Visible Minorities To Top 50% In Toronto, Vancouver By 2017

Let's simplify things for those who don't understand the argument against multiculturalism and immigration.

For centuries, Europeans built a nation called Canada. It was relatively homogenized, which gave it considerable strength. The only outstanding issues were native rights; and the French vs. the English.

Pierre Trudeau, to weaken the French position (and thereby hoping to stem a growing separatist movement), introduced multiculturalism and opened our borders to the third world.

This resulted in a number of problems. The French felt more threatened in terms of their cultural existance, and responded with a cultural fanatacism reminiscent of recent Serbian politics. The English who disliked these policies were branded racist.

Gradually, the old English (and European) culture base became diluted as taxpayer money was spent to promote the immigration of those from third world countries. This is a catastrophe, because Canada cannot hope to absorb the world's teeming millions and millions of desperately poor individuals. They want what we have, and they're getting it. 40 million Mexicans in the US can't be wrong.

Furthermore, once 3rd world immigrants arrive, the previously accepted concept of assimilation is branded as racist. Thus enclaves of (mostly) non-English and non-French speaking communities spring up. The old majority feels threatened, and understandably so. Small example -- I live in a complex where no floors or apartments have the number "4" because it is bad luck in Chinese. How far will this go?

Without assimilation we have below-the-surface anarchy as groups compete (often fraudulently) for resources that promote THEIR own culture and agenda. Further taxpayer money is spent guaranteeing their separate existance or fighting the crime many of them bring to Canada (let's not even go into Jamaicans shooting up the streets of Toronto).

There is a huge protectionist movement out there. It's not necessarily racist, but becomes so when your white, Euro-background Canadian merely wants to maintain what he or she had ...and what our grandparents fought for in WWII. It was called the Dominion of Canada and it was a pretty thing. Since then, well, if you think multiculturalism is effective, let's look at that great multicultural monstrosity known as the UN. It's often a farce. The bombings in London are another example of a bleak future staring us straight in the eye.

The thought that Toronto has been consumed with visible minorities, and that Vancouver is being hailed in China as a perfect opportunity (read: colony), terrifies many people.

And one last point -- remember that multiculturalism was never voted upon in our so-called democracy. Free speech on the matter is stifled in the public political arena.

The future does not bode well.

What I find the most amazing about immigration is that immigrants often become more Canadians than most Canadians. They will never challenge the statu-quo and try to take advantage of the system as much as possible. It was often a matter of survival in the country where they come from.

To me that is the biggest threat of immigration, i.e. they become far too canadians and we become a bloated stale country impossible to change. That is irony at its worst.

The other big "threat" that I see in immigration is that it weakens the country that will often lose its best people and the capital these people carry. The situation in the originating country then deteriorates.

As a minority myself, I see no problem being challenged by yet an other majority group, the Fourth Nation (after the First, Second and Third ones). I in fact welcome sharing some of the pain minority groups (First and Second nations)get to experience. It is interesting to notice too that the Third nation becomes more sympathetical to the first two groups when it becomes challenged by a Fourth one.

Was that simple enough?

---
"We are all in this together somehow, some more than others somehow"

Yes, there is no 13th floor in Canadian buildings, what a catastrophe..........

There is a fundamental issue that most people seem to miss in this argument. And that is that people are people. We essentially NEED the same thing-food,clothing, shelter. However,we have different ways of satisfying those needs, some eat cheap, some eat different, some live in homes, some in condos, some rent. We essentially WANT the same things-a decent life. Again, we try to get a decent life in different ways. Unfortunately, when you live in a nation where a few people at the top decide what a decent life is, you get problems. This has NOTHING to do with immigration, after all, this is a HUGE country, with a small population.

The posted article was very interesting, the following reply, as you may have noticed, was all over the place. 2+2=22 kind of logic. The unfortunate thing is that when you have a dictotorial central government, whether it's federal, provincial or municipal, you have no way to even discuss it, and you end up with, well, Canada. In conclusion, anybody who thinks the british heritage of Canada was so great obviously wasn't a labourer, irish, native, welsh, catholic, french, scandinavian, communist, a woman, unemployed or a child.

