Red Tories Vs. Right Wingers

Posted on Friday, November 14 at 12:20 by sthompson
For Grant, John Diefenbaker's rise and fall represented the last gasp of the kind of indigenous conservatism that had given rise to those national institutions designed to prevent Canada from being sucked into the commercial and political hegemony of the United States. For Grant, Diefenbaker represented the last leader to embody the kind of Toryism that had created the Canadian Pacific Railway, the CBC, the provincially owned Ontario Hydro and a host of other institutions whose purpose was to build up the industrial, social, and economic infrastructure of the northern part of North America. The aim of these state-sponsored exercises in institution building was to construct a more orderly and pluralistic society than the melting-pot republic under the Stars and Stripes. In Grant's estimation, this trajectory of Canadian history resulted in some overlap between conservatism and socialism. The indigenous conservatism of northern North America produced a very different kind of political culture than that of the United States. Among our neighbours to the south, conservatism became associated with the melting pot monoculturalism of E Pluribus Unum and with the deep distrust of public government as an instrument of positive social advancement. For Grant there were layers and layers of meaning in the media-led assault on Diefenbaker, who had refused the Americans permission to place nuclear weapons on Canadian soil. This assault revealed, for instance, the pro-Stars and Stripes bias of key elites, not only in the communications industry, but in many other agencies essential to the success or failure of Canadian democracy. It revealed, Grant argued, the elaborate links between the country's ruling class and the Liberal Party of Canada. For Grant and for many other like-minded Red Tories including, for instance, Stephen Leacock, Senator Eugene Forsey, John Farthing, and historians W.L Morton and Donald Creighton, The Liberal Party's historical mission has been to advance the economic and political integration of Canada into the United States. The other side of this same continentalist coin has been to dissolve and downgrade the constitutional ties linking Canada with Great Britain. According to Grant the elites' harsh attacks on the Dief the Chief, the PC's legendary, left-leaning prairie populist, exposed the ultimate futility of efforts to maintain not only Canadian conservatism, but all types of indigenous political culture not consistent with the unbounded commercialization and commodification unleashed on the world in the ongoing course of the American Revolution. In this revolutionary scheme, corporate conglomerates would come to dominate the republic's most privileged political turf once they combined the grant of public power derived from their charters with their legal recognition as "natural persons." After this innovation was set in place, the power of human persons would increasingly be subordinated to the superior force of corporate persons in most arenas including the market, litigation, and political influence peddling. This ascent of corporate power to the pinnacles of influence in the polity which emerged from the liberal side of the American Revolution was one aspect of the process of historical change outlined in the political philosophy of George Grant. As Grant saw it in 1965, the rise of the United States to worldwide pre-eminence would inevitably expand the secular religion of unfettered technological change linked with deregulation and capitalism's inevitable drive towards total privatization of every facet of the remaining global commons. The privatization by the US-based biotechnology industry of the very genetic basis of life's renewal re enacts on a microscopic level the same sort of insanity which once saw the Vatican and European sovereigns grant patents of ownership and jurisdiction to thickly-inhabited countries in the Western Hemisphere, Africa, Asia, and Australasia. Like patents of ownership in life forms, these earlier patents of imperial rule were based on dubious doctrines of "discovery." The assertion of the rights of so-called intellectual property in life forms represents an extended frontier in the ascent of corporate persons over human persons in the law and politics of the United States and its informal empire. Since the Second World War especially, this ascent of corporate rights over human rights, money power over people power, provided the predominant subtext for the rise of the superpower in an era when the European empires were being dismantled. This process entered a new phase of globalization with efforts to react to the demise of the Soviet superpower by retooling the Bretton Woods organizations to produce a new set of supranational agencies such as the World Trade Organization, the Asia-Pacific Economic Co-operation Area, and the North American Free Trade Authority. The prophetic quality of George Grant's Lament for a Nation was demonstrated in 1988 when Brian Mulroney, the first, long-serving PC prime minister after John Diefenbaker, outflanked the Liberal Party of Canada in advancing the process of continental integration in the form of the so-called Free Trade Agreement (FTA). In January of 1994 the FTA was extended to Mexico in the name of NAFTA, the North American Free Trade Trade Agreement. By entering into these commercial treaties the PC government of Brian Mulroney abandoned the heritage of John A. Macdonald. Mulroney opted instead to outdo the party of former Rockefeller adviser, Mackenzie King, at its own continentalist game. Under Mulroney, the PCs became the party of Liberals in a hurray, the party of accelerated movement towards deeper integration with the United States. In October of 2003, PC leader Peter MacKay took this assault on indigenous conservatism one step further. In direct violation of a written contract with PC leadership candidate, David Orchard, MacKay agreed to fold the party of Macdonald, Borden, and Diefenbaker into a political consortium dominated by the Alliance Party of Canada. The outcome of this media-driven scheme to "unite the right" is to replace the Toryism rooted in the conservatism of the United Empire Loyalists with a clone of the neoliberalism which passes for conservatism