No Room For Hate

And then there's Hezbollah who's cells were seeded amongst us for the last twenty years, making sure many of us die if we dare to to oppose the Iranians in their grab for power and their insane urge to nuke the Jewish state and kill all Jews. Even Muslim countries are blaming Hezbollah for what's going on. Too bad the Canadian Left is not as fair as Middle-East dictorships.

Any proof of any of those accusations John?

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"Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth."
(Albert Einstein)

Maulana Naseem Mahdi is on to something very important here. When it comes to extremist Islam, we are all in the position of the Israelis. We can't make peace with them because they deny in principle our right to exist as we do. This barbaric stance unfortunately garners some respect in the broader Islamic world, disgusted as it is with ongoing Israeli and American atrocities and attacks against Muslims and Arabs. The picture comes into true focus when we realize that Islamic extremism is as surely an attack on beautiful, wise, traditional Islam as it is on non Muslims. We got a war goin' on here folks. The left has to wake up to this fact. Traditional Muslims need to emulate the wisdom and courage of Maulana Naseem Mahdi and join battle against against extremist Islam. Easier to say than do, when there are so many blatant examples of western injustice and brutality for the extremists to point to, but Mahdi has it right - a counter-revolution of true followers of the Prophet Mohammed against the perverse distortions of Jihadism as practiced by al Qaeda is now required. This does not mean equating the Palestinian fight for a homeland with global terrorism, but it does mean rejecting terrorism completely as a practice utterly at odds with true Islam.

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Brett Mann

Anyone who thinks someone who doesn't conform to his political ideology would condone nuclear war, probabally doesn't have such proof.

Like most things Mr. Tiller is posting lately, it's so full of locical inconsistencies such proof would be truly mindblowing.

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"I think it's important to always carry enough technology to restart civilization, should it be necessary." Mark Tilden

Well stated. I applaud this Imam for trying to wrest back the fundementals of Islam from the extrememists. Christians need to do the same.


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"I think it's important to always carry enough technology to restart civilization, should it be necessary." Mark Tilden

That's pretty dangerous talk actually. Go to the link and read the source quote. The guy basically says 'we are with hezbollah and want the leader to protect us'. Of course we see how lopsided it is, because nobody is mentioning Israel or their patent aggression. The 62 palestinians murdered during June and the kidnapping of two civilians, a doctor and his brother, are almost never mentioned-only the israeli soldiers. And by the way international law makes a clear distinction between the kidnap of soldiers and civilians.

So essentially what this article is saying is that if you dare defend palestine-as the fellow mentioned in the article does, then you are one of these 'haters' who has no place in Canada. I've got news, contrary to the crazy guy above, virtually every spokeperson for every country has condemned Israel for these atrocities-except of course Canada and the US. Yet even in the states it has been guarded, whereas, well, what else do you expect from Harper?

There is absolutely no reason to be talking about Islam here. The reality is that Canada, like most society's, doesn't tolerate 'hate', meaning threats of violence. That goes as much for other religions as Islam. The closest thing we've had to terrorism has been that very specious account in Toronto.

Contrary to the other post above, we are NOT at war. War has a very specific definition. Even the government doesn't state that, and if war is declared then the government proclaims it. It is not simply a tool you use to justify certain behaviours like making allegations against people of a specific religion and saying 'you better smarten up cuz we're at war here'.

The quote certainly isn't close to racism, just like if an african american says 'you have to do your part for your community' or some such thing, it certainly isn't racist. However, a racist comment can come from a person of that race.

"and the kidnapping of two civilians, a doctor and his brother, are almost never mentioned"

Right. Nethier are their names. Which leads me to suspect they don't exist.

"So essentially what this article is saying is that if you dare defend palestine-as the fellow mentioned in the article does, then you are one of these 'haters' who has no place in Canada."

No, the article states:

“We are deeply offended by people who are coming to Canada, benefiting from all that they have here and that they have lost in their own country ... but are loyal to those who are against Canada and Canadian interests,” he said.

"The Prophet Muhammad said love of your homeland is part of your faith."

It doesnn't mention Palestine, or Isreal even once. It says (to paraphrase) 'Do not come to Canada and bring the troubles of your homeland here. Do not come to Canada with the intention of doing violence in the name of where you have come from.'

Notice the complete lack of Isreal or Palestine being mentioned. It also says:

"Loyalty does not mean you can’t disagree or have a different opinion,"

So if you agree or disagree with policy in Canada, that is your right. But don't resort to violence.

"There is absolutely no reason to be talking about Islam here."

Ummm, Imam . . .mosque . . . Prophet Muhammed . . . Should we be talking Pentecost?

