Why No Free Speech, Hey?

Interesting. Fox News is basically a hand puppet for the Bush Administration, and yet you critisize the CRTC. Free speech only seems to work for you until your message isn't heard, then it's Censorship. Do you even know what the CRTC is?<p> Why is it that there is no satellite feed in the US for Al Jazeera again? At least <b>our</b> government hasn't got round to controlling what we think and feel yet.<p> <p>---<br>"History does not repeat itself, but it does rhyme" Mark Twain <br />
"The greatest price of not participating in politics is being governed by your inferiors." Plato

Hey bozo Anon,

I think your forgeting its 2004 not 1900. Today in 2004 we have this thing called the internet. Many independent news sources. Funny thing is allot of what you see on CBC about the war on Iraq is in line with what you see on independent news sources online.

Bozo Anon, can you also help explain how CBC is entirely controled by the government when you have CBC broadcasting content that makes the government look bad. CBC has done shows about Canadian poverty being an issue that is forgoten by the government. Why would the government want to make themselves look bad? I can give many examples of different programs from Newsworld, National, Counterspin and Fith Estate that all have had shows that made the government look bad. On May 7th we also have a show called "Screw the Vote - Let others decide your future" which will be broadcasted on CBC.

Also if the government can use the media for their own cause like you seem to suggest is the case. How exactly does it make sense for the government to be giving cut backs to the CBC, and also supporting privatization of the CBC.

I would like to say a few things about CBS. CBS is broadcasted in Canada. CBS one time had a show which the white house didn't like. They actually wanted the President of CBS to have their jounalist to be fired cause he did a show on the "moral of the war". Since this journalist was Canadian they also started to complain in the U.S saying they wanted to have all Canadians fired from giving any news in the U.S. You know what the president of CBS did? He went on TV and stood up for his journalist and the good work he did. CBS I welcome here. FOX can stay out.

Kevin

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"Love actually, is all around us" --From the movie Love Actually.

Plus, we already get BBC World, CBC Newsworld, MSNBC, CNN, CNN Headline, CTV News Now, why do we want another 24 hour news channel to ramp up an entirely out of control cable bill?<p> With such 'Fair and Balanced' programming as "Canada: Terrorists to the North", I'm sure every household would have wanted to see that one!<p> Nooo thanks. I'd rather get a barbed wire enima.<p> <p>---<br>"History does not repeat itself, but it does rhyme" Mark Twain <br />
"The greatest price of not participating in politics is being governed by your inferiors." Plato

If anything, Canadians, once they are introduced to the moronic rants of bill o'reilly, will be further polarised and turned away from the US (and thus harper's evil new party). Let me also say that I hate Republicans. I HATE THEM. They are evil bastards and represent the worst of humanity.

The concern for free speech is damn good argument. But I believe strongly in the mandate of the CRTC so so is argument for the protection of Canadian content. The problem, however, is that the market is already so saturated with US crap I find it hard to understand why one more incursion would make any difference.

Anonomous,

How many Canadian broadcasters are there in the US?

And we obviously have a little free speech left as you have had your say. If we were against free speech you'd be gone and all ignorant people would have to shut up.

I think Fox should come in as John Doyle from the Globe and Mail said is should go on the Comedy Network. He finds it ridiculously funny.

Lets not forget that Fox had the law overturned in the US so that it is
now legal for news corporations to present lies as facts.

Sad days we live in.

It's right here:
http://www.dishnetwork.com/content/prog ... ndex.shtml

What law would that be miss tristan

"And we obviously have a little free speech left as you have had your say. If we were against free speech you'd be gone and all ignorant people would have to shut up."

It appears as though that's EXACTLY what you and the majority of the like minded "free speakers" on this site want...to send everyone away who isn't totally agreeing with you. Kind of like the CRTC. Ditto, dotto, blotto...insert "Canadian content" here...ditto, dotto, blotto...insert "Canadian content" here...ditto, dotto, blotto....insert...

If it weren't for fuel to keep the flames of hatred fanned to a bright glow and maximum height, what WOULD we do? We should allow Canadians exposure to Fox if for no other reason than to give everyone here something to hyperventilate, froth and foam at the mouth, and spit venom over...it'd just be no darned fun at all simply left to our own devises of inventing material to discuss.