in the United States. Accordingly, the party of indigenous conservatism in Canada is being terminated to make way for the ascent of a party to be dominated by the US version of conservatism. The very idea an authentic and deeply-rooted conservatism in the United States is problematic given that the country emerged from a revolt against conservative elements in Great Britain and the Anglo-American colonies. Many of the English-speaking conservatives who opposed the American revolutionaries fled to what remained of British North America after 1783. For the most part, they were successful in grafting their communities onto the older polities of the Indigenous peoples and the canadiens, the makers of the original partnership that had given rise to Canada in its first, fur-trade incarnation. Thus the United Empire Loyalists chose to follow the French-Aboriginal lead in maintaining their connection with the British Crown rather than to join anti-Tory revolt centred in the Thirteen Colonies. One result of this most formative stage of North American history is that the so-called conservatism of the likes of Barry Goldwater, Newt Gingrich and Pat Robertson-- bearers of the kind of ideology that the Reform and Alliance parties of Canada was designed to ape and emulate-- is absolutely antagonistic to the indigenous conservatism of Canada, a country which emerged from the Tory, Aboriginal and French Canadian sides of the American Revolution. It would be hard to overstate, therefore, the negative ramifications of the MacKay-Harper accord for the possibility of perpetuating a decent and historically-grounded basis of Canadian nationalism. It would be hard to overstate the dire consequences of terminating the primary institution, the Progressive Conservative Party, which countered American Manifest Destiny by transforming the largest part of Canada from a fur trade preserve into a viable nation state. So extreme are the implications of the Alliance Party's ingestion of the PC Party that one could speculate that the real merger being prepared, is a merger of Canada with the United States. What other scenario might we expect from a project aimed at replacing one of Canada's most important founding institutions with a party of ideas and values imported from the United States? Why not suspect the covert involvement in this initiative of the superpower, a polity whose undercover agents routinely work with local collaborators to influence the course of domestic affairs in virtually every country on earth? Why not suspect the worst of this scheme, one whose goal is to channel mainstream opposition to the Liberals, historically the party of continental integration, towards a party of right wing extremism seeking even more complete absorption of Canada into the economic, political and military orbits of the United States? The fact that this initiative is so enthusiastically promoted by Alberta's Ralph Klein, an Alliance Party clone whose main platforms in virtually every policy field mimic those of President George W. Bush, speaks volumes about the continentalist undercurrents of this attempt to drown the PC Party and all it represents at the nationalist heart of Canada's indigenous political culture. As I see it, a sharp focus on Aboriginal Affairs best illustrates the vast ideological distance differentiating the US-inspired Alliance Party from the part of the PC Party that is most consistent with the vision of indigenous conservatism espoused by George Grant. This schism, I think, is entirely consistent with the configurations of conflict in the civil war in British North America which has been memorialized as the American War of Independence. As I outline in my volume, The American Empire and the Fourth World, the conflict which gave rise to the emergence of the United States from the British Empire can easily be envisaged as a confrontation between genocidal Indian fighters on the liberal side of the conflict and Tory imperialists who allied their interest with those of First Nations and French-Canadians. The coalition of British imperialists, Montreal-based fur traders, First Nations and French Canadians joined forces after 1776 to defend their various visions of Old World conservatism against the zealous incursions of the so-called New World Order being advanced by the likes of pamphleteer Tom Paine, plantation owner Thomas Jefferson, and the Philadelphia land speculator Benjamin Franklin. While the Anglo American propaganda promoting a revolutionary break with British colonialism did embody some of more advanced strains of Enlightenment thought, when it came to the treatment of Indigenous peoples the government of King George was far more progressive than the Indian fighters who dominated the Continental Congress. The Royal Proclamation of 1763 gave constitutional force to the more enlightened stance of the imperial government on the human rights of Indigenous peoples. The Royal Proclamation is the legal instrument which formalized the integration of Canada, Florida and Grenada into British North America after the Seven Years War, or, as it is tellingly remembered in the United States, the French and Indian War. King George's Proclamation reconstituted as Quebec the St. Lawrence Valley heartland of the canadiens who remained in North America after the conquest of New France. Drawing on the heritage of the Covenant Chain, which connected commercially and diplomatically the governments of the Anglo-American colonies, but especially that of New York, with the Iroquoian-speaking citizens of the powerful Longhouse Confederacy, the British sovereign set aside the largest part of the British North America as a vast Indian reserve and as an economic hinterland of the fur trade interests of Montreal. King George outlined very strict procedures to be followed in the event that any of the Crown's Indian allies should decide to sell parcels of their reserved territory. This provision established the basis for the negotiation of Crown-Aboriginal treaties in Canada. A recent addition to this series of agreements is the Nisga'a Treaty in British Columbia, a deal that was bitterly opposed by the Alliance Party of Canada and by their provincial allies who presently form the BC government. Similarly, the Royal Proclamation of 1763 established the constitutional