No Legal Method To Spoil A Ballot - Become A Candidate If You're Disgusted !

Posted on Monday, January 23 at 11:34 by whelan costen
Members of the Edible Ballot Society tried that method in the 2000 election but the trend faded after a number of prosecutions. Spoiling a ballot in privacy is not much of a protest, suggests Elections Canada spokesman Dana Doiron. "Nobody gets real satisfaction out of it because nobody knows about it," Doiron said. "It can't be attributed to the individual because of the secrecy. It just goes unrecorded, unnanounced, unknown. So you've wasted your time going to the poll in the first place." Chief Electoral Officer Jean-Pierre Kingsley has mused about introducing some legal method for registering a protest vote, but there have been no concrete proposals. So what's a disgusted voter to do? "There are laws against disrupting the conduct of the polls, so you can't go there and shout and scream and stamp your feet," said Doiron. The best strategy is to become a candidate, or try to find a candidate worthy of support, he said. But many Canadians are taking the lazy way out and staying home. Rates of voter participation have been declining with every election in recent history. Read the rest: http://www.mytelus.com/news/article.do?pageID=canada_home&articleID=2149861 [Proofreader's note: this article was edited for spelling and typos on January 24, 2006]

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  1. Mon Jan 23, 2006 7:59 pm
    Catherine:
    Thank You for posting that article, now I hope people start to pay attention to this present system and how it works.
    I have tried to be reasonable on this form by not hitting at any one party , but have tagged all parties as being under the same roof. It is my opinion that most if not all who run in an election do so with the best of intentions, but something runs a muck and it always seem to fall back to the party.

    No matter who it is on the site you all have disrespect for one another’s party. I have the same but for all.

    When will we come together as Canadians outside the party box to look at how a system can be brought into life that will give birth to a new democratic electoral process, that respects all Canadian tax payers and serves all Canadian under a better balanced system ?

    We have to build a governing system that has as it key mandate to build in accountability , responsibility , ethics , moral and we must as citizen have the legal means to sue any representative or party for abuse of power, breach of trust and acts of corruption.

    We need a electoral ballot that cannot be connected to the person who has placed their x on that ballot. We have to review the whole process because we are learning everyday that this system has been abusing the Canadian tax payer and those voters who are under the impression they are involved in a democratic process, well it time to question that democratic process.


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  2. Mon Jan 23, 2006 8:38 pm
    Wayne I hear you, and that is the reason I am running. If I am in Ottawa, I will bring these issues out, I will say to all those members who said they wanted 'accountability' that we need to change the elections act to reflect those promises,we need recall, we need proportional representation, we need parliamentary and senate reform, we also need party reform, so that when membership votes on something the executive can't overrule it. We need grassroots democracy.I will make sure the press knows that I am bringing it forward. The entire system needs an overhaul, but I don't believe they'll do it without public pressure and MP's that carry the message. If we had a government of independants, small parties and only a few of the majors we would have a different government entirely...people would have to work together, and then we would stop the power grab, and maybe MP's would start seeing their positions as public SERVICE, not as they do now! That is my hope. I believe many candidates who are running on their own dime are doing it to change the system, many of the Greens, CAP for certain, and independants as well as many of the other small parties.

    If you think about the commitment and energy these candidates have to put into the campaign, when they know there is no guarantee of a seat, you have to realize there is tremendous passion behind that person, as well as for most an incredible amount of understanding that something has gone wrong with our system. They are offering to be the change people are asking for, but instead we are inundated with election promises. Buying us with our own money, which they have failed to use or manage properly for years! We need change and I think voting for small parties or independants can bring that real positive change.

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  3. Mon Jan 23, 2006 9:03 pm
    I don't agree with making illegal people wishing to spoil their ballots. At least they actually went to the polls to voice their opinion. And their opinion matters as much as those that cast for actual candidates. We should have a box titled "NONE" or "SPOIL" so that elections Canada can count and tabulate those ballots equally with the others.

    More people like Wayne may come to vote even if it is to voice their displeasure. Millions of Canadians may play that new Canadian game of vote blocking today, thus voting for someone they probably don't want to vote for, so what is the difference really between that, and spoiling your ballot?

    Wayne you are an intelligent fellow, you should start your own party or run as an independent - your message will be heard better that way. Sometimes to beat the system, you must get yourself covered in the muck of the system.

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    If there was ever a time for Canadians to become pushy - now is the time - for time is running out on this nation called Canada.

  4. Mon Jan 23, 2006 10:25 pm
    I would like to see the system get fix by all Canadians, we should never leave such an important matter up to these who it best serves now. It should not be let to the "governing" party to set the agenda, that is something all citizens should be involved in.

    There would be little to achieve if I were to form my own party, because I would be lending credit to the very system I do not approve of.

    Citizens forms are the way to go. No matter something has to be done. I would like to see people like Mel Hertig, David Orchard, Paul Hellyer, Maude Barlow take up the tourch and start the fire.. they are well reconnized Canadian and have spoken out on the system , the party working before. These are just a few examples and I am sure there are many more.

