U. S. Accused Of New Iraq Massacre

Just another justifiable homicide which excludes liability for murder and all criminal liability for the deaths.
No doubt these persons represented an immediate threat to the lives of others, i.e. self-defense. Maybe they ran or maybe they made a wrong move or just maybe they screamed.

These people are growen Adults who know right from wrong. They are very well trained at what they are doing.

Really what are their values, beliefs, ideals personal and religious.

I know one thing I don't want them living next to my family or anyone else's for that matter.

Like the Nazi's they have no apathy, unresponsive or "indifferent" to aspects of emotional, social, or physical life.

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Perception is two thirds of what we perceive reality to be.

Difficult decisions are a privilege of rank.

We should be sensible people, and wait for the investigation to end, before jumping to conclusions.

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Freedom is the right of all sentient beings

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The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing.... : Albert Einstein

The Al-Ishaqi massacre was reported in March on the Peace, Earth, and Justice site (as well as many others. <br />
PEJ reported another massacre at the time as well, which I haven't yet heard about in the mainstream media.<br />
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1. Root and Branch: <br />
American Forces Wipe Out Family<br />
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C. L. Cook<br />
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PEJ News: <a href="http://www.PEJ.org">www.PEJ.org</a> <br />
March 17, 2006<br />
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PEJ News - C. L. Cook - News of just one event in a doubtless eventful military operation was reported by Reuters today. U.S. forces taking part in the so-named, 'Operation Swarmer' entered the home of a suspected al Qaida in Iraq operative, bound his entire family, lined them up and shot them dead. The house containing the bodies was then demolished with explosives.<br />
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Whole article:<br />
<a href="http://www.pej.org/html/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=4373">http://www.pej.org/html/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=4373</a><br />
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2. Radical Evil: <br />
Desperation Time for Bush in Iraq<br />
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C. L. Cook<br />
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PEJ News<br />
March 28, 2006<br />
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"Evil when we are in its power is not felt as evil but as a necessity, or even a duty." - Simone Weil<br />
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It was dusk in Baghdad, and the faithful had gathered at the al-Mustafa mosque for evening prayers, when the soldiers arrived. What happened next is now a point of debate, but what is beyond doubt is: at least 16 Shia Iraqis are dead, killed before the altar, and the Shia majority now represented by a "democratically elected" government, inclined to work with the American occupation are turning away, leaving the Kurds as America's only friends in Iraq.<br />
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Like last month's bombing of the Samarra mosque, resting place of the Imam's Ali al-Naqi and Hasan al-Askari, considered "saints" in Shia Islam, Sunday's attack is seen by many in Iraq as a further attempt to provoke a sectarian war between Sunni and Shia Muslims.<br />
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Whole article:<br />
<a href="http://www.pej.org/html/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=4429&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0">http://www.pej.org/html/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=4429&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0</a> <br />
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This on top of Abu Ghraib, death squads, killing of professors and scientists, and IMF cuts to basic food rations - just to name a few of the daily ongoing atrocities.<br />
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And now Robert Fisk brings an amazing story heard in Syria:<br />
<a href="http://www.counterpunch.org/fisk05062006.html">http://www.counterpunch.org/fisk05062006.html</a> <br />
"One young Iraqi man told us that he was trained by the Americans as a policeman in Baghdad and he spent 70 per cent of his time learning to drive and 30 per cent in weapons training. They said to him: 'Come back in a week.' When he went back, they gave him a mobile phone and told him to drive into a crowded area near a mosque and phone them. He waited in the car but couldn't get the right mobile signal. So he got out of the car to where he received a better signal. Then his car blew up."<br />
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Impossible, I think to myself. But then I remember how many times Iraqis in Baghdad have told me similar stories. <br />
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"There was another man, trained by the Americans for the police. He too was given a mobile and told to drive to an area where there was a crowd - maybe a protest - and to call them and tell them what was happening. Again, his new mobile was not working. So he went to a landline phone and called the Americans and told them: 'Here I am, in the place you sent me and I can tell you what's happening here.' And at that moment there was a big explosion in his car."<br />
Just who these "Americans" might be, my source did not say. In the anarchic and panic-stricken world of Iraq, there are many US groups - including countless outfits supposedly working for the American military and the new Western-backed Iraqi Interior Ministry - who operate outside any laws or rules. No one can account for the murder of 191 university teachers and professors since the 2003 invasion - nor the fact that more than 50 former Iraqi fighter-bomber pilots who attacked Iran in the 1980-88 Iran-Iraq war have been assassinated in their home towns in Iraq in the past three years.<br />

We posted it.<br />
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<a href="http://www.vivelecanada.ca/article.php?story=20060317221354996">http://www.vivelecanada.ca/article.php?story=20060317221354996</a><br />
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No one paid attention.<p>---<br>"I think it's important to always carry enough technology to restart civilization, should it be necessary." Mark Tilden<br />

We can't wait for the U.S. to withdraw from Iraq so that Saddam's hudlums can resume massacring innocent men, women and children.