framework for the agreement with the main body of Inuit in Canada, a treaty which laid the groundwork for the establishment of the new jurisdiction of Nunavut in 1999. As I see it, the Royal Proclamation is a seminal instrument in the development of a central principle of international law. The basis of that principle is that no people can be dispossessed unilaterally of their ancestral territories. Of course the Royal Proclamation was far from a perfect accommodation of the ideals referred to in the terminology of Canada's constitution as Aboriginal and treaty rights. It signified, nevertheless, a significant move by the world's most powerful polity away from the kind of extreme ethnocentrism informing the charters of, for instance, the British East India Company, the Royal African Company, the Massachusetts Bay Company, the Hudson's Bay Company, or the Carolinas Company. By placing limits on his own assertion of sovereign jurisdiction in the British imperial Indian reserve to the rear of the Anglo-American colonies, King George recognized, however imperfectly, that Indigenous peoples were invested with civil, jurisdictional, proprietary and democratic rights. He recognized that that the imperial power of colonizing governments was not absolute; that the principle of Crown sovereignty in British North America would have to be balanced against the ideal of obtaining consent through treaty negotiations with Indigenous peoples for their peaceful co-existence within the British Empire. The Royal Proclamation of 1763 became a symbol of Tory tyranny for some whigs on both sides of the Atlantic. It helped arouse the antagonisms that would eventually coalesce in the string of accusations against King George in The Declaration of Independence. Some saw in the monarch's Proclamation proof that the King was trying to undo the constitutional principles established by the Glorious Revolution of 1688. Thomas Jefferson went much farther, countering the Crown's recognition of Aboriginal title with a theory stating that Anglo-American settlers held their own form of native title. This form of original title he dubbed "allodial title" in 1774 in a pamphlet entitled A Summary View of the Rights of British America. The idea of allodial title, argued Jefferson, went back to the imagined rights of free Saxons in England before their liberties were supposedly constrained by an alien Crown in the Norman conquest. In his theory of allodial title and in his subsequent authorship of large portions of the Declaration of Independence, Jefferson drew heavily on the writings of John Locke. In Two Treatises of Government Locke had assigned North American Indians to the infant stage of humanity. Locke associated this imagined infancy with a state of undisturbed nature before the existence of money and before what he characterized as the improvement of North American lands through the investment of labour by transplanted English farmers. The principles announced to the world in 1776 in the Declaration of Independence, perhaps the most consequential political manifesto ever penned, included a long list of accusations directed squarely at King George. The charges ended with an accusation that was directly connected to the British sovereign's recognition of Aboriginal and treaty rights in the Royal Proclamation of 1763. Jefferson and his peers in the Contental Congess alleged that the King "has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian savages, whose known rule of warfare is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes, and conditions." This pronouncement is, to say the least, a bold contradiction of the principles of universal liberty and equality that rightfully constitute the Declaration's most celebrated ideals. In 1776 the new polity-- the new experiment in human governance-- was ushered into life on the principle that there is no such thing as a legitimate right of Aboriginal self-defence, let alone an Aboriginal right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. In designating indiscriminately all of America's Indigenous peoples as anarchistic savages who must be placed outside the rule of law and outside the framework of universal liberties cited as the very reason for creating the United States, the founders prepared the way for a trajectory of frontier violence in the rise of America from republic, to transcontinental empire, to hemispheric hegemon, to global superpower. The most recent manifestation of this pattern is evidenced in elements of so-called War on Terror, a campaign which would see the so-called 'detainees" of the US military base at Guantanamo Bay Cuba put in the same constitutional no man's land once inhabited by the incarcerated Geronimo and his captured band of Apache resisters. Like Geronimo and scores of other Aboriginal resisters captured in the American Indian wars, the Guantanamo Bay prisoners have been placed outside the framework of both international and domestic law. They have become the most obvious descendants of the merciless Indian savages referred to in the passage of the Declaration of Independence that made provision for the United States to engage in a perpetual War on Savagery, a War on Terror. I attempt to elaborate more fully the details of this historical panorama in _The American Empire and the Fourth World_, a volume that starts with reflections on some of the tensions between empire building and indigenous resistance since the modern era of globalization began in 1492. I continue this narrative in the forthcoming second part of the project entitled _The Bowl With One Spoon_. In working on these texts I have been struck again and again by the consistency of tactics and ideology in the expansion of the United States towards its current status as the world's sole global superpower. This process of expansion saw the United States emerge and grow on Aboriginal territories which formerly were the sites of the North American colonies of Sweden, the Netherlands, France, Spain, Russia, and, of course, Great Britain. This process of incorporating older imperial systems into its own transcontinental empire foreshadowed the process after the Second World War, when the corporate, military and political power of the United States moved decisively into the vacuum of authority created by the dismantling of