    You know the process in trouble, when the parties start charging us for the our vote of support and god help us if they bring in forced voting.



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  5. by Rural
    Mon Jan 23, 2006 10:28 pm
    "We should have a box titled "NONE" or "SPOIL" so that elections Canada can count and tabulate those ballots equally with the others."
    How true, if these were counted it may tell the real story but the Big boys just dont want to know so it wont happen witrout a big push from the voting public!



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  6. Mon Jan 23, 2006 11:08 pm
    I agree, but how does the public push for this? In the end it is in the hands that the voters support and the parties are quite happy with the system as it is.

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  7. Tue Jan 24, 2006 12:32 am
    Of course there is a perfectly legal way to register a protest vote. When you go to the polling place and the ballot is handed to you, you hand it back and demand that it be registered as a 'declined' ballot. That is tantamount to saying 'none of the above'.

    The official tally, when all the ballots are counted, will include spoiled ballots (like all those folks who are from Florida) and declined ballots. Just because the media never bothers to report that doesn't mean the records aren't kept.

    I have done this so often it's almost habitual. And it's what I did about two hours ago. I would like to have voted differently but there is not a chance in hell that the candidate I would have selected (NDP) will come within 30% of either the Liberal or Conservative in my riding. So my little protest is just that, a protest.

    Paul Harris

  8. by RayB
    Tue Jan 24, 2006 12:36 am
    Is there some real statistics available about the number of people that are fedup with the present system? Is there some statistics about how many people want electoral reform? Is it just a few individuals making a lot of noise and writing on Vive le Canada or are there more than a few?

    Can someone find that information somewhere and post it here? If the numbers are important, those are the force that need to be harvested to put some momentum in that wheel of democracy. The number could show us if it is a real fight to undertake or if we are just against wind-mills.

  9. Tue Jan 24, 2006 1:02 am
    accorring to an elections canada spokeswoman that is not the case forfederalelection provincial yes fed no


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  10. Tue Jan 24, 2006 2:48 am
    Diogenes: Well you are correct, I see you are making a becoming a player. All ballots are maked spolied.

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  11. Tue Jan 24, 2006 2:56 am
    RAYB: Statistics you say on people who are on happy with the present system . Well we have 23 million registered voters in Canada. We will just have to wait and see how many do not vote, that is as close to a vital statistic as I can find.

    The question is why are those people not voting? I haven't , I not to lazy to make the trip, the poll is about 1500 feet from my house, I made the trip ever to every election except the last one and this one. I did not go because I am sick of a system that lacks any creditability or accountability, therefore I cannot vote in that kind of a political system.





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  12. Tue Jan 24, 2006 3:01 am
    Well now I am really bummed. I have declined ballots in Ontario several times, secure in the knowledge that they were being counted as declined. And I have several times declined a federal ballot and have always been assured at the polling place that it was being counted as such.

    But I followed up on the Diogenes comment and it is quite correct ... Elections Canada just lumps them in with other wrecked ballots. Man, I hate to think that we numbskulls in Ontario are ahead of the curve on ANYTHING ...

    Sigh.

    Paul Harris

  13. Tue Jan 24, 2006 5:29 am
    Well Paul do not get upset, try another way. It is without question we have been locked into a political system that benefits the few.

    I was one of 38% of the 23 million registered voters who did not vote. I was left with no other choice.. the best we can hope for with this minority government, we get reform.

    Stephen Harpers has said that he would like to see PR and Jack Layton has said the same.. so maybe they can find common ground to set the wheels in motion for change.

    Other than that maybe you and others could put together a submission requesting the government to set up such a committee to go across Canada looking into what Canadian would like to see.


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  14. by le c49
    Tue Jan 24, 2006 8:28 am
    Wayne, like yourself, I believe that the average taxpayer/voter has no real voice in government--during pre-election, they talk with us, yet upon post-election, they talk at us. We are just a means to an end for any politician seeking power, or so it seems.

    I would have like to have spoiled my ballot, but I tend to live for the here and now; and in my opinion we had to get rid of the liberals who after 12 years of power, have learned the system so well as to be come corrupted. If many of us had spoiled our ballot at this time, then it would have defeated any possibility of getting rid of them. I gave the Cons my vote, but only because we have few parties here in NB, I believe only four to choose from, and out of those four I believed that voting Cons would help rid the corrupted already in power.

    I think only a revolution would "give birth to a new democratic electoral process". But I doubt this generation would create such a stir; WE are way too conditioned into this way of voting. Nevertheless, education is a great tool, especially for future generations. If you so much want to get your message across this huge nation, get your ideas published. Or have you? Surely, from what info you have already provided Vive le Canada, there are millions who believe in what you do. Like the CAP party(pardon the pun), give the people information we don't normally get through main stream media.
    I am an average tax payer know little about politics, but because of this site, I am learning more and more about the true Canada.



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