Anti-Terrorism Act Is Anti-Freedom

Posted on Sunday, October 16 at 01:23 by whelan costen
The concept of glorification of an undefined word is ludicrous. The very word “terror” when applied to political concepts creates what it claims to eradicate. For example, what if a writer or a movie script portrayed a human being acting as a ‘freedom fighter’ believing in their cause, etc., as was often done in history? That character or historical figure could be created in a positive image, according to the authors view. They could be seen as glorifying terrorism. History would have to be re-written to prevent this perception from occurring. We wouldn’t want history to be re-written, otherwise we couldn’t learn valuable lessons from it. Lessons like those from WWII. Freedom of expression is a basic human emotion. One person’s perception is not the same as another’s therefore our laws should not be based on emotion. Current legislation leaves too much to interpretation. The term incitement of hatred can in fact be applied to the arts. Hatred is an emotion which cannot be legislated. In the event that an author creates a character or series of characters that cause emotion in the reader, they could in fact be inciting hatred towards a group of people. One might consider a depiction of Hitler as an incitement of hatred towards Germans. Taken to the extremes, a movie about a husband who beats his wife could incite hatred in women towards men. While I fully appreciate the views expressed by your guests, that they require protection from terrorism, and that according to their statistics more acts of terrorism are used against Jews than any other group. Some might argue that the present state of affairs is terrorizing the Muslim Community. What I fail to understand is that the Jewish people in Nazi Germany were racially profiled; they were tattooed, rounded up and detained as suspects. They were imprisoned and then murdered by the state, because in the eyes of the Nazis they were a threat to the German way of life. Yet your witnesses are supporting a similar atmosphere in Canada. Many other groups of people were systematically targeted during the War. Many historians draw very direct parallels between the current atmosphere of fear being imposed through media and government and the precursor years to WWII. Yet even with this well documented horrific history, our government is proposing biometric identification (a modern day tattoo) while discussing immigration restrictions or alerts based on country of origin. We are seeing in Canada today the arrest and detainment of people suspected of being a terrorist, without charge for unspecified lengths of time. How can a person be a suspected terrorist, when we are unable to define terrorism? We are seeing Canadians losing our liberty to pacify another country’s fears. What is the basis for their fears? We are funding a military war regime to quell their fears at the expense of life sustaining social programs. In effect we are participating in the destruction of lives on both ends of the spectrum with one parasitic policy. We are reactionaries rather than using existing laws, we are imposing more restrictions on law abiding Canadians. Intelligence gathering in Canada did not prevent the Air India bombing, nor assist in the trial. It did not prevent Mahar Arar from being deported to a country for torture! More monitoring of Canadians at large will not prevent crime. As I listened to your guests and the Senators questioning them, one very real concern was left hanging. What is the definition of terrorism? None of you could define it. Is it something, which creates fear, chaos, and the threat to lose of life, liberty and freedom of rights? Some might suggest that the anti-terrorism laws themselves are creating those emotions. Some would suggest that the invasion of Iraq caused the same. Is terrorism the word used to describe an act by individuals against individuals? Is the word ‘war’ used if those individuals have the backing of a government? The senate being the mode of ‘second sober thought’ in a democratic nation by its very nature, ought never to have reacted emotionally to another country’s demands. If we are serious about a nation of free people, we ought to rescind Bill C-36 and C-7. We must not implement the proposed new cell phone and internet intrusions, via invasion of privacy laws. We ought to ensure that we screen individuals wishing to enter Canada. Make certain that their passports are valid and not obtained through illegal means. The issue brought up regarding people arriving in Canada who are undesirable and present a problem of deportation back to a country that will torture them, should never occur. The solution seems quite simple. Pre-approve their entrance through the Canadian Embassy in the country of origin. The tone of the meeting indicated that the restrictions being imposed on Canadians, is to protect one special interest group while sacrificing the rest. Where are the Catholic, Baptist, Muslim, and non-denominational groups? The legislations implies a government attempting to harness people’s emotions. If a crime is committed it should be investigated. The motivation for the crime should not create more weight. If a person is murdered, the loss of life is the issue, not whether they were hated. The perpetrator should be arrested, charged, stand trial and if found guilty, sentenced appropriately. The restrictions presented in these bills are creating victims of us all! We can continue to create laws to restrict and prisons to hold our citizens, or we can cease this insanity now. We can lead on the world stage and help to eradicate the hate behind violence, vengeance, retaliation and threats to world peace. We help feed the planet. Raise the standard of living for all people. We can insist that countries sign treaties for non-proliferation of weapons of mass destruction and stop funding the war machines. We can insist that all nations adhere to the World Court and reintroduce the notion of equality. If we refuse to look at the root cause of chaos, which is inherently greed, lust for power and control. Then we will never be able to legislate enough to end the suffering in the world. If we refuse to see the sick, the homeless and the hungry in the world and address the cause of these unnecessary conditions, we cannot call ourselves a civilized society. If we continue on this path of stripping people of their liberties in the name of a false sense of protection, we will become like our neighbors to the south, with a huge percentage of the population living in cages! That is not the 'Canada' that Canadians desire. I urge you as the ‘second thought,’ the sober thought, to recommend that parliament return Canada to the true north, strong and free! Rescind the laws that bind us! Our war vets made the supreme sacrifice so that we might live free! As the chair stated in her opening presentation; anti-terrorism legislation was created in the heat of emotion after 9/11. No rational decision ever comes from reaction to emotion. Acknowledging this error and reinstating the freedoms granted to us by past-generations’ acts of patriotism, is the right thing to do. There is no real indication that these laws that bind are preventing acts of terrorism, but they are terrorizing Canadians! I thank you for the opportunity to express my deep concerns and look forward to a favourable response in support of democracy. Yours truly Catherine Whelan Costen Canadian Action Party, Vice President, Communications Director & Candidate cc: Connie Fogal, CAP Leader Jack Layton, NDP Leader Gilles Duceppe, Bloc Leader Steven Harper, CP Leader Media [Proofreader's note: this article was edited for spelling and typos on October 17, 2005]