Hi Gaulois. I think I understand what you mean about immigrants becoming more "Canadian" because often new immigrants REALLY want to fit in. HOWEVER, this has not been happening for a long time, because the waves keep coming in such large numbers that eventually the new outnumber/displace the "Canadians" who they once tried to imitate--in many cases making them wonder what our government was thinking as they never bargained for a largely third world Toronto or Vancouver. They don't know what to think usually--other than "oh well, might as well get rich".

With respect to your "becoming more Canadian" argument, this is still a stretch because someone can dress or talk/act like someone of European descent, but they are ultimately imitating us and will never be people of European descent, with our views of the world, values, customs and so forth. They will always be different.

---
The midget, Bush, and that Rumsfield deserve only to be beaten with shoes by freedom loving people everywhere.

- Mohammed Saeed al-Sahhaf, The Iraqi Informat

Hi Marcarc. I have several rebuttals to your comments. Thanks for posting

"Unfortunately, when you live in a nation where a few people at the top decide what a decent life is, you get problems. This has NOTHING to do with immigration, after all, this is a HUGE country, with a small population."

It does have everything to do with immigration, Marcarc. Every country is dominated from the top. That's just the way it is. We are a big country, but there is very little arable farmland and economic opportunity up north, so people live in cities. Cities are also where most of the immigrants go--especially Toronto and Vancouver, followed by Montreal, Calgary and Edmonton. Vancouver is now over one-third owned by the Chinese--terrifying considering they are a rising power and their Communist government is connected with Triad gangs in Canada. Google "1997 CSIS Sidewinder Report" and you'll see what I mean.

"The posted article was very interesting, the following reply, as you may have noticed, was all over the place. 2+2=22 kind of logic. The unfortunate thing is that when you have a dictotorial central government, whether it's federal, provincial or municipal, you have no way to even discuss it, and you end up with, well, Canada."

It is more complicated than the first post illustrates, but he was right that one of Trudeau's arguments was that replacing the old Canada woudld weaken separatism. Canada has a powerful Prime Minister, but the federal government has been severely weakened over the last few decades, with the provinces winning out.

"In conclusion, anybody who thinks the british heritage of Canada was so great obviously wasn't a labourer, irish, native, welsh, catholic, french, scandinavian, communist, a woman, unemployed or a child."

There are problems in any country, but you are using victimology as usual. The groups you stated are diverse in your opinions, and in many cases did not exist at all--the European immigrants largely integrated into either English or French Canada.

It was not practical to weaken English Canada to serve the others, and you are forgetting that although the terms British or "English" Canada were used, we had (and still have) a different dialect of English, different interests due to living on a different land, possessing different values and so forth. We are under no obligation to be dictated to by minority special interest groups.






---
The midget, Bush, and that Rumsfield deserve only to be beaten with shoes by freedom loving people everywhere.

- Mohammed Saeed al-Sahhaf, The Iraqi Informat

Good post anon, but don't underestimate the influence bankers had on Trudeau's decisions.

Canada has a "protectionist movement"? If you were here, in the U.S., they (liberals), would call you a racist.

I personally am not involved in any movement, but I can tell you that although there are a lot of protectionists both economically and culturally in Canada, they have ZERO political power. Much less so than say the National Front in France, or even German NPD or British National Party.

Aside from Quebec separatists, (which is a whole other kettle of fish not necessarily sincere) English Canadians have no major political party or even minor one which voices a culturally CONSERVATIVE, let alone nationalist perspective.

Economically, the NDP (basically social democrats) has, but they are cultural egalitarian socialists, and the old 1990s-era Reform Party talked about abolishing multiculturalism in 1990, but soon was co-opted and eventually became a different party, the Canadian Alliance, and then the "new" Conservative Party who have an economic George Bush and are afraid to tough cultural issues. They also never were nationalists economically--they favoured North American integration.

I think Canada's proximity to America and American media as well as its young age as a self-governing country has made it harder amd slower to organize any new political force. Also, European countries are so small that the effects of new immigrants are felt much quicker as there is nowhere to run to.



---
The midget, Bush, and that Rumsfield deserve only to be beaten with shoes by freedom loving people everywhere.

- Mohammed Saeed al-Sahhaf, The Iraqi Informat