European empires. As a result, the planet's Indigenous peoples, who collectively make up about three quarters of the world's population, went from so-called decolonization to a global regime of neoliberalism. Accordingly, the small oligarchy which presently dominates the superpower's governing institutions extended their rule to worldwide proportions through a globalized version of the military-industrial complex which first came into existence in the violent westward expansion of the United States into Indian Country. Unlike the empire of the USA's British imperial parent, the laissez-faire empire of the Uniterd States exists informally. In other words, it exists outside the constraints of the rule of law, outside formal legislative enactments of imperial governance like, say, the British North American Act of 1867 which continues to provide Canada with much of its constitutional edifice. This laissez-faire approach in the exercise of power in the global community is mirrored in some of the domestic laws and policies of the United States. It is reflected, for instance, in the fact that there is no ongoing process of treaty negotiations with the First Nations of the United States which resemble the fifty or so treaty negotiations underway in British Columbia to bring that jurisdiction within the framework of the rule of law as articulated by King George in the Royal Proclamation of 1763. The US government, rather, cites the doctrine of conquest as the source of its power over Indians, as the basis of its acquistion of Aboriginal territories, and, increasingly, as the main explanation of its extraordinary power throughout the entire planet. This American infatuation with conquest is becoming especially clear in the Middle East, the predominantly Arab-speaking and Muslim-dominated realm which constitutes the new Indian Country on the most extended frontiers of US control. As I see it, David Orchard, the Saskatchewan farmer who consciously models himself on John Diefenbaker, is presently the prime embodiment in Canada of the kind of indigenous conservatism described by George Grant in _Lament for a Nation_. Orchard gave compelling voice to some of Canadian Toryism's most deeply-rooted convictions in the speech he gave on October 17 condemning Peter MacKay's decision to fold the PC Party into the Alliance Party. In condemning the Alliance Party's extreme, right wing positions, Orchard emphasized especially the ethnocentrism of his opponent's Aboriginal policies. He pointed to the pervasive contempt of Alliance members and of its leader for the ongoing tradition of Crown Aboriginal treaties, instruments which originally arose from the heritage of Tory alliances with First Nations in opposing republican forces in the American War of Independence and in the War of 1812. He pointed to Alliance policies which seek to repeat in the Canadian context prior American efforts to privatize Indian reservations. The US government enforced this push to privatize and eliminate the remaining Indian Country with the Dawes Act of 1887 and with the appropriately titled termination enactments of the 1950s. Alternatively, Tom Flanagan, who was born and educated in the United States, is one of the leading advocates of importing into Canada of some of the main legacies of the American Indian wars. Flanagan is a University of Calgary Political Scientist who is the chief policy advisor to the Alliance leader, Stephen Harper. This professor is the author of First Nations? Second Thoughts, a volume sponsored by the right-wing Donner Canadian Foundation. Upon the volume's completion, the Donner group further rewarded their author by giving Flanagan a prize of $25,000. Throughout the text Flanagan defends those chapters of US and Canadian Indian policy based on the historic paradigm of civilization's ascent over the imagined Aboriginal savagery of North America. He thus defends and promotes all schemes right up to the present day that treat First Nations communities as backward anachronisms whose most positive fate would be to break up and disappear in the natural course of progress. This position Leads Flanagan to laud the Indian residential schools and the various forms of enfranchisement legislation designed with the explicit aim of terminating the distinct existence of Aboriginal societies. These instruments of assimilation were necessary, Flanagan argues, because "the Old World was five thousands years ahead of the New World on the path of civilization." Flangan's text is organized around a critique of the work of the Royal Commission on Aboriginal Peoples (RCAP), whose members recommended renewing the principles of the Royal Proclamation of 1763 in contemporary terms. RCAP's inquiry and conclusions, argues Flanagan, were based on a set of positions which he dubs as the "aboriginal orthodoxy." This so-called aboriginal orthodoxy is allegedly based on the replacement of the ideals of Enlightenment universalism with the vagaries of cultural relativism as first introduced in the anthropology of Franz Boaz. I would argue, however, that it is Tom Flanagan and his constituents in the Alliance Party of Canada who have turned their back on some of the most important ideals of universal justice that animated the century of Enlightenment. Some of these Enlightenment ideals of universal human rights infused the Aboriginal provisions of King George's Royal Proclamation of 1763. Thomas Jefferson responded to the Royal Proclamation's limited recognition of Aboriginal rights with the provision in the Declaration of Independence which excluded the so-called "merciless Indian savages" from the universal liberties and laws of the new republic. This seminal exercise in racial profiling pointed the way to a trajectory in history which would see consistent attempts to counter the ideas and delegitimize the activities of patriots who have defended the indigenous right of all peoples to conserve our own heritage and our own resources in the face of the imperial Manifest Destiny of the superpower. This heritage of resistance to the inroads of imperialism forms the basis of an inclusive Fourth World movement, a movement whose proponents offer the world alternative models of globalization emphasizing biocultural diversity rather than the totalitarian monoculture of universal capitalism.

