Christian Right Eyes Canada

Paul may know his gospel, but he doesn't know how to do math.

Someone should break it to him that far more people voted AGAINST the Conservatives than for them. That is especially telling for an election where many were voting to punish the Liberals.

Hope he is not like many US and Canadian far-right Christians - known to lie. God has a small problem with liars...

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If there was ever a time for Canadians to become pushy - now is the time - for time is running out on this nation called Canada.

Hitler was baptized a Catholic,he too was though to be on the righ side, he attended a monastery school early in life, and was a communicant and altar boy as a youth. During his years as Chancellor and then dictator of Nazi Germany, he was never excommunicated or condemned, even though the Vatican knew much of his policies and activities. The only major complaints from Rome regarded interference in Church matters. And those were largely silenced by the 1933 Concordat with the Vatican, under Pope Pius XII, which to Hitler meant that the Catholic Church recognized the Nazi state.

And, indeed, Pius XII ordered German Catholics not to oppose Hitler. No prelate of any influence in Germany did so, even after the June 1934 Blood Purge that took the lives of several Catholic leaders. The wartime Pope made only mild and highly generalized protests against any Nazi actions and pretty much acquiesced in Hitler's treatment of the Jews, about which Pius had a pretty good idea. For their part, the Roman Church got support for mandatory school prayer and for "family values" — much like the Christian fundamentalist wish list in the modern US.

( Makes one think doesn't it) All being done and achieved in the very same way Hitler did, Hitler used the party system to appeal to the masses, you know people who cannot think outside the party box.



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Good government is not a party government

"( Makes one think doesn't it) All being done and achieved in the very same way Hitler did, Hitler used the party system to appeal to the masses, you know people who cannot think outside the party box."
OK Wayne, you have identified a long standing working strategy and that is the start point.

The question remains, what is your counter strategy? I suggest you and your group (party) spend time on presenting your solution as the problems are well known.


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People are more violently opposed to fur than leather because it's safer to harass rich women than motorcycle gangs.
Alexei Sayle

What's your point Wayne? You are seeing things that aren't there.

Hitler's statements on Christianity vary widely, from extremely pro-Christian to very dismissive of Christianity.

Like all politicians, Hitler contradicted himself. What is more important is what he did--he actually IIRC tried to kidnap the Pope during World War II and he stated quite openly that National Socialism was a secular German movement and not for export.

The Christian society that existed beforehand was much more peaceful than National Socialism.

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"A Liberal is someone who refuses to take his own side in a fight".

-Robert Frost

I find this article interesting. While I in no way see myself as part of the Christian right, I think in a democracy we should respect their right to their own views.

Although I am actually "left" wing on a number of issues, I too think that cultural marxism is a problem. Living in Toronto is like living in Karl Marx land. It is sick. Everything is minority this, homosexual that, give us more rights, with no emphasis on the European traditional (largely Christian) values that built the country. Canada was built by white Christians, not communists. Cultural marxists have ignored the fact that European values that focused on the family are necessary in maintaining the healthy sexuality that allows us to replenish our population. The marxist solution is to live consummerist lives (doesn't that contradict communism?) while allowing a flood on incompatible immigrants into the country to supposedly make up for the kids we can't afford to have and so we can have our bread and circuses while the ship sinks.

There are many Canadians who believe the right to an abortion in non-medical situations as a form of birth control deprives the unborn of their personhood much as slavery did. The majority of these people are not Stockwell Day fundamentalists, just average Canadians who hold back the puke every time we see Paul Martin grin as he looks for another transexual minority to get his picture taken with.

It is somewhat unfortunate don't you think that anyone with different ideas about how to improve a largely cultureless, cowardly liberal society is attacked simply for having different ideas--all non-liberals are attacked, and all major parties hence are forced to be liberal culturally--while being VERY right-wing economically which isn't my thing either.





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"A Liberal is someone who refuses to take his own side in a fight".

-Robert Frost

I should also add that Canadians must challenge those who feel that the left versus right debate must only be about econmics--there IS a culture war going on all the time, from abortion, to feminism versus traditionalism, gay marriage and so forth. We can't let our political elites keep defining everything in terms of money.

As for the accusation in this article that the CFC is anti-semitic, the guy aided Pat Robertson it says, and if I recall correctly Pat Robertson is actually quite pro-Zionist so I'm not buying it.

While intellectuals like Gloria Steinem are singled out by anti-Semites, the ethos of the 1960s is probably to blame a lot for our problems....that said certain groups have been quite eager in promoting homosexuality, "civil rights", immigration and other lovely things more than others.