If it doesn't support our personal cause of "(insert anti-whoever cause)", we don't want it to be aired. Why is the option of yet another source of news so frightening to those who purport to be FOR "free speech"....lol...or better yet..FOR, (4?)Canada? Are we still having trouble with the concept of diversity?

I thought all of us here were supoosed to be AGAINST censorship...silly me...how COULD I have been so stupidly blind.

BTW...anyone ever hear the name Paul Desmarais, Sr. ???
Guess which "evil" news source broke that one...no, really? Useless bastards, aren't they? How DARE they bring up something unpleasant about ourselves here in wonderland...sheesh...keep them out for Christ's sake...they mess with our heads WAY too much...

I would say that the Zombiod Mantra coming from the Aljezeera of Canada, CBC Radio and Television, that couldn't make it on it's own merit and crappy programing, they who had to recieve government subsidies from the public pocket book and continue to do so, would be more of a shill for the Liberal and Socialistic (sudo French(quebecquois))controlled Government of Canada.

Why would anyone watch Fox?

For an alternative viewpoint on events covered by the mainstream Canadian media, or exposure to events not covered at all (selectively/censored out ect.) by Canadian media which might be relevant to an issue affecting Canadians.

They obviously are not leftist, but more centre or possibly even centre/right so just as with an obvious left leaning source (or right for that matter) one needs to exercise their own judgement and discretion. Don't EVER blindly accept anything as "gospel" from ANY source in this day and age! It seems everyone has their own "agenda".

Ours is to attempt to sort out the fact, from fiction as best we can. Thankfully one can independently investigate the truthfulness of a story fairly well in this day of modern technology (as in the 'net) with a minimal amount of effort. All that is really necessary, is that the story has an author, uses direct quotes as much as possible, and identifies it's source(s). With that information you can track down a lot. Be very wary of a news outlet that never names the story's author, doesn't use any direct quotes, and/or does not name it's sources. The biggest offender in this area is the CBC, but there are others who are almost as "shifty".

Some media outlets assume that the average viewer/reader will simply absorb and not question. It is actually very enlightening to "flip" between different news stations on the 'ol tube, or hop between their different websites comparing how stories are reported..what info is added..deleted..the spin placed upon it...or even if it's reported at all (especially if it could be contrary to what our government wants us to believe).

In short, it just gives another option to compare with others, and incorporate/ignore as one chooses. We all have a mind which enables us to think and make our own decisions...having another option does not in anyway diminish that ability. One shouldn't ever totally close off their mind to everything else that is "different" than their "favourite" flavour of the moment, should they? That's where the term "closed-minded", or "tunnel-visioned" comes from. If you can USE your mind, and are open, and not just "anti", you have options. You have daylight. You have freedom. If you lock yourself in a closet, what do you have? Your closet. Hope the lightswitch is on the INSIDE...but something tells me it won't be...

So...not to say Fox is better in any way at all...or worse. Or anyone else (forgive my dig at the CBC ). Access to more information is NEVER a bad thing, so long as one has a brain and can use it!!!

"With such 'Fair and Balanced' programming as "Canada: Terrorists to the North", I'm sure every household would have wanted to see that one!"

No...they'd have to forego the beer, the doob, and the hockey game. Or go get barbed wire enemas ...

"I would like to say a few things about CBS. CBS is broadcasted in Canada. CBS one time had a show which the white house didn't like. They actually wanted the President of CBS to have their jounalist to be fired cause he did a show on the "moral of the war". Since this journalist was Canadian they also started to complain in the U.S saying they wanted to have all Canadians fired from giving any news in the U.S. You know what the president of CBS did? He went on TV and stood up for his journalist and the good work he did. CBS I welcome here. FOX can stay out."

Like Dan Rather and his half dozen "anti" cronies? You know..the ones that got busted, and were eventually canned like Canadian sockeye for trying to get the leader of their country booted from office by the voters during an election by intentionaly putting out false "news" releases about his Texas National Guard service? Knowing they were false? Using a position of sacred public trust for they and their corporation's own ends? Using forged documents which they KNEW were forged? You mean THAT pillar of honersty and integrity in journalism? Kevin, Kevin, Kevin...I mistook you for a more informed, more honest, more objective, more INTELLIGENT life form...*SIGH*...or...wait a minute...could you....ummm...do YOU...uhhh...have an "agenda" as well? ...just MAYBE?

FOX must be pretty damned bad to be a worse alternative than CBS...(Communist Bullsh** Station)...better ban it quick...call the CRTC...