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  1. Sun Oct 16, 2005 10:09 pm
    Any and all Anti-terrorism acts are scams, plain and simple. Most terrorist attacks these days are government black ops exercises designed to further the current government's agenda, INCLUDING 9/11.

    Think about it, who benefits from the various terrorist attacks and threats? After 9/11, Bush had a free pass to invade any oil rich country he saw fit, all under the auspices of fighting terror. Then the U.S. government introduced the Patriot Act and Patriot Act II to allow the American gov't to spy on its own people via wiretaps and property searches WITHOUT NEEDING A SEARCH WARRANT.

    That's right, they can spy on anyone they choose without a warrant if that person is suspected of being involved in terrorism. They can also detain people indefinitely without trial for the same reason. By the way, under the patriot act, peaceful protests can be considered terrorism.

    Remember the G8 summit? The primary focus was to be the environment despite President Bushes attempts at making it all about terrorism, then Wham, a terrorist attack in the London subway and suddenly Bush gets his wish.

    Then there is the fake terror warning for the New York subways at the same time Bush goes on the TV in prime time telling the lemmings how they must stay the course in Iraq despite the lack of support for the war. Again, Bush wins.

    Of course most Americans are too blinded by patriotism to see what is happening. By the time they do realize what is happening, it will be too late, they will have become a Fascist state.

    I like to think the Canadian government has not yet been infiltrated by the right wing neo-nazis that the U.S. government has. I believe our unwillingness to go to Iraq without adequate reason is evidence of this. Canada seems all to willing to tear down the border and become another state. I hope we wake up in time. The U.S. want our oil and fresh water and they won't take no for an answer.

    Does anyone here doubt the U.S. would resort to faking a terrorist to justify war against a particular enemy?