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"A Liberal is someone who refuses to take his own side in a fight".

-Robert Frost

Perturbed: I really got you worked up, my point is if Christianity is so dam good and all other religions are do dam bad.. then Hitler sure as hell and Christianity go hand in hand. Now myself I am agnostic and feel that since history has painted a very dark trail of religion and wars, death and starvation all being mainly directed under the name of god, well it maybe time you and those believer of such a hateful belief revisit your life.

The appearance of piety was important: the Nazi military wore belt buckles on which was the legend Gott Mit Uns ("God with us"), and much of his political philosophy was adapted from the Bible. Hitler would not have been successful without the support of German Christians. However, Adolf Hitler perpetrated a serious Catholic sin when he committed suicide on April 30, 1945. Up until his death, in the eyes of the Christian Roman Catholic Church, Hitler was a good Christian. Go figure.

So I would be very please to see the fall of religious organizations and political parties, both depend on weak kneed citizens to exist.
Listen cut the bullshit out about intellectuals like Gloria Steinem, they are half the problem. It is time to THINK beyond the political box.

This anti-Semites trash is nothing more than an excuse to keep control, it the same with Quebec seperation, the more these topic are kept infront of the bumbed down, the easier it is for the political parties to rip us off. For christ sakes open your eyes.

One of the best ways to get control is to cut off the party system, do not support , do not finance and do not vote.

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Good government is not a party government

Being a Christian, and having read the New Testament through on a number of occasions, I cannot honestly see how any such thing as the Christian Right can exist.

The two are mutually exclusive.

Jesus healed the sick, taught that "love of money is the rool of all kinds of evil",taught the correct way to love your fellow human beings, and royally pissed off the corrupt religious establishment of his day.

Those traits automatically put him at odds with the majority of the leaders of the so-called Christian Right.

Wayne no need to worry I'm actually not worked up and I am actually relatively agnostic myself, BUT I also recognize that religion does a lot for a lot of people and that religion is not to blame for most violence. At least not with Christianity, as it dpesn't sanction violence--although some other religions do. I'd blame alcohol and other drugs as well as people who don't control themselves, cultures that aren't civil. There are millions of reasons.

You go way outside the box after this and I don't know what to think after that. I mean, yes religions and political parties can do bad things, but even cultures can fight one another, but I still woudln't want to live in a world of no culture--although liberal globalists would.

As for organized political parties and anti-Semitism being tools to manipulate, contorl, anything can be but parties are simply groups of people and are tools necessary to organize. They would form naturally again if you banned them.

As for Gloria Steinem, I can't stnad people like her and I think she was very divisive. Men and women survive together, no need for radical feminism.

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"A Liberal is someone who refuses to take his own side in a fight".

-Robert Frost

Anything can exist.....I guess they believe they are redeeming themselves by working hard...? It's jsut how they think, present themselves.....good luck changing their minds, that is hard, but they are a breath of fresh air if you want to find people who think outside of the box compared to the liberal establishment......still won't vote for them though.

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"A Liberal is someone who refuses to take his own side in a fight".