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  1. Fri Nov 14, 2003 11:27 pm
    <i>Since the Second World War especially, this ascent of corporate rights over human rights,</i><p> The fact that Corporations have similar 'rights' to humans is reprehensible by all standards of capitalism. Sink or swim. As well, the fact that Corporations have those 'rights' minus the right to vote, and the right to be responsible for their actions is just plain wrong.<p> <i>towards a party of right wing extremism seeking even more complete absorption of Canada into the economic, political and military orbits of the United States?</i><p> Huh? Show me where this is the stated policy of the Alliance party.<p> <i>The fact that this initiative is so enthusiastically promoted by Alberta's Ralph Klein, an Alliance Party clone whose main platforms in virtually every policy field mimic those of President George W. Bush,</i><p> I realize that King Ralph is the stated enemy of most people on this board, so I understand that in the authors eyes anything Klein likes must be bad; but considering he has outlasted 45 other provincial and territorial leaders (that 3 per month) with a larger majority government each time and is the longest serving political leader in Canada, I'd like to point out that a) The Reform/Alliance party started in the West and was started after Klein was elected and b) Klein is nothing like Bush. Even that comparison is an affront to your position. Religious, person and political freedoms are flourishing here in Der Reichstag Alberta. We can go out after cerfew with only minimal documentation. We can even critisize King Ralph publically, and I hear Guantanamo Bay is lovely this time of year.<p> I suppose that Celebrity Roast held in Calgary on Wednesday night, where Klein was the roastee, that raised $100,000 for homeless shelters and where Klein announced funding for 200 more shelter beds didn't even show up on your Anti-Capitalist-Pig-Dog Radar, since it wasn't front page news on the CBC.<p> <i>A recent addition to this series of agreements is the Nisga'a Treaty in British Columbia, a deal that was bitterly opposed by the Alliance Party of Canada and by their provincial allies who presently form the BC government.</i><p> Ummmm, excuse me? That's an interesting re-write of history. The treaty was proposed by BC's NDP government, and the referendum was blocked in court by the Liberal opposition and Native Councils alike. The Liberal Government in BC was only just overturned by the Conservatives. The reason why the Conservatives opposed it was never stated, but the reader is left to believe that the unstated motives are racist.<p> From <a href='http://www.mapleleafweb.com/education/spotlight/issue_15/printable.html'>Maple Leaf Web</a><p> It is disinformation spread by the radical left wingers like this that biases the minds of people who believe that when a Liberal Incumbent accuses another party (not one person, but the whole party and no actual facts were given) of being <a href='http://www.reed-elley.com/SPEECH%20-%20Reply%20to%20the%20Throne%20Speech%20-%20February%201,%202001.htm'>"racists and bigots"</a> then the <a href='http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&safe=off&q=define+%22meme%22&btnG=Google+Search'>meme</a> is perpetuated without justification. Accusations by one side only serve to divide Canada. I still don't see what is wrong with having a strong right-wing party. Is not a united Left also not on the agenda? Will this not serve to strengthen Canada?<p> Ok, I've supported my position, I've donned my fireproof suit; Flame away!<p> <p>---<br>"History does not repeat itself, but it does rhyme" Mark Twain