  2. Sun Oct 16, 2005 10:43 pm
    It is better for me I remain anonymous to respond to these kinds of posts <br />
    <a href="http://www.asianpacificpost.com/news/article/46.html">http://www.asianpacificpost.com/news/article/46.html</a><br />
    <br />
    Canadian spy agency's scandals exposed <br />
    <br />
    Dec 5, 2002 <br />
    <br />
    Postal workers call for inquiry after new book reveals how Canadian spies broke the law, cheated the taxpayer, illegally snooped on union leaders and stole the mail<br />
    By Asian Pacific News Service<br />
    <br />
    Canadian spies broke the law, cheated the taxpayer, illegally snooped on union leaders and stole the mail says a startling new book that exposes a litany of abuses and bungles by Canada‘s secret agents.<br />
    <br />
    The controversial book entitled ‘Covert Entry‘ with its explosive allegations has triggered calls for a public inquiry by the Canadian Union of Postal Workers into the illegal <br />
    <br />
    <a href="http://www.thevarsity.ca/media/paper285/news/2001/11/15/News/Professors.Worried.About.Csis.Spying.On.Campus-147142.shtml">http://www.thevarsity.ca/media/paper285/news/2001/11/15/News/Professors.Worried.About.Csis.Spying.On.Campus-147142.shtml</a><br />
    <br />
    Professors worried about CSIS spying on campus<br />
    By Kelly Holloway<br />
    Published: Thursday, November 15, 2001 <br />
    Article Tools: Page 1 of 1 <br />
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    A U of T professor who was spied on by the secret service fears a renewed crackdown on dissenting views, echoing concerns of professors across Canada who say university administrators are doing nothing to protect faculty from government snooping.<br />
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    Dr. John Gittins was one of two U of T geology professors spied on by the Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS) between 1986 and 1990 and says current policy with regard to government spying is toothless, and desperately needs to be revised in wake of the new anti-terrorism measures the government is about to pass.<br />
    <br />
    "My colleagues who are still currently employed in the university might be advised to look at this policy and say, 'Do I really believe that assurance?' " he said.<br />
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    The topic has become a top priority in discussions of faculty across Canada, according to the organization that represents these professors nationally.<br />
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    "If faculty members or students are having to look over their shoulders wondering if there's a CSIS informant in their midst it can make people reluctant to speak freely, and the essence of a university is a place where people can speak freely and argue different views," said CAUT executive director James Turk. The agreement signed with CAUT in the 1960s says CSIS cannot spy on campus without the consent of the Solictor-General, who is the federal minister in charge of the RCMP and CSIS. It was added to by a 1995 U of T policy which, when announced, was supposed to protect professors, saying "disclosure of personal information contained in University records should be regulated in a manner that will protect the privacy of individuals who are the subject of such information."<br />
    <br />
    " I like to think the Canadian government has not yet been infiltrated by the right wing neo-nazis that the U.S. government has."<br />
    Well stop it this instant!!!<br />
    Why In the name of sanity would anyone think that somehow Canada is immune?<br />
    These Dog and pony shows put on by Ottawa aren't even good entertainment,<br />
    and yet the naive hold to a warpped believe Canada is above all that.<br />
    Horse PUCKEY!<br />
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  3. by Patm
    Mon Oct 17, 2005 12:44 am
    And for any Canucks using AOL:<br />
    <br />
    DHS and AOL: An Unholy Alliance <br />
    <br />
    October 3, 2005<br />
    by Martin McKinney<br />
    The Financial Reporter (U.K.) <br />
    <br />
    Washington- The American-based internet giant, AOL, wholly-owned by Time-Warner, has formed a working partnership with the U.S. Department of Homeland Security to permit unlimited surveillance of the millions of AOL online members, according to a report from the U.S. Department of Commerce. <br />
    <br />
    “AOL works ‘closely with the DHS’ to supply information on any AOL customer and allows agents from these entities ‘free and unfettered’ access to AOL Hq at Dulles, VA for the purpose of ‘watching over and keeping surveillance ’ on the millions of AOL customers,’ according to the report. <br />
    <br />
    The legal basis for this is the recently Congress-approved Patriot Act which permits warrantless searches of persons and property. While information gleaned from delving into personal computer messages is supposed to be kept confidential, it appears that the DHS has exceeded their brief and obtained what appears to be strictly personal information which is then circulated to entities outside the DHS. <br />
    <br />
    The Department of Commerce report also states that news of this surveillance has leaked out and is causing serious concern in the American, and European, business communities who are fearful that trade secrets may be given to other business entities, considered as “friendly” to the Bush Administration<br />
    <br />
    <a href="http://www.tbrnews.org/Archives/a1902.htm">http://www.tbrnews.org/Archives/a1902.htm</a>

  4. Mon Oct 17, 2005 12:59 am
    I think we need serious discussion about the kind of society we want for ourselves and our children. Currently we have many laws on the books, and more coming, which most Canadians are unaware of that enable government to prevent us from exercising freedom of speech.

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    If I stand for my country today...will my country be here to stand for me tomorrow?