-Robert Frost

Check out this article on how the neo-conservatives have joined forces with the Christian Dominionist movement in the US with the ultimate intent to subvert democracy and install a theocratic, fundamentalist Christian state run strictly on religious rules derived from the Bible.<Br><br> The neo-cons are followers of the University of Chicago philosopher Leo Strauss (now deceased) and occupy many prominent positions within the Bush administration and may not be particularly religiously inclined themselves, but they are evidently putting into practice the principles taught by Strauss. (For more on the neocons see <a href="http://www.tvnewslies.org/html/pnac.html">www.tvnewslies.org/html/pnac.html</A>)<br><Br> Strauss believed in an anti-democratic and Machiavellian "the end justifies the means" form of government in which the government would be run by an elite class operating in secret and not subject to the same laws and moral principles governing the people. This governing class of elites must be prepared to use whatever means necessary to achieve their ends. The use of "noble" lies and the use of religion by this elite class of rulers to propagandize and control the population were some of the methods advocated by Strauss.<Br><br> Here are some snips from the article <B>The Despoiling of America</b> by Katherine Yurica of <a href="http://www.yuricareport.com">www.yuricareport.com</a><br><br> <b>The First Prince of the Theocratic States of America</b><br><br> It happened quietly, with barely a mention in the media. Only the Washington Post dutifully reported it. And only Kevin Phillips saw its significance in his new book, American Dynasty. On December 24, 2001, Pat Robertson resigned his position as President of the Christian Coalition.<br><br> Behind the scenes religious conservatives were abuzz with excitement. They believed Robertson had stepped down to allow the ascendance of the President of the United States of America to take his rightful place as the head of the true American Holy Christian Church.<br><br> Robertson’s act was symbolic, but it carried a secret and solemn revelation to the faithful. It was the signal that the Bush administration was a government under God that was led by an anointed President who would be the first regent in a dynasty of regents awaiting the return of Jesus to earth. The President would now be the minister through whom God would execute His will in the nation. George W. Bush accepted his scepter and his sword with humility, grace and a sense of exultation.<br><br> As Antonin Scalia, Associate Justice of the Supreme Court explained a few months later, the Bible teaches and Christians believe “…<i> that government …derives its moral authority from God. Government is the ‘minister of God’ with powers to ‘revenge,’ to ‘execute wrath,’ including even wrath by the sword…</i>”<br><br> George W. Bush began to wield the sword of God’s revenge with relish from the beginning of his administration, but most of us missed the sword play. I have taken the liberty to paraphrase an illustration from Leo Strauss, the father of the neo-conservative movement, which gives us a clue of how the hiding is done:<br><br> <i> “One ought not to say to those whom one wants to kill, ‘Give me your votes, because your votes will enable me to kill you and I want to kill you,’ but merely, ‘Give me your votes,’ for once you have the power of the votes in your hand, you can satisfy your desire.”</i><br><br> Notwithstanding the advice, the President’s foreign policy revealed a flair for saber rattling. He warned the world that “nations are either with us or they’re against us!” His speeches, often containing allusions to biblical passages, were spoken with the certainty of a man who holds the authority of God’s wrath on earth, for he not only challenged the evil nations of the world, singling out Iraq, Syria, Iran, and North Korea as the “axis of evil,” but he wielded the sword of punishment and the sword of revenge against his own people: the American poor and the middle class who according to the religious right have earned God’s wrath by their licentiousness and undisciplined lives.<br><br> To the middle class he said, “I’m going to give you clear skies clean air and clean water,” then he gutted the environmental controls that were designed to provide clean air and water. The estimated number of premature deaths that will result: 100,000. He said to the poor and to the middle class: “I’m going to give you a prescription drug program, one that you truly deserve.” Then he gave the drug industry an estimated $139 billion dollars in increased profits from the Medicare funds and arranged for the poorest of seniors to be eliminated from coverage, while most elderly will pay more for drugs than they paid before his drug benefit bill passed. After that he arranged for the dismantling of the Medicare program entirely, based on the method outlined by his religious mentors. He said to the people of America, “I’m going to build a future for you and your children,” then he gutted their future with tax breaks to the rich and a pre-emptive war against Iraq, and the largest spending deficit in history.<br><br> This article is the documented story of how a political religious movement called Dominionism gained control of the Republican Party, then took over Congress, then took over the White House, and now is sealing the conversion of America to a theocracy by taking over the American Judiciary. It’s the story of why and how “the wrath of God Almighty” will be unleashed against the middle class, against the poor, and against the elderly and sick of this nation by George W. Bush and his army of Republican Dominionist “rulers.”<br><br> SNIP<br><br> <b>A Machiavellian Religion Was Born</b><br><br> American Christianity had already seen extremes. For Dominionists, perhaps the single most important event in the last half of the twentieth century occurred when the Reverend Jim Jones proved that the religious would follow their leader to Guyana and even further, to their deaths. That fact could hardly have escaped the notice of even the dullest of politically minded preachers.<br><br> Indeed, Jim Jones’ surreal power over his congregants leaps out from the grave even today. If a man desired to change the laws in America—to undo Franklin Delano Roosevelt’s New Deal for instance, and allow corporations the unbridled freedom they enjoyed prior to the Great Depression (which included the freedom to defraud, pillage, and to destroy the land with impunity on the way to gathering great fortunes), what better way to proceed than to cloak the corruption within a religion? If a few men wanted to establish an American empire and control the entire world, what better vehicle to carry them to their goal than to place their agenda within the context of a religion? Jim Jones proved religious people would support even immoral political deeds if their leaders found a way to frame those deeds as “God’s Will.” The idea was brilliant. Its framers knew they could glorify greed, hate, nationalism and even a Christian empire with ease.<br><br> The religion the canny thinkers founded follows the reverse of communism and secular humanism, it poured political and economic ideology into a religion and that combustible mixture produced “Dominionism,” a new political faith that had the additional advantage of insulating the cult from attacks on its political agenda by giving its practitioners the covering to simply cry out, “You’re attacking me for my religious beliefs and that’s religious persecution!”<br><br> But how could a leader get away with a religious fraud that barely hides its destructive and false intent?<br><br> Jim Jones’s history holds the answer. He not only proved the obvious fact that people are blinded by their religious beliefs and will only impute goodness, mercy, and religious motivations to their leader, but Jim Jones proved the efficacy of the basic teaching of Machiavelli: a leader must only appear to have the qualities of goodness—he need not actually possess those attributes.<br><br> SNIP<br><br> Strauss’s teaching incorporated much of Machiavelli’s. Significantly, his philosophy is unfriendly to democracy—even antagonistic. At the same time Strauss upheld the necessity for a national religion not because he favored religious practices, but because religion in his view is necessary in order to control the population. Since neo-conservatives influenced by Strauss are in control of the Bush administration, I have prepared a brief list that shows the radical unchristian basis of neo-conservatism. I am indebted to Shadia Drury’s book (Leo Strauss and the American Right) and published interviews for the following:<br><br> First: Strauss believed that a leader had to perpetually deceive the citizens he ruled.<br><br> Secondly: Those who lead must understand there is no morality, there is only the right of the superior to rule the inferior.<br><br> Thirdly: According to Drury, Religion “is the glue that holds society together.” It is a handle by which the ruler can manipulate the masses. Any religion will do. Strauss is indifferent to them all.<br><br> Fourthly: “Secular society…is the worst possible thing,” because it leads to individualism, liberalism, and relativism, all of which encourage dissent and rebellion. As Drury sums it up: “You want a crowd that you can manipulate like putty.”<br><br> Fifthly: “Strauss thinks that a political order can be stable only if it is united by an external threat; and following Machiavelli, he maintains that if no external threat exists, then one has to be manufactured.”<br><br> Sixthly: “In Strauss’s view, the trouble with liberal society is that it dispenses with noble lies and pious frauds. It tries to found society on secular rational foundations.”<br><br> Here's the link to the complete article. After clicking the link, scroll down to see the article. <A HREF="http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/TheDespoilingOfAmerica.htm">The Despoiling of America</A>

