NEW SCIENTIST: Climate Change: Who Is Swindling Who?

Posted on Thursday, March 22 at 13:44 by bracewell
2) The latest IPCC report shows that the combined warming impact - of all human activities, is roughly ten times that of natural factors, namely solar irradiance. See the bar chart here .

3) The period of cooling between 1940 and 1970, which the film claimed was proof that the global warming hypothesis is flawed, has a simple and proven explanation.
......It was caused by industrial sulphate emissions, combined with a cluster of volcanic eruptions , which also emit sulphates. The industrial sulphates have since been partially cleaned up thanks to clean air laws adopted in developed countries. This figure , published by Gerald Meehl of the National Center for Atmospheric Research in 2004, shows how climate models can reconstruct 20th century temperatures, including the mid-century cooling, using different factors that contribute to both warming and cooling global temperatures.

One of the scientists (Carl Wunsch) who contributed to the film has complained very openly about how his interview was distorted. You can find his complaints here and here . This is a quote from the letter he wrote in the UK daily The Independent:

In the part of The Great Climate Change Swindle where I am describing the fact that the ocean tends to expel carbon dioxide where it is warm, and to absorb it where it is cold, my intent was to explain that warming the ocean could be dangerous - because it is such a gigantic reservoir of carbon. By its placement in the film, it appears that I am saying that since carbon dioxide exists in the ocean in such large quantities, human influence must not be very important - diametrically opposite to the point I was making - which is that global warming is both real and threatening.

For more about the programme's flaws see:
RealClimate (a blog run by climate scientists: "it just repeated the usual specious claims we hear all the time")
• Steve Connor's article in The Independent ("graphs used were distorted, mislabelled or just plain wrong")
• an interesting entry on the progamme's director, Martin Durkin, on Wikipedia ("he has caused consistent controversy over the alleged bias found in many of his documentaries").

SOURCE: Climate change: who is swindling who?
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BRACEWELL:
Impressive presentation does not necessarily reflect reality. This producer seems to make his living from presenting sensational, but “dubious” data. Above is a Wiki link to Durkin, but this one I found impressive: ( Monbiot.com » Modified Truth Durkin presented on Channel 4 a documentary that showed silicone breast implants are safe and even reduce the breast cancer risk.

I have not seen a good reference linking sunspot activity to measurable solar output (the technical term is "solar irradiance"). If true, this should have been easy. Sunspot activity has been correlated with economic growth, and crop yields – but not increased solar irradiance.

I chased down a little of the 'solar output is increasing' and all said that the output increase does not account for the warming we have seen (see below).

I have been studying through RealClimate for a year now, and am always impressed with the scholarship. Although somewhat technical, I have consistently found it informative to slog through cross-reference the concepts presented. Here is the RealClimate take on the program.

As I see it, the bottom line is:
Argument over causation is interesting but irrelevant.
CO2 and methane do influence temperature.
Putting more up will increase temperature.
Temperatures do change - as does species composition on earth.

It just kinda sucks when yours is at risk.

Below are papers on solar irradiance
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Pattern of Strange Errors Plagues Solar Activity and Terrestrial Climate Data
Eos,Vol. 85, No. 39, 28 September 2004
Analysis of a number of published graphs that have played a major role in these debates and that have been claimed to support solar hypotheses [Laut, 2003; Damon and Peristykh, 1999, 2004] shows that the apparent strong correlations displayed on these graphs have been obtained by incorrect handling of the physical data.
......These findings do not by any means rule out the existence of important links between solar activity and terrestrial climate. ... The sole objective of the present analysis is to draw attention to the fact that some of the widely publicized, apparent correlations do not properly reflect the underlying physical data.

