloo is also Chinese. Thanks to deregulation of tuition they are the only ones who can afford university. The latest study has only 25% of Ontarians getting more than a high school education, less than all of the states it was measured against. The University of Waterloo is now opening a 'branch' in Kuwait (I think it was).
Whether this makes a long lasting affect though I don't know, remember when all the Israeli spies were discovered in Canada. No doubt they are just twisting the sponge to announce more security measures. As far as joe canadian goes though, who cares if they steal technology that no doubt developed in an american branch plant in Canada.
Just as an aside my wife works in disease research (for an american company here in Canada) in pretty cutting edge stuff. The company made an announcement on their website before it was published, lo and behold they procrastinated before publishing and a chinese lab beat them to it just from the information on their website. They don't need espionage, all they need is to be not retarded like business people in North America.
That's the thing with globalism of people and capital, It's disastrous, and nobody wants to talk about it.
Regarding the Chinese being the only ones who can afford university, I assume you are referring to the many wealthy Chinese in Canada....I knew some of them myself.
When it comes to the 25% figure you state, I read some StatsCan publications in the past, and I was shocked at how few people attend post--seconday education.....does that 25% include older people? I assume it does.
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It's likely not second-generation Chinese who are spying. We do not want to repeat what we did to the Japanese and place all new immigrants into safe camps or whatever. Universities welcome Chinese students because they have the smarts, and this makes domestic students work harder for degrees, which is a good thing.
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<br /> In effect, students compete against Chinese students (who face their own language barriers) for grades, but not jobs. This makes for a more competitive environment, and hopefully smater students in Canada.
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<br /> However, Chinese "Mainlanders" often get the grades in math-based programs because one can do it without having to pass TOEFEL. This can exclude domestic students and enhance the immigration status of Foreign students. I have heard many anecdotes of Mainland students from Pacific Rim nations who bypass their oral defence at the Master's level and proceed to the Ph.D. level in an attempt to delay the inevitable - mastering English. It's good if they come to canada and teach, but frustrating for students who have to listen to teachers who can barely talk English.
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<br /> Just look, for example, at the composition of students in UBC's Econ department by year in their Ph.D. program. I'd say close to 1/4. But then again, China has 1/4 of the planet's population.
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<br /> Even if you go to other international schools in Europe, some of them now list their websites in English AND Chinese because Chinese students are going global, so this is likely a global trend that extends to Sweden, Netherlands and other nations. China has likely realized the importance of the New Growth theories put out by Romer which state that Economic growth is predicated on accumulating Human Capital or Knowledge.
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<br /> China is seeking to secure the second pillar of economic growth, reliable Energy, which is why the whole Noranda thing is of such importance to Canada. We can supply reliable Oil from Ft. mcMurray to the US or to China. Having two buyers might be good economically, but politically, not the best thing. I don;t want China up in the Tar Sands. They dont need to buy a company in order to buy a product. It's just geopolitical manoevering.
Chinese students have the smarts, sure, but it is understandlable why the morale in the so-called "white" groups is down. There is no guarantee they'll have a job they are qualified for, unless they work in the technical fields that are often dominated by Asians.....people of Euopean origin built the Avro Arrow, so it's not like they can't do it.
This being said, some techncial fields are still dominated by long-time residents, so it's weird.
I can't help but think that the immigration policy is to blame. Let people in and let more people compete for fewer jobs.
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I don't want anyone to misunderstand me, I have a scottish/irish/english/maliceet background and don't really feel a 'cultural' connection to 'white culture'. I frankly enjoy the amount of multiculturalism in Waterloo, it is made up of Indians, Pakistani's, Chileans, Vietnamese, etc., and they are usually very nice people and as a result we have the best restaurants I have seen in any part of Canada-except maybe Toronto.
My problems are purely pragmatic, once upon a time almost every canadian had an easy opportunity to get into University (my sisters tuition was $400, partly paid by the military because of my father). In most scandinavian and many european countries university is public and everyone goes. When you have more and more uneducated then you have more poverty and unhappiness-the source of the 'white man's rage' we saw several years ago in the states. Not to point too fine a point on it but education is the answer to many of our current problems. The other issue is that, as stated, it isn't poor labourer chinese who are being brought in, thus we are helping to create a worldwide knowledge based elitism.
