Statscan Threatens Prosecution Of Census Boycotters

Hahahahahahahahaha! Looks like a lot of people can't be bothered to report themselves to the ignorant twats at Stats Canada, hahaha! Prosecutions? Really? Exactly how much of my tax dollar needs to be wasted on this stupidity? How about this? We get rid of Stats Can, cut all public funding to Stats Can. What's next? All census refusers will be fined and jailed, as an example to those who may in the future decide not to bend over and take it up the ass like a good slave?

Nobody from Stats Can or the Feds have responded to the one question I keep asking: Why do you need to know my name? How many people in the house, yes of course, to get a population count etc. Ages of people, yes, to know schools to be built, senior services etc. My sex? Serves no purpose. My name? Serves no purpose. As it sits currently, the census is nothing more than a data mining exercise paid for by the Canadian tax payer for the benifit of private corporations. Now it seems that Stats Can is getting frustrated and desperate. If you have a video camera and/or voice recorder then make sure you turn them on whenever you have an "encounter," with Stats Can. I have had nobody show up to my humble abode yet but when they do my wife will be getting the meeting on camera and it will be going up on UTube or Google video. Stats Can will not be told they are being recorded, any shit they spew will be put onto the web and sent to the TV media in my home town. I cannot fathom who these assholes think they are to waste my tax dollar on the continued push to get people to fill out the census, just give up, piss off, fuck off and go away, get a life Stats Can. I wonder how many times they will knock on my door when we go away for our 5 week summer holiday? Will they post a guard? The census is over, take what info you have and go away and stop spending my tax dollars you ignorant pricks.

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My freedom is more important than your great idea.
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Just a question to someone on this site who I think the CBC needs to give a show to, Mr. Deak in BC, are you refusing to fill out the census as well? I have livestock and am wondering if Stats Can gets a bit more arsey with people like me.

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My freedom is more important than your great idea.
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I have not refused to fill in the questions on the short forms, as I considered them legitimate for government purposes. They should know how many people in certain areas for transfer payments for one thing.

But I refused to fill in the additional questions on the long form we received, as the questions had nothing to do with any legitimate census. E.g. How much we spend on heating and electicity, rents etc.going on for pages? These were invasions on privacy and I told them so and also to tell Lockheed Martin to go to hell. With these exact words.

On the farm questionnaire, I filled in all the questions to show what individual small farmers/ranchers have to put up with, while the governments are working diligently to put us out of business, so that the multinational agribiz companies can take over our lands.

Of course, this will only give them and brainwashed economists and politicians to advocate the elimination of "inefficient" Canadian agriculture, but they're doing it anyway.

As far I'm concerned, having investigated some of StatsCan figures some years ago, they're worthless. E.g They admitted at one point that the machinery from factories closed down by the FTA and NAFTA, being taken out of the country, count as "machinery exports" and become part of the GDP. Especially when they were made by long ruined Canadian manufacturers.

Nowadays when I see something made in Canada I just about faint.

As far their unemployment figures are concerned, I believe the doubling, or tripling of them.

Ed Deak, Big Lake, BC.

watch out Ed, CSIS will be calling you Edwawa bin Deaken, and want to bring you in.

I wished Canadians would have sent a strong message about using a U.S. defense contractor to take our personal data, but with 90% signing on in Ontario, it looks like we are the sheep we always are and are happily signing up to be sheared.

Sgt.....I've bee sentenced to death by the nazis and saved by the end of the war, to the gulags by the communists, but by that time I was in England, thanks to the Attlee boys, so might as well go the full circle, proving that they're all the same under different names.

Cheers, Ed.

This is the point where people have to decide whether they are willing to face prosecution or fill in their form now and try to avoid it. Many people who have contacted us are still only filling in their name and the number of people in their household etc (the bare minimum). If you do decide to fill in the form now, minimally or completely, please make sure you still point out your opposition to Lockheed Martin's involvement by noting your reasons for boycotting in the comments section of the form, sending the form letter we provide here on Vive if you haven't already (<a href="http://census.vivelecanada.ca/letter.php">http://census.vivelecanada.ca/letter.php</a>), and by contacting your own MP.<br />
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If you do continue to refuse and are charged, the important thing to do at that point is to make sure you make a stink--contact Vive, contact your local media, and if you can, arrange your own legal help to contest the charges. This will make your personal charges more effective in getting attention paid to the actual issue by the public at large, and hopefully, help make a difference.<p>---<br>"When I told him about class warfare, he asked if we did it in JellO."--translation/paraphrase, The Candidate, CBC<br />

Apparently I can't even get arrested in this town. Or threatened with arrest.

They did try to intimidate Mrs. Rev when I was in Saskatchewan. They called her up on Saturday, July 1. At least somebody claiming to be them did...obviously not a government employee or anybody who works for a Canadian contractor. She promised them that she was going out for the day, since it was Canada Day.