  2. by N Say
    Sat Nov 15, 2003 12:33 am
    Every party in the HoC except the NDP is promoting the \"free-trade\" agreements, which gives Americans the right to by up the country & there\'s absolutely nothing we can do about it. Imagine going down to your local HBC department store where there\'s a 25-35% off sale & that\'s exactly what it\'s like for Americans buying up the country. That\'s part of the platform of the (neo)Conservative Party, the PC party, the Alliance & the \"Liberal\" party.

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    "So many right-wing christians, so few lions." - t-shirt I saw @ school

  3. Sat Nov 15, 2003 2:22 am
    I do think that to have lefties and righties debate is healthy for democracy. But yeah, I must admit, I`m quite far to the left in my political thinking. I do try to analyze all political news in an objective manner. But in paying attention to politics like I do, because I care about Canada, I too, see that right now, the Conservative and Alliance platform is geared toward integration with the USA. Likewise, the Liberals of the last 10 years are also heavily pursuing integration with the USA! The conservatives/alliance are worse, but I`m not optimistic with Paul sweatship Martin taking control. So, we need a united left to counter so much right wing continentalist thinking. But this article does show how things change. The St.Laurent liberals of the 50`s were pro corporate and like-minded with the American administration of the day. The Pearson-Trudeau liberals were quite the opposite, and forged policies to strengthen Canadian sovereignty. Diefenbaker was also a thorn in the side of both Eisenhower and Kennedy when it came to the two US presidents assuming Canada would show compliance with Washington. But Diefenbaker`s cancellation of the Avro-Arrow was the main catalyst in determining Canada`s role as branch-plant subordinate to the US. This mistake also made Canada totally dependent on US \'protection.\' Whatever changes come in the future, I hope the we Canadians find a way to counter this neo-fiberal, retro conservative agenda!

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    Dave Ruston

  4. Sat Nov 15, 2003 3:31 am
    Professor Hall\'s analysis is the most disturbing, informing and thought-provoking piece I\'ve read in quite a while. In no particular order, here are some of my responses:

    * the psychic bond between true conservatives and Canadian socialists is surprisingly close, and the NDP will inevitably pick up many disaffected ex-Progressive Conservatives. Given the nascent pride among Canadians I see, especially among young ones ( one of whom told me when Canada refused to get involved in Iraq that it was the first time he had felt truly proud to be a Canadian) the prospects of a \"united Left\" influencing policy and perhaps even forming a government (or holding the balance of power) have seldom seemed better.


    * America is failing. It is losing in Iraq, and more importantly, George Bush is losing credibility quickly at home - it will be a while before he talks Congress into another foreign adventure. The United States is the most deeply indebted nation in the world at present ( and also the one which imprisons more of its own citizens than any other nation on earth) - let us not ignore the power of freedom and justice loving Americans who are appalled at the actions of their nation. America is very close to being again, a nation at war with itself. Wait till the full fallout of the Iraq debacle starts to hit home.


    * I think Professor Hall is absolutely correct in suggesting that American hands are stirring the Canadian plot. Alliance leaders may be guided by ideologically pure principles, but I think it quite likely that American influence and power gives them their marching orders, however indirectly. The great tragedy is that legitimate aspirations and complaints of many in Canada - perhaps especially Western Canada - have been subsumed by this insidious anti-Canadian organization known previously as the Alliance Party, now, even more perfidiously, as the Conservative Party. I will take every opportunity to inform all who will listen, especially directing my comments directly to \"Conservative\" Party supporters, that they are at severe risk of betraying Canada. Far better that the Liberals govern for a thousand years.