"Contrary to the other post above, we are NOT at war. . . if war is declared then the government proclaims it."

We aren't? We don't have to declare war, for someone to declare war on us. You know, the skinny guy in the white robes? Beard? Friends with Ernie of Sesame Street fame? Ring a bell?



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"I think it's important to always carry enough technology to restart civilization, should it be necessary." Mark Tilden

WOW This is the first time I've seen you step ot in such a fashion
Bravo

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We have met the enemy and he is us
Pogo
A mind is a fire to be kindled, not a vessel to be filled.
Plutarch

Thanks. Because I'm moderator, some people take exception to the fact that I have an opinion. So, I usually don't express it unless I see something so glaringly obtuse that I can't help myself.

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"I think it's important to always carry enough technology to restart civilization, should it be necessary." Mark Tilden

The article DOES refer to Palestine, read it:

"For starters we’d commend Mahdi’s remarks to Hussein Hammoud, a Lebanese-Canadian who attended a weekend demonstration in Toronto. “We are all with the leader of Hezbollah,” said Hammoud. “God bless him and we are praying for him to defend us and defend our children.”"

That is the only example given in the entire article. Without that, what exactly is being discussed? This is clearly what the article is referring to, its the only example given. His remarks are pretty benign, so apparantly the criticism is that he was at a demonstration and said what he thinks.

I don't know what sesame street or guys in white robes have to do with anything, Gandalf perhaps? In reality, war has a definition. In order for it to be a war it has to be declared. Otherwise you are just making up definitions yourself. That's fine if you want to do that, but it means its impossible for somebody to debate you because your simply making up words as you go along. We don't even have troops in that area of the middle east, so to assume we are part of a war there is absurd. Even in Afghanistan and Haiti we are part of a UN security team engaged in peacekeeping. Go read your history, when Canada is at war, you'll know it!

The claim that the palestinian victims 'do not exist', is simply a tool used to silence criticism. Who's to say the Israeli soldier exists? Who's to say Israel even exists? Just because somebody says a name? In fact history shows Israel is far more likely to be making up their reasons for attack, because they have a well documented history of it. In virtually every case of aggression Israel blows up an apartment or van, then waits for Palestine to retaliate. The western media almost never reports on the initial attack, but focuses on the retaliation.

That makes for the very strange case where the country with nuclear weapons, far more advanced military weapons, a larger air force than Canada and every country in the area put together, pitted against an opponent which literally in many cases defends itself with rocks, and its presents itself as the 'victim'. Of course every empire does that, the US was telling people angry Nicaraguans were going to come storming across the border if they didn't wipe them out, the same for Germany and Poland.

The only real odd thing about it is its success.

I shall endevor to be acute in that case

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We have met the enemy and he is us
Pogo
A mind is a fire to be kindled, not a vessel to be filled.
Plutarch

Vis-a-vis the Palestinian/Israeli conflict, I'm with you, Marcarc. Israel's military response has been so indiscriminate and over-the-top that it is raising the question in my mind of whether Israel actually has the right to exist as a nation, or whether the combined atrocities of that state are so corrosive to the very soul of Judaism that it would be better for Jews if Israel did not exist. But the broader, international war against fundamentalist Islam is a different matter.

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Brett Mann

I agree. Let's start with the racist zionists who compare arabs to cancer. Let's kick them out too.

Multiculturalism is one thing, but these zionists are hate mongers, and it is time we recognized them for what they are - nazis.

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“The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous, the essential act of warfare is the destruction of the produce of human labour”

What 'Iranian grab for power'? They still are in charge of their own country, that's about it.

What 'insane urge to nuke Israel'? I think they'd prefer 'death by swarming of ten million arabs armed with clubs', myself. Would last longer and cause more pain. To the entire arab world, the zionists are on equal terms with the nazis. They are doing the exact same thing as nazi germany did to it's jewish population. Only this time the world is letting them. If I were a young muslim man living in Gaza, I would probably have already endured 100 searches, 20 beatings, 1 arrest and torture, and 1 'watch my family member shot dead' by now. Damn rights I'd be on the boat for the destruction of Israel. I'd avoid the strap-on explosive girdle, though.

Perhaps if the US hadn't allowed Israel to develop nukes, giving them a green light even though they are a religious fundamentalist militarist regime (please do NOT consider them democratic. Democratic countries do not restrict certain racial groups from running for positions in government)

Hell, if I was Iran, I'd be developing nukes as fast as I could, it's perhaps the only insurance against invasion. Mutually Assured Destruction is M.A.D., but it works.

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“The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous, the essential act of warfare is the destruction of the produce of human labour”