"but they are a breath of fresh air if you want to find people who think outside of the box compared to the liberal establishment."

I dont see any "thinking outside the box" coming from these right wingers, they want to put us back in time and take away rights which people have fought and died for. People know its time for real change, and in the future people like you will be looked on as the anal retentive tools of slavemasters.

Canada was built by white Christians. - Perturbed<br />
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There is a pretty good essay on the indigenous movements happening in Central and South America here:<br />
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<a href="http://resistandrebuild.blogspot.com/">http://resistandrebuild.blogspot.com/</a> <br />
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(half way down entitled 'Indigenous Movement')<br />
You may want to remember that Aboriginal peoples were and still are the founders of Canada.<br />
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You also said: religion is not to blame for most violence.<br />
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Actually organized religion has been one of the principle means to perpetuate violence and colonialism for a long time. When the good old white christians that you were talking about earlier came to "build the country," what you are actually talking about is the illegal theft of lands and resources from aboriginal peoples, the intentional commitment of genocide, and the subsequent justification for these crimes based on organized religion.<br />
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I believe whole hartedly in spirituality and am not a rabid secularist who refuses to talk about the meaningfulness of life. I do not, however, agree with centrally organized religion.

This pretty much sums it all up ,“You want a crowd that you can manipulate like putty.” Thus is why political parties and religious groups work. There is something about a gang mentality and the need to control people.

We will most likely see an increase in the Canadian missionary movement, so look forward to a lot of in your face conservative right winged bible thumping. They elected Bush and look at the animal their god unleashed there. For every one good story you can tell me about religion , I can tell you 10 bad and they related to abuse, rape and death all were tried to be covered up.

You can say these sins / wrongs were done not by religion , but a bad person who used religion, ever the less many knew full well what was taking place in those native schools , orphanages and there not enough time to list the wars fought in the name of religion. Just look at this latest deal that is taking place between the Muslims and Christians with respect to the cartoons , all being fuelled because one religious group wishes to mock another religious group, both shedding blood and death.

The religious war in Ireland , I am convinced Iraq too is a war being fought now over religion and oil, you know we do not like this planet , we are truly out to destroy it. Some God , Some plan .

It is time people started to think for themselves.

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Good government is not a party government