You people are flaming idiots !! You never report the atrocities committed by Insurgents only un-intended killing of civilians by U.S. soldiers. And you call yourelves "Newsmen". We think your paper should loose its License...if it has one.

Mr. & Mrs. Thomas C. Gandolfo
Covington, Louisiana ~ USA

Murder is murder, regardless who does it.

Or are there ideological excuses when it is done by "our side"?

Such criminal actions, destruction and mass murder, have been committed by all conquering and colonizing armies through history, mostly in the name of some god.

The first Americans I've seen at the end of WW2 stole my watch and fountain pen with a gun pointed at my head. The guys had wristwatches up both their arms, but they have been going around freely in Europe within a few days after WW2 ended, because they behaved in a relatively civilized way and people were sick of war and violence. One could never see a gun, only chocolates in their hands, picking up girls with.

Now, when they go around in Iraq and Afghanistan, they have to be dressed up like Darth Waders, with guns pointed in all directions.

Ed Deak.

The Verdict is out. The American Military have found their men not guilty of any wrong doing. Perhaps now they can cancel the Warrior "morals" training class's. Any society that invades another, can't possibly consider themselves at fault for their actions. Even the American made government in Iraq is disgusted. I guess the Americans will have to train them better. The Iragi have to learn the lesson as to why they have been killed and their country destroyed. It was for their own good and will continue. One may ask if any Iraq regrets not being part of the 911 events. Afterall they are paying for the crime.

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Expect little from life and get more from it.

Lieutenant William Calley who was found guilty of premeditated murder of 22 of the villagers of My Lai 4, in March 1968, commanded the soldiers, along with him, that killed over 500 villagers, including the old, invelids, women, children and babies, including a number of the victims being raped before they were murdered.

Lieutenant William Calley, only served days in Fort Leavenworth, before being transferred back to Fort Benning, where he was placed under house arrest. His sentence was repeatedly reduced. Finally, his sentence was commuted to time served by President Nixon. He was paroled in November, 1974.

Not much info on the rest of his men and there accountability.

The question still remains though will American justice prevail and repeat itself again?

Please explain what will prevent a repeat performance if the information turns out to be true.

At least we all know that the insurgents don't play by rules, so they are meeting the worlds expectations but at the same time one does not preach values, belifes and standards to the world then lowers those same values, belifes and standards just because the enemy dosn't play fair.

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Perception is two thirds of what we perceive reality to be.

Difficult decisions are a privilege of rank.

Mr & Mrs Thomas C. Gandolfo

With all due respect
and without prejudice


By the tone of your kind letter it is painfully obvious the opinion you have graced these pages with shares an equal and opposite bias.

Your President lied and admitted those lies to attack the that &#8220;tried to murder my Daddy&#8221;.

The reasons your military is in Iraq was based on lies
Do you understand that?
Or are you of the &#8216;My country, Right or Wrong, variety?

As Ed Deak pointed out.

Murder is murder, regardless who does it.

Or are there ideological excuses when it is done by "our side"?

I will not presume to tell you how to think or feel, that is between you, your conscience and your particular religious belief system.


When others become &#8216;flaming idiots !!&#8217; for holding opposing views all that remains are your idiot (flaming or not) against other idiots




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The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing.... : Albert Einstein

Not to put to blunt a point on it, but remember THIS:

The US is %100 responsible for Saddam being able to hold power in the first place.

Or do you forget that the US "supported" Iraq in a little brushfire called the Iran-Iraq War during the 1980's?

You DO remember that, do you not?

Where EXACTLY do you think he got his equipment and advisors from? Take a history refresher before shooting your mouth off next time, it'll save you a lot of embarrassment.

Your troops are dying for NOTHING.

Get it through your head.

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"and the knowledge they fear is a weapon to be used against them"

"The Weapon" - Rush

Mass Murder as PR Problem<br />
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The Haditha Massacre was Inevitable<br />
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<a href="http://www.counterpunch.org/mickey06022006.html">http://www.counterpunch.org/mickey06022006.html</a><br />
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By MICKEY Z.<br />
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The Haditha Massacre

<p>There’s a great deal of truth in Mickey’s article, although I disagree with his thesis that “Every human has her or his Mỹ Lai hidden someplace.”; what kind of Mỹ Lai does he believe dwells within the breast of a preschooler?</p> <p>Karl Jaspers distinguished several types of culpability in trying to determine the extent of the responsibility of the German people for the acts of the Third Reich; I think that I’ll schedule a reading assignment and a period of reflection for myself in the near future.</p> <p>---<br>Shatter your ideals upon the rock of Truth.<br />
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— The Divine Symphony, by Inayat Khan<br />

I would like to know if this is true or if this soldier just suffered from shock. If it is true (it would not surprise me, especially as the US Army is recruiting level 4 and lower now.), heads need to roll.<br />
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<a href="http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/36899/">http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/36899/</a><p>---<br>My freedom is more important than your great idea.<br />
– Anonymous