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    Brett Mann

  5. Sat Nov 15, 2003 6:56 am
    <i>America is very close to being again, a nation at war with itself.</i><p> I think this is closer than you think. But the American psyche is too "MTV bling bling oooooo shiny" to focus on it. When they see the injustices done to fellow citizens in the name of 'the war on terror', I believe there will be a great uproar. At least I hold out hope. When it finally comes, I'll sleep with a loaded gun beside my bed. When that nation roars, we're too close not to recieve fallout.<p> <i>Alliance leaders may be guided by ideologically pure principles, but I think it quite likely that American influence and power gives them their marching orders, however indirectly.</i><p> This gives me pause for thought. Perhaps I don't see it for the same reasons that you feel exist. Tell me more of 'unseen American infulence'<p> <i>The great tragedy is that legitimate aspirations and complaints of many in Canada - perhaps especially Western Canada - have been subsumed by this insidious anti-Canadian organization known previously as the Alliance Party,</i><p> This I cannot believe. Their cause is pro-western, but it is not anti-Canadian. Unless you feel the West should not or is not part of Canada.<p> <i>Far better that the Liberals govern for a thousand years.</i><p> /me shudders.<p> <p>---<br>"History does not repeat itself, but it does rhyme" Mark Twain

  6. Sat Nov 15, 2003 3:50 pm
    Why do I suspect American control of the Alliance party? In my view, and that of Professor Hall, apparently, we would be extremely naive not to suspect such involvement. Quoting Hall ..\"Why not suspect the covert involvement in this initiative of the
    superpower, a polity whose undercover agents routinely work with local
    collaborators to influence the course of domestic affairs in virtually
    every country on earth?\"

    One only has to look at the gladhanding in Washington when Stockwell, Harpur, et al. make their obeisiances there. The desire to be accepted by the big boys in the WhiteHouse is palpable. The only real restraint on American covert influence on Canadian politics is the threat of it being discovered and reported in the Globe and Mail. The US foreign policy machine may be ubiquitous and sinister, but it is not stupid, at least most of the time.

    Despite being a progressive socialist, I would welcome a party which truly advanced Western issues, and even socially conservative issues, since many Canadians, albeit a permanent minority, endorse these views, and are entitled to a voice and public representation. The actual positions of the Alliance however, including unquestioning support for the war on drugs and all the other excesses and crimes of the United States puts them far beyond the pale of true Canadian patriotism, in my view, and demands an unmasking.

  7. Sat Nov 15, 2003 3:58 pm
    I\'m having trouble logging in, but the last entry is from me, not \"anonymous.\"

    Brett Mann

  8. Sat Nov 15, 2003 7:40 pm
    I really enjoyed this article, very informative the book should be great! We can only hope that many, many Canadians are reading this type of book. It is our only hope to save this country. Until we understand the history behind this country, we\'ll never realize how much we are losing by being apathetic!

  9. Sat Nov 15, 2003 11:32 pm
    Brett, your password is "seekret". Just kidding.<p> So you suspect that there is American influence in Canadian affairs because Professor Hall does, and because it is prudent to do so. Fair enough. But why does he suspect it? To suspect something without evidence, and then to let those suspicions influence your decisions makes someone a candidate for (my terminology) the tinfoil hat brigade.<p> I know much personal information can be collected about me by the things I put in the garbage. So I shred my credit card statements, bills etc. I'm careful because I know there is the possiblity of misuse there. But if I assume that the CIA is actually rummaging through my garbage looking for the whereabouts of Omar Bin-Hussein, and the van across the street is listening to my cell phone conversations, and the dentist implanted mind control devices in my head so the aliens could read my thoughts ... well, I've joined the tinfoul hat brigade. (see, the tinfoil blocks the mind-reading rays, but it has to be shiny side out!! Very important!!)<p> I know there are American intelligece operatives (NSA, FBI, CIA) and military operating in Canada, just as their are Mossad, GRU, MI6 etc. agents operating in Canada. CSIS shares info with these organizations, but not all their info, and there is nothing like first hand knowledge. It's their job, so it would be safe to assume they are in Canada doing their job.<p> But do they assert influence? That would subvert the covert nature of their jobs.<p> Since America is Canada's largest trading partner, I would more likely assume that US owned business leaders and lobbyists assert far greater influence than 'spooks' do. Which ones? Follow the money. Who benefits?<p> For example; Why does every blank digital media purchased in Canada carry a <a href='http://www.cb-cda.gc.ca/news/c20012002nr-e.html'>'levy'</a>? Every blank CD has a levy of about 75% of the purchase price. Every portable music player has a levy based on the storage capacity of that device. The CRIA (Canadian Recording Industry Association) gets the levy to compensate artists for music recorded from interent downloads which are not purchased through retail outlets. Which is all well and good, except if; I purchase recordable CD's and never download music, but I use them to back up my own work, and; Not one cent of millions of dollars collected has ever made into an artists' pocket.<p> That's right! The levy is paid by the manufacturer to the CIRA, and included in your price at the till. This is just one shining example. It's like buggy whip manufacturers collecting royalties on every shiny new Ford that rolls off the assembly line. How much influence did it take for Government to legislate an outdated business model, and was it done through intellegence 'spooks' or business lobbyists?<p> How about the oil industry? They don't need to be so bold. Government collects billions of dollars in taxes from the drilling of oil, to the gas pump itself, to the fuel you use to heat your home. Oil companies spend billions on development, drilling, exploration and give jobs to many thousands of taxpayers. All the Government needs to do is look the other way when public outcries of price fixing resurface. I'd say big business is the place to look, before the spooks.<p> As well, most info is freely given to big business. Department store and grocery store 'club' cards, AirMiles, Aeroplan points - it's all monitored, collated and statistically analysed. They know your habits, and they know when they change.<p> As for Mr Day and Mr Harper, I've never heard of them travelling to Washington on official business or otherwise, therefore I have my doubts they worship at the altar of Shrub. I googled for info on this, but came up dry. If you or anyone has links, I'd love to read them.<p> <p>---<br>"History does not repeat itself, but it does rhyme" Mark Twain