  5. Mon Oct 17, 2005 2:37 am
    <i>"Why In the name of sanity would anyone think that somehow Canada is immune? These Dog and pony shows put on by Ottawa aren't even good entertainment, and yet the naive hold to a warpped believe Canada is above all that. Horse PUCKEY!"</i> <br> <br> I said NOT YET BEEN INFILTRATED, I didn't say IMMUNE. I understand now why you didn't post your name, you can't comprehend english.<br> <br> Chretien had the balls to stay out of Iraq, Martin is beginning to raise a stink about softwood lumber. We're not that far gone yet, but the States is pushing hard Unfortunately there are a lot of wannabe yankees in this country that would love to join that country, they need to know the truth. <br><br> Canadians are much more receptive than Americans, we can look at things logically and come to a reasonable conclusion, we are not blinded by the flag. But we must protect ourselves. <br><br> Tell everyone you know, <b>9/11 was an Inside Job.</b>

  6. Mon Oct 17, 2005 3:02 am
    There are a few of us who are willing to, or rather have been willing to stand up for principles, principles that will benefit all Canadians and perhaps be picked up by others on the 'net.
    One of the problems I and some of those I am in contact with is we seem to be fighting for those who are not motivated to do for them-selves, for us, it has now become a reality to separate out of herd mentality and set up communities along religious line without being what we claim to be, exactly like government behaves now.
    If you don’t care enough to hold to the united we stand, divided we fall (or become enslaved) edict then that is jolly-well your choice to do so! You may not be welcome in our communities though for they shall be participatory societies.
    It is idealistic thinking?
    Your bloody right it is!
    I have seen post on here where it is obvious the poster have awareness beyond the norm, but like crabs in a bucket as one crab tries to climb out the other claw it back down.
    I see others here working tirelessly to sound the clarion and give warning being all but ignored.
    It’s come down to this,
    FUCK YOU! I’m alright

  7. Mon Oct 17, 2005 3:29 am
    "I said NOT YET BEEN INFILTRATED, I didn't say IMMUNE. I understand now why you didn't post your name, you can't comprehend english.

    So you want to play the ad hominem role, do you?

    You were not under attack and have no reason other than plain ignorance to go personal.

    You may have SAID it Denny dumb-fuck, but that don't mean it has been going on, so don't even try to go there with me or i'll cut you a new asshole so your brains fall out and then maybe, just maybe, you can be educated to the reality of what has been happening world wide sinse before your grand parents were born!

    "Canadians are much more receptive than Americans, we can look at things logically and come to a reasonable conclusion, we are not blinded by the flag. But we must protect ourselves."

    Support this specious claim with fact!

    The ONLY “PROTECTION” you will ever have is the protection of knowledge you so obviously lack!
    The legislators and legal system have run roughshod over you to the point you have no idea who you are or what is behind it all.


    If what you so loosely claim is true how in the hell did the architects of the New Zealand Experiment get a foot hold In BC, Alberta, Ontario and Quebec?




    The politicans of Canada have been in cahoots with the the very same power brokers the yanks have, and if you don't get that, then there is little hope for you!

  8. Mon Oct 17, 2005 4:36 am
    <i>the naive hold to a warpped believe Canada is above all that</i> <br><Br> That is an attack, calling someone naive or ignorant is a personal attack, look in the mirror if you don't like these tactics. <BR><BR> Then you follow up with additional threats, attacks, and vulgarity. Wake up smart guy, you're part of the problem. You're inability to have reasonable conversations with others, to listen to others points of view, you're shut up and listen approach. Guess what, others have something to say, try listening and considering what they have to say rather than reducing yourself to name calling and threats. <BR><BR> Canadians are much more receptive than Americans, know how I know? Cause I talk to them, Canadians and Americans, and Canadians aren't blinded by patriotism like their American counterparts. Canadians CAN see the forest for the trees. <BR><BR> Now, my statement is clear as day, 9/11 was an inside job, and we're in for it too if we don't wake up. You reply with vague statements regarding legislators, the legal system, and a New Zealand Experiment. <BR><BR> Well, spit it out, you got something to say, SAY IT. In coherent sentences, make your point, don't beat around the bush. Can you make your point without calling people ignorant or naive? Without name calling? <BR><BR> However name calling is much easier, so go nuts.

  9. Mon Oct 17, 2005 4:38 am
    Apparently this topic has touched a nerve, and although I understand where people feel this is so important that they must yell, or insult others, I don't think we can really have a serious discussion if we spiral on that tone.