Quite simply the 'cause' of this is the government decision to pretty much privatize secondary education, which enabled them to turn into bureacratic corporate institutes looking worldwide for 'clients'. When a university needs money it doesn't take a rocket scientist to compare the tuition costs of foreign students and canadian students to opt to the former. The company my wife works for is constantly having a difficult time finding people. Its a pretty good company, pays fairly well once established and is in a metropolitan area, yet every ad they put in gets 200 chinese applicants to every two from canada. The main problem is the language barrier of course, in fact she says that the chinese men adapt to working for a woman much better than most canadian men (although her experience in this is limited and shouldn't be taken as any kind of study).
The fault isn't the chinese at all, the technology they're interested in is no doubt the massive increase in weapons manufacture that canada is now subsidizing. They don't need nuclear technology because thanks to the canadian taxpayer they were virtually GIVEN that technology with their CANDU reactors. Any bad news story we don't often have to look further than Parliament Hill.
Thanks for the insight. I didn't mean ot blame the immingrants.
When it comes to Europe, is it not true that the standards are fairly high to get in for free? (i.e. you need high marks?) Just asking because my aunt used to live in Denmark, and she said you needed super-high marks for free university.
As for nuclear technology, kind of funny how we gave it to China, but although Canada was there during the Manhattan Project wit the U.S.A. and Britain, we STILL don't possess our own nuclear weapons.....nice of our politicians to fool people into thinking this made us stronger, morally superior. Even the French still test them.
--- The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter --
Oh you bad, bad, bad, bad ,.......bad Canadian !!!! You are surely in need of ethnic sensativity training. I think you are racist based on the fact that you don't whole heartedly agree with the immigration policies of your liberal government there in "People's Paradise North"
You must be one of those Christian, homophobe, conservatives that we've been hearing so much about lately.
Well, off to the re-education camp with you........
I just want to apologize, usually my facts are well researched, but my comment that everyone in Sweden goes to college was way out of line. In fact the percentage seems fairly close to the US and Canada. There is much decentralization in Universities in europe and often vary within countries (so much for the argument that canada is more decentralized than european countries). Anyway, to respond to the above, in theory much is similar to canada as to demographics going to college. However the costs are less onerous and they often do not factor in parents contributions when evaluating loans (always a sore spot for young canadian students). Sorry for steering wrong there, I don't want people to think I'm playing fast and loose with my statistics.
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Stumble It!
I am not denying it, but hey, aren't there CIA agents everywhere?
What's good for the goose...
Guess we better lock the doors to the U of T?
The benefits of allowing half of the University of Toronto student population to be Chinese. I guess the Catholics, Jews and WASPs who teach there will eventually realize that having kids makes a differennce.
But honestly, espionage has always happened, and it doesn't take a lot of people. The Americans mooched off Avro Arrow technology for decades, as did many other western and eastern European countries.
I can say that I know of many young Chinese-Canadians who are quite loyal to China before anything else, and are quite coy.
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The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter --
Winston Churchill
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The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter --
Winston Churchill
Whether this makes a long lasting affect though I don't know, remember when all the Israeli spies were discovered in Canada. No doubt they are just twisting the sponge to announce more security measures. As far as joe canadian goes though, who cares if they steal technology that no doubt developed in an american branch plant in Canada.
Just as an aside my wife works in disease research (for an american company here in Canada) in pretty cutting edge stuff. The company made an announcement on their website before it was published, lo and behold they procrastinated before publishing and a chinese lab beat them to it just from the information on their website. They don't need espionage, all they need is to be not retarded like business people in North America.
WHITER than the snow. So really no one is shedding any tears for anyone in the Waterloo region.
RF
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The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter --
Winston Churchill
Regarding the Chinese being the only ones who can afford university, I assume you are referring to the many wealthy Chinese in Canada....I knew some of them myself.
When it comes to the 25% figure you state, I read some StatsCan publications in the past, and I was shocked at how few people attend post--seconday education.....does that 25% include older people? I assume it does.
