UPS Vs Canada Post: NAFTA Chapter 11

If this makes Canada Post faster at delivering packages than it's a good thing.

If this makes health care faster at delivering services than it's a good thing.

The full weight of the socialistic left will be brought to bear on this.

Um. So why isn't UPS complaining about the USPS? Is the US postal service somehow not publicly funded?

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Canadians are asking, why do americans hate us? They hate our freedoms: our freedom of religion, our freedom of speech, our freedom to disagree with each other.

"The United States Postal Service® is an independent establishment of the Executive Branch of the United States Government"

That is from their website. It would be too obvious if they went after their own. So they go after Canadians hoping that their government will back them like over Softwood and wheat.

Scrap NAFTA!!! I`ve been saying for a while now that this will also kill public health care. But the people`s complacency, along with the neglect by politicians such as Jack Layton (the guy who should be speaking up the loudest against this) is very confusing. But I guess I give people a headache and am just too far off in left field to make any sense- Tommy Douglas being the greatest Canadian and all.

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Dave Ruston

I don't think health care is in any danger of disappearing, not now anyway.

I do think that Jack Layton is a bit weak, but perhaps he realizes that saying nothing is better than giving the Canwest and Bell Globemedia papers an excust to smear him. I think the NDP is more conscious of their image, however bad it is--and they don't want to be seen as radical......but they've tried that for a while, haven't they....

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The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter --

Winston Churchill

Exactly....and our politicians knew damn well that FTA/NAFTA was imperialism...if Canadian or Mexican corporations started succeeding in court against the U.S. government--the U.S. would scrap NAFTA and try something else.

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The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter --

Winston Churchill

UPS is not complaining about USPS because under NAFTA guidelines they cannot sue their own government; they can only sue foreign governments. Likewise, CanPar (Canada Parcel) could sue the US government concerning USPS but CanPar could not sue the Canadian government.

Any win by UPS would not speed up mail delivery but would, rather, disrupt mail delivery.

As for health care being privatised there may be better service but there are costs associated with this. Those without insurance would be the ones truly paying for health care - with their health and, possibly, lives.

I do not know how anyone could argue that it is a good thing to have a foreign company decide what Canadians should do with their tax money. Our sovereignty is being tied to a foreign corporation's economic autonomy.

<blockquote>UPS is not complaining about USPS because under NAFTA guidelines they cannot sue their own government; they can only sue foreign governments. Likewise, CanPar (Canada Parcel) could sue the US government concerning USPS but CanPar could not su the Canadian government.</blockquote> <p> The stupidity of NAFTA never ceases to amaze me. Isn't it meant to level thre playing field instead of just providing more opportunities to abuse the system? (rhetorical question). </p> <p>---<br>Canadians are asking, why do americans hate us? They hate our freedoms: our freedom of religion, our freedom of speech, our freedom to disagree with each other.

jvanherk regarding your signiture: <blockquote>Canadians are asking, why do americans hate us? They hate our freedoms: our freedom of religion, our freedom of speech, our freedom to disagree with each other.</blockquote> I would add "our freedom to disagree with them"

GO TEAM GO!

So the Council of Canadians -- always the most well-intentioned of people -- have finally figured a way to direct action? Good on them! I hope they do more than ruffle a few feathers. How would Mulroney's greatest legacy stand to history if it was found to be illegal? Laughingstock!

Now, if only the Taxpayers lobby groups could find a way to do the same to the GST!

G

Exactly!

Really, when you look at this why should tax payers pay for a corporations complaints against their government? We should be suing the government officials, (i.e. Mulroney), personally for leaving this option open in the first place!

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"Yeah, well, [Mr. President] we used all five fingers because that's the way our mittens are made." Antonia Zerbisias

The interesting thing is that the original trade agreenment between Canada and the US (FTA) did not include the Chapter 11 clause (allowing foreign corporations to sue governments). This was added in when NAFTA (Canada, US and Mexico). To further complicate things NAFTA is giving birth to the Free Trade Agreement of the Americas (FTAA) which includes all of North, South and Central America except Cuba. The FTAA will include a similar clause but the trade agreement will expand to include virtually everything that could be used for economic gains (including, but not limited to, health care, education, and - because I am a Manitoban who prefers Autopac to private auto insurance - insurance).

Who, in their right mind, would allow a foreign company decide how it is that a government can squander the rights of its citizens? No one would want to allow a foreign government dictate the governmental process. It is ironic that, in this case, it is Americans because they had their revolutionary war (no taxation without representation).

So, kudos to those acting in the best interests of freedom and Canadian sovereignty. Make the US buck stop here.