    The facts are that there is anti-terrorism laws on the books, brought in as a direct result of the propaganda coming from the U.S.. Some of it came from the wrong reports that hi-jackers entered into the U.S. from Canada. Totally false, but that was disregarded and everybody was screaming 'oh my, we must act now to prevent this again'

    None of the new laws have prevented any attacks. They won't prevent them in the future,because even if the government spies on you and me, all they get is info on you and me. It is ridiculous to think that somebody has the ability to read others minds. By tapping their phones at random, that will only serve to keep the population from discussing important issues. It won't stop murder, arson, bombs etc. It will stop public discussion, public dissent and the public organizing meetings to discuss. It will stop legitimate political parties from discussing strategies, or trying to get information to the public.

    That is what we are dealing with, arrest without charge, detainment without cause, etc. Are you willing to give up your liberty because your neighbor thinks you might be doing something wrong? The tip line for terrorism in the U.S. is going crazy and the police are so busy following tips that they can't do their jobs properly. Is that what we want?

    Do we want a society that is paralized by fear? That is what happened to Germany, when everyone was a suspect, and people were being arrrested and taken away in the middle of the night. The neighbors didn't know why, nor could they question why, cause they could be next. Is this the society we want to live in? I'm saying NO!

    I think that if Canadians knew what it meant they would say no also. I don't want to dismiss that some people are living with fear, or that they feel targeted because of race, creed, or colour etc. But if someone is threatening another, there are laws on the books now to deal with that as well as arson, damage to public property, murder, kidnapping, etc etc. Why do we need laws that center around the emotion which causes the act?

    A better word for the legislation would be the anti-protesting act, anti-rejecting oppression act, the anti-freedom act, the anti-democracy act! Now can we discuss what is at stake here and how can we fix it?

    I felt that since the Senate is reviewing the laws, that now is the time to tell mp's and senate that we oppose it. I feel that because there is talk about extending it for another 5 years, that now is a better time to reject it.
    I believe that because this legislation was brought in as a reactive measure to an emotionally charged, media spun issue, cooler heads can now prevail and must! That's my take, anyone else?

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    If I stand for my country today...will my country be here to stand for me tomorrow?

  10. Mon Oct 17, 2005 6:28 am
    OK Here is how I see this topic went off the rails<br />
    In the response I posted I pretty much agreed with your stance with the sites on C.S.I.S. <br />
    My passion turns to anger when I see writers believe that any one country has an edge on knowledge of economic domination.<br />
    Did I argue against any of your points regarding the agenda bush is the mouthpiece for? <br />
    I did not!<br />
    Did I argue against any of the subterfuge tactics use By the Bush administration in any way?<br />
    I did not!<br />
    What I took exception to and remain to hold that view is the the part of your post where you say you would like to believe. <br />
    Well Big, liking to believe don’t make it so. <br />
    Besides there was no infiltration, Mulroney certainly did not infiltrate he was one of theirs long before he got into politics <br />
    Ralph Klein, Bob Rae, Martin and several others have sold out to the same power brokers who run Bush and Co.<br />
    The Canadian connection to the New Zealand Experiment is well documented all one has to do is google it for verification. I do not deal in vagueness <br />
    <a href="http://www.converge.org.nz/pma/apfail.htm">http://www.converge.org.nz/pma/apfail.htm</a><br />
    <a href="http://www.nzbooks.com/nzbooks/product.asp?sku=kelsey130">http://www.nzbooks.com/nzbooks/product.asp?sku=kelsey130</a> <br />
    <a href="http://www.mngt.waikato.ac.nz/research/ejrot/Vol2_1/clancy.pdf">http://www.mngt.waikato.ac.nz/research/ejrot/Vol2_1/clancy.pdf</a> <br />
    I backup what I say and I said don’t go there. You have no knowledge.<br />
    If you have done your homework you will already know this stuff can be traced back to the Corporation of London, also known as “the Crown!<br />
    <a href="http://www.worldnewsstand.net/history/The_Crown_Temple.htm">http://www.worldnewsstand.net/history/The_Crown_Temple.htm</a> <br />
    and if you really want to get into it you will also find the Vatican connection to it all.<br />
    Now as to Canadian insight vs. American insight that will depend entirely on which Canadians and which Americans.<br />
    One of my major complaints is it id far easier to get info regarding almost any aspect of 911 or Fractional Banking out of American sites than it is from Canadian ones<br />
    Is this civil enough for you now?<br />
    Please get back on topic with what the original poster is saying <br />
    The Canadian government went along the American Gov’s anti terror position when in fact they are all in it together each playing their respective roles. <br />
    So don’t be givin us some mouth about what you’d “LIKE” to think<br />
    Canadian Politicos and court do not have "clean hands"