Nothing since.

"As far I'm concerned, having investigated some of StatsCan figures some years ago, they're worthless. E.g They admitted at one point that the machinery from factories closed down by the FTA and NAFTA, being taken out of the country, count as "machinery exports" and become part of the GDP. Especially when they were made by long ruined Canadian manufacturers."

You have a source for that? I ask because I am writing a paper right now on foreign ownership and FTA - NAFTA, and that's a solid point to present.

Thanks for any reply.

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If there was ever a time for Canadians to become pushy - now is the time - for time is running out on this nation called Canada.

I have watched the debate and actions regarding the census with interest over the last few months and thought I would add a little information to the mix that some may not be aware off. First let me say that I am not overly concerned with the distant possibility of Lockeed Martin obtaining or releasing census information to the U.S., not because I think its not possible or because its appropriate, but because if any one thinks that our personal information is not shared between governments, insurance companies and the like, or that our emails and phone conservations are not at times monitored (by the U.S. and others) is dreaming in Technicolor, it is a fact of our modern society even if undesirable. I am of the group that says if you have nothing to hide why get excised about video surveillance, airline fly lists and the like. I agree with the actions of some of the previous posters that the long form (which for the first time in 30 years we did not receive) IS intrusive and SHOULD be optional, although the agricultural return does give much interesting information for researchers and highlights the diminishing farm sector.<br />
Having said that I must point out that there is a valid use of the data that has not been mentioned in these pages. As an amateur genealogist I am aware that without the early census information the tracing of family histories and one ancestors becomes all but impossible. As it currently stands this information is released to the public after aprox 100 years have elapsed and for all intense and purposes contains the names ALL individuals in the area where it was taken. If as is now the case we are permitted to withhold our permission for release of that information or fail to give the basic name & birth dates then you ancestors will be unable to trace their heritage. Some of you may not consider this important but I suggest that if we were all more aware of our ancestry which in many cases spans several continents or races then perhaps we would realize just how small a world it is.<br />
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For those that want to see what is available online see the following…..<br />
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1881 census Canada & England <br />
<a href="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=census/search_census.asp">http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=census/search_census.asp</a><br />
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1851, 1871 – 1901, 1910 census of Canada<br />
<a href="http://www.collectionscanada.ca/archivianet/index-e.html">http://www.collectionscanada.ca/archivianet/index-e.html</a><br />
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Statscan information from 1996, 2001, 2006 census.<br />
<a href="http://ceps.statcan.ca/english/census01/home/index.cfm">http://ceps.statcan.ca/english/census01/home/index.cfm</a><br />
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I think it is important to have this information but agree that we must try and protect personal information of living persons as much as possible. I hope that those who have reservations will consider supplying just their names and birth dates which lets face it are already in various data banks such as drivers license, health card etc etc. Also do not beat up on the folks that come to your door, for the most part they are just folks hired to get the information and have no control over the bureaucracy that runs things.<br />
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<p>---<br>When you are up to your ass in alligators it is difficult to remember that the initial objective was to drain the swamp

I think the last comment misses a key point. It addresses the fear of Canadian information being in the hands of the U.S., which I think is more serious than "it's a part of our modern world," which is flawed reasoning, as surveillance and tapping of information aren't "necessities" anymore than knowing one's genealogy is. These programs are things created by and legislated by people, we are not passive automatons accepting dictates from on high. The modern world has existed without governments spying on their citizens, so it follows that it can continue to exist that way. This doesn't serve some adaptive purpose or conform to some scientific law. No one should be fooled into thinking that this is part of some evolution in human society.
However, the more important point that was not addressed, and that is never addressed by the government workers over the phone or on their public relations site is the fact that a company that profits from manufacturing weapons is now developing software to collect Canadian information. Anyone who doesn't appreciate the way these weapons turn other humans into something resembling hamburger need only to search for pictures or better yet, visit a warzone, to see the wares of Lockheed Martin. Sure, they make lots of different goods, but they also profit from death ("bringing freedom" in Newspeak) and it's a matter of where we draw the line on our individual level of complicity. If one looks at recent Canadian history, our government has blood dripping from it's hands. This is unacceptable in a "democratic" society.

- “Henry, what are you doing in there?” Thoreau replied, “Waldo, the question is what are you doing out there?”

The RCMP has advised Anyone suspecting a fake census worker should not divulge personal information. It seems there is a scam going on. <br />
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Here is the article: RCMP probe census scam<br />
<a href="http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Canada/2006/07/22/1697394-sun.html">http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Canada/2006/07/22/1697394-sun.html</a><p>---<br>These days, if you are not confused, you are not thinking clearly. Mrs. Irene Peters