  10. Sun Nov 16, 2003 1:28 am
    Think political freedom is flourishing in Aleberta, eh? Tell that to the people of Brooks who have zero say in the nauseating stench enveloping their town from a major hog operation directly upwind. Tell it again to the communities across Alberta whose right to a say in the construction of hog operations has been usurped by the politically appointed EUB. Say it even louder to the farmer\'s and rancher\'s whose land and air quality has been degraded by the oil and gas industry.

    As for Ralph, I personally like the guy. I think he has many qualities, that have become tarnished through excessive exposure to people whose best interests are their own. Remember Ralph the Environment Minister? The guy actually tried to do his job. He was shut down quick, and learned where the real power lies. And that ain\'t us. So if saying that makes me left wing in the eyes of some, whatever. Let\'s talk issues then.

    David Pulak

  11. Sun Nov 16, 2003 4:00 am
    Saying that doesn't make you left wing. It makes you want the political power back where it belongs. If Ralph, who is top dog when it comes to decisions that affect the people of Alberta is powerless, why is that so?<p> If the EUB (Energy and Utilities Board?) can trump environmental concerns, who gave them that ability? How can it be changed? Who do we need to call up, write, petition, protest to make this right?<p> I love this quote, and it seems appropriate: "What you do is insignificant in the larger picture, but it is very very important that you do it." Mahatma Ghandi.<p> <p>---<br>"History does not repeat itself, but it does rhyme" Mark Twain

  12. Sun Nov 16, 2003 5:51 am
    Dr. Caleb,

    While I was busy emailing everyone I could think of trying to stop the wars in Afghanistan and then Iraq, Stephen Harper was all the while taking every TV opportunity to push the US agenda. I emailed him probably 6 or 7 times furious with him for calling me and my views anti-American. It took me long enough to finally see that no, I was not anti-American, but that he in fact was anti-Canadian. I could sense his loathing for us.

    I saw him being interviewed by Don Neuman on CBC \"Politics\". It was right after the Americans has toppled Saddams stature and he told Neuman, \"We showed them (Iraq) that they cannot be a rougue state without consequences.\" (paraphrased). The hair on the back of my neck stood up. Because here I was suspecting him of being in bed with the rougue American terrorist government and he referred to the US as \"we\". \"We\", Canada, did not support the war. To me that was very telling. I do not trust Stephen Harper. And I have to disagree with you about him being so pro-west because I\'m from the west and he doesn\'t speak for \"we\" at all. That\'s the other thing about being anti this and anti that. I\'ll agree to being anti-American if you can convince me that every American is an asshole, but they are not, so the bottom line is I\'m really just anti-assholes.

  13. Sun Nov 16, 2003 6:59 am
    Very well, I\'m just not sure what your position is....you seem to resent left-wing interpretations of facts....and I don\'t know what\'s wrong with what was written about the Alliance\'s position on assimilation into the US. What do you want them to do, spell it out in plain words in their platform, and then you\'ll believe it?

  14. Sun Nov 16, 2003 7:03 am
    Don\'t forget, Lester Pearson wasn\'t as good as Trudeau on the sovereignty front.....he cancelled Difenbaker\'s plans for a national hydro grid!



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