  11. Mon Oct 17, 2005 8:00 am
    Ok, Big ! Schools in <br />
    Add this to your reading list, if you are as serious as you would have me believe.<br />
    <br />
    <a href="http://kamron.com/none_dare_call_it_conspiracy.htm">http://kamron.com/none_dare_call_it_conspiracy.htm</a> <br />
    and when your finish there or synchronisticaly visit Gary Allen’s excellent website <br />
    <a href="http://www.mega.nu:8080/ampp/">http://www.mega.nu:8080/ampp/</a> <br />
    It is an a round about way an endorsement to the original poster’s concerns and here is why~<br />
    Nothing political really occurs in isolation<br />
    When one starts to connect the dots and begins to grasp the process used, know as Hegelian dialectics by the way, Problem/Reaction/ Solution, it is then the penny drops!<br />
    <br />
    What is becoming known as the New World Order is called that because the ideology takes in the entire world.<br />
    Canada is not, nor is any other country in the world, exempt.<br />
    <br />
    In order to not come off as some aluminium-foil hat wearing nut bar it is usefull to do research in these areas.<br />
    It is also extremely useful to at least touch on behavioural psychology, linguistics and critical thinking. Alex Carey has an excellent book,<br />
    Taking the Risk Out of Democracy: Propaganda in the US and Australia <br />
    by Alex Carey <br />
    Visit David Korten’s wed site~ <a href="http://www.pcdf.org/corprule/corporat.htm">http://www.pcdf.org/corprule/corporat.htm</a> You have made the claim that 911 is an inside job. And you very well may be right! <br />
    BUT in order to garner support for your position it would be better to document evidence point to strong suppositions and use language that displays clear thought.<br />
    I responded to your initial post in kind and you didn’t much like it.<br />
    That is easily understood <br />
    I didn’t much like the manner in which you frame your beliefs.<br />
    <br />
    The issue be for us, from a Canadian stand point, is to directly address our concerns in the manner Whelan Costen did, and send it off to Ottawa. <br />
    With a little encouragement the author may frame the concerns in the form of a public declaration of concern.<br />
    <br />
    I can tell by your initial post you have passion for rights and freedoms as pertaining to this patch of ground known as Canada.<br />
    Congratulation!<br />
    I am doing what ever I can in concert with others more patient and eloquent than I.<br />
    Thank you for your time <br />
    <br />
    <br />

  12. Mon Oct 17, 2005 1:29 pm
    I agree 100%. It is time to speak out and have these laws passed in the heat of passion banned from our books.

    I am more concerned with being locked up by my own government, or becoming the victim of a false flag or biological operation than I am with being the victim of a legitimate terrorist attack!

    Our laws and practices are creating the terror they were supposedly designed to prevent!


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    --Snowdog
    ___________
    Canadians First!

  13. Mon Oct 17, 2005 3:44 pm
    I (a Canadian living in the US temporarily) am cancelling my AOL tonight. For the past 16 months or so, I had to pay $5 additional charges for AOL's use of US telephone lines.

    Free trade is more and more becoming a one-way street.

  14. Mon Oct 17, 2005 11:34 pm
    <i>So don’t be givin us some mouth about what you’d “LIKE” to think Canadian Politicos and court do not have "clean hands"</i> <BR><BR> You gotta get your digs in don't you???? I'll give you whatever "mouth" I choose to, and I'll do it without becoming confrontational or insulting. If you choose to disagree, do so in a constructive manner, not in the degrading and childish methods you seem to continuously resort to. <BR><BR> That being said, I stand by my initial comment. Of course anywhere there is money and power there is corruption, and the Canadian government is no exception. However, do I believe the Canadian government would fly planes into buildings and blame some faceless enemy to rile us up into a war frenzy??? No way, nor do I think Canadians are gullible enough to fall for it. <BR><BR> Furthermore, I use the example of Canada staying out of the Iraq war as evidence that Canada is not a part of the current globalist push presently under way by the U.S. and Britain. <BR><BR> You wanna educate me as to why I'm wrong, I'm all ears, but I'm not putting up with any more cheap shots. Its your choice, I am more than willing to listen and I am more than willing to do my share to fight government corruption, but I'm not putting up with any crap either.



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