Science 15 September 2006:
Vol. 313. no. 5793, p. 1543
DOI: 10.1126/science.313.5793.1543b
Editors' Choice: Highlights of the recent literature
...... Satellite measurements show that solar irradiance, essentially the amount of energy that reaches Earth, varies over the 11-year solar cycle by ~0.1%, too small a change to have a noticeable impact on Earth's average temperature. However, a long-standing question in climate science is whether larger solar changes have occurred that might have caused warming over the past century or climate change at some stage of the Holocene (or an even longer span of time).
......Bard and Frank provide a thorough critical review of both the problematic evidence for longer changes in solar irradiance and the possible climatic effects these changes could have induced. The authors point out that many proposed connections, for example between the records of cosmogenic nuclides such as 14C and 10Be and records of climate change, are based on correlations--some of which have large and perhaps unappreciated uncertainties--and on imperfect and indirect records.
......They conclude that there might still be a connection between solar changes and the Medieval Warm Period and Little Ice Age, but that overall solar changes, most of which remain unproven, probably represent a second-order influence on the behavior of Earth's recent climate.
Earth Planet. Sci. Lett. 248, 1 (2006).

Science 1 October 2004:
Vol. 306. no. 5693, pp. 68 - 69
DOI: 10.1126/science.1101694
A Stellar View on Solar Variations and Climate
Peter Foukal, Gerald North, Tom Wigley
......Accurate reconstruction of solar irradiance variations is important for assessing human and natural contributions to climate change. Fluctuations in the Sun's brightness, measured directly by space-borne radiometry over the past two 11-year sunspot cycles, seem too small to drive climate. Recent reconstructions of solar irradiance extending back to the 17th century have assumed that larger, multidecadal irradiance variations occur, similar to those detected on other Sun-like stars. In their Perspective, Foukal et al. discuss the recent retraction of this stellar evidence and of the solar irradiance reconstructions based on it, which has important implications for the relative roles of various forcing factors in climate change.

Solar influence on climate during the past millennium: Results from transient simulations with the NCAR Climate System Model
PNAS | March 6, 2007 | vol. 104 | no. 10 | 3713-3718
......The potential role of solar variations in modulating recent climate has been debated for many decades and recent papers suggest that solar forcing may be less than previously believed. Because solar variability before the satellite period must be scaled from proxy data, large uncertainty exists about phase and magnitude of the forcing.
......We used a coupled climate system model to determine whether proxy-based irradiance series are capable of inducing climatic variations that resemble variations found in climate reconstructions, and if part of the previously estimated large range of past solar irradiance changes could be excluded. Transient simulations, covering the published range of solar irradiance estimates, were integrated from 850 AD to the present. Solar forcing as well as volcanic and anthropogenic forcing are detectable in the model results despite internal variability. The resulting climates are generally consistent with temperature reconstructions.
......Smaller, rather than larger, long-term trends in solar irradiance appear more plausible and produced modeled climates in better agreement with the range of Northern Hemisphere temperature proxy records both with respect to phase and magnitude. Despite the direct response of the model to solar forcing, even large solar irradiance change combined with realistic volcanic forcing over past centuries could not explain the late 20th century warming without inclusion of greenhouse gas forcing.
......Although solar and volcanic effects appear to dominate most of the slow climate variations within the past thousand years, the impacts of greenhouse gases have dominated since the second half of the last century. [Proofreader's note: this article was edited for spelling and typos on March 23, 2007]

Note: smooth IPCC report here volcanic eruptions figure Gerald Meehl National Center for At... here here RealClimate article Martin Durkin Climate change: who is ... Monbiot.com » Modifie... RealClimate Pattern of Strange Err... Solar influence on cl...

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  1. by Deacon
    Thu Mar 22, 2007 9:37 pm
    All well and good.

    Except that it is a distinct and well documented fact that the world has been much warmer at times during the past.
    This is from my post in the .72C thread:

    "Earth HAS been warmer in the past, that is a fact. If you don't believe me, look up the Paleozoic Era in the geological timeline.

    The earth has always had fluctuating temperatures.

    It's just that this time it's apparently humanity that's responsible.

    Before anyone goes on a rampage about how vulnerable the Earth is, I'll remind you that this world we live on has survived numerous asteroid hits, supervolcanoes, and comet strikes.

    Somewhere in our distant past we may even have survived a brush with a superflare.

    Yes, the world we know is changing and things will never again, at least relative to our lifespans, be the same as they were.