---
The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter --
Winston Churchill
<br />
In effect, students compete against Chinese students (who face their own language barriers) for grades, but not jobs. This makes for a more competitive environment, and hopefully smater students in Canada. <br />
<br />
However, Chinese "Mainlanders" often get the grades in math-based programs because one can do it without having to pass TOEFEL. This can exclude domestic students and enhance the immigration status of Foreign students. I have heard many anecdotes of Mainland students from Pacific Rim nations who bypass their oral defence at the Master's level and proceed to the Ph.D. level in an attempt to delay the inevitable - mastering English. It's good if they come to canada and teach, but frustrating for students who have to listen to teachers who can barely talk English. <br />
<br />
Just look, for example, at the composition of students in UBC's Econ department by year in their Ph.D. program. I'd say close to 1/4. But then again, China has 1/4 of the planet's population. <br />
<br />
<a href="http://www.econ.ubc.ca/gradcentral/mainpage.ht">http://www.econ.ubc.ca/gradcentral/mainpage.ht</a> <br />
m <br />
<br />
Even if you go to other international schools in Europe, some of them now list their websites in English AND Chinese because Chinese students are going global, so this is likely a global trend that extends to Sweden, Netherlands and other nations. China has likely realized the importance of the New Growth theories put out by Romer which state that Economic growth is predicated on accumulating Human Capital or Knowledge. <br />
<br />
China is seeking to secure the second pillar of economic growth, reliable Energy, which is why the whole Noranda thing is of such importance to Canada. We can supply reliable Oil from Ft. mcMurray to the US or to China. Having two buyers might be good economically, but politically, not the best thing. I don;t want China up in the Tar Sands. They dont need to buy a company in order to buy a product. It's just geopolitical manoevering.
This being said, some techncial fields are still dominated by long-time residents, so it's weird.
I can't help but think that the immigration policy is to blame. Let people in and let more people compete for fewer jobs.
---
The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter --
Winston Churchill
My problems are purely pragmatic, once upon a time almost every canadian had an easy opportunity to get into University (my sisters tuition was $400, partly paid by the military because of my father). In most scandinavian and many european countries university is public and everyone goes. When you have more and more uneducated then you have more poverty and unhappiness-the source of the 'white man's rage' we saw several years ago in the states. Not to point too fine a point on it but education is the answer to many of our current problems. The other issue is that, as stated, it isn't poor labourer chinese who are being brought in, thus we are helping to create a worldwide knowledge based elitism.
Quite simply the 'cause' of this is the government decision to pretty much privatize secondary education, which enabled them to turn into bureacratic corporate institutes looking worldwide for 'clients'. When a university needs money it doesn't take a rocket scientist to compare the tuition costs of foreign students and canadian students to opt to the former. The company my wife works for is constantly having a difficult time finding people. Its a pretty good company, pays fairly well once established and is in a metropolitan area, yet every ad they put in gets 200 chinese applicants to every two from canada. The main problem is the language barrier of course, in fact she says that the chinese men adapt to working for a woman much better than most canadian men (although her experience in this is limited and shouldn't be taken as any kind of study).
The fault isn't the chinese at all, the technology they're interested in is no doubt the massive increase in weapons manufacture that canada is now subsidizing. They don't need nuclear technology because thanks to the canadian taxpayer they were virtually GIVEN that technology with their CANDU reactors. Any bad news story we don't often have to look further than Parliament Hill.
When it comes to Europe, is it not true that the standards are fairly high to get in for free? (i.e. you need high marks?) Just asking because my aunt used to live in Denmark, and she said you needed super-high marks for free university.
As for nuclear technology, kind of funny how we gave it to China, but although Canada was there during the Manhattan Project wit the U.S.A. and Britain, we STILL don't possess our own nuclear weapons.....nice of our politicians to fool people into thinking this made us stronger, morally superior. Even the French still test them.
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The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter --
Winston Churchill
You must be one of those Christian, homophobe, conservatives that we've been hearing so much about lately.
Well, off to the re-education camp with you........
.........TAKE HIM AWAY !!!!!!!
God Bless !
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The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter --
Winston Churchill