    And every living creature on earth, not just humankind, will have to "learn to live with it".

    No one said we had to like it."


    Global warming does NOT mean the end of life on earth.

    It just proves once again that the only constant, in terms of geological time, is change.



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    The two most common things in the universe are apparently Hydrogen and stupidity.

  2. Thu Mar 22, 2007 10:25 pm
    "Global warming does NOT mean the end of life on earth."

    Of course not! You do realise that's not the point.... right?

    Ian Malcolm in Jurassic Park (the book) said it exactly: "Life always finds a way. The question is not whether life will disappear or not. The question is whether we will disappear or not."

    Global warming won't destroy everything, far from it, but it might destroy *us*, or at least give us one hell of a time.

    The question, then, is whether we are able or not to prevent it from happening. And if we can't, whether we'll be ready and manage to adapt to the new ecologies which will inevitably result from a global warming.

    The Sharp Wolf

    "Better late than never. However, the sooner, the better."

  3. by Deacon
    Thu Mar 22, 2007 10:27 pm
    Thanks for the update Captain Obvious.

    And, no, we can't stop it.

    There's your update.

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    The two most common things in the universe are apparently Hydrogen and stupidity.

  4. by
    Thu Mar 22, 2007 10:32 pm
    Well put

  5. by
    Thu Mar 22, 2007 10:34 pm
    OOPS - I got my - "well put" - out of the comment order.

  6. Thu Mar 22, 2007 11:14 pm
    *Takes a cheesy superhero pose: "Captain Obvious is always glad to help!"*

    ;-D

    Well, at least we are agreeing on something, aren't we? That is, there is indeed global warming. And I guess pretty much anyone agrees that whatever we do will only push back the deadline a bit, so it will happen anyway.

    So let's stop those petty and annoying games of
    "--They're liars!
    --No, they're the one who are lying!
    --Conspiracy theory!
    --Politically correctness!"
    Etc.

    Pointing the obvious is sometimes necessary: most people agree that there is global warming. Whether we are the cause or not do not have that much significance, since even those who think we are the cause agree that global warming is now inescapable. So let's stop bickering like stubborn children and put our energies to prepare for it all, before it's too late.

    The Sharp Wolf

    "Sometimes, the simplest truths are the hardest to see."

  7. Fri Mar 23, 2007 2:05 am
    Thanks bracewell for taking the time to post this, along with links and your comments. Much appreciated!<br />
    <br />
    The whole thing will take some time to review, however the one thing I wanted to look at first, was the defense concerning the time lag of approx 800 years of the rise CO2 following a rise in temperature.<br />
    <br />
    Here's what I read:<br />
    <a href="http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2004/12/co2-in-ice-cores/">http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2004/12/co2-in-ice-cores/</a><br />
    <br />
    The response is hardly convincing, and in essensce says that the initial rise in temperature is caused by a "currently unknown" process, yet somehow the conclusion is made that due to a feed back system, where the initial rise in temperature creates a further rise in temperature, which leads to a more CO2 and even higher temperature, etc.<br />
    <br />
    All of this is a wonderful theory, but it is not proven to be correct by any stretch of the imagination, since for all anyone knows, the cause of the continuous rise in temperature could be due to the "currently unknown" process that initiated the initial temperature rise rather than due to the feedback from the rise in CO2 (or there could be a combination of CO2/warming feedback AND the "unknown" warming process at the same time). <br />
    <br />
    I'm actually amazed at how poor the explanation for the discrepancy is. More amazing, is that the explanation even when taken at face value, says nothing about the cause of the current rise in temperature and CO2 levels, other than suggesting that everything is running as expected!<br />
    <br />
    Eg, "So, in summary, the lag of CO2 behind temperature doesn't tell us much about global warming. [But it may give us a very interesting clue about why CO2 rises at the ends of ice ages. The 800-year lag is about the amount of time required to flush out the deep ocean through natural ocean currents. So CO2 might be stored in the deep ocean during ice ages, and then get released when the climate warms.]"<br />
    <br />

  8. Fri Mar 23, 2007 5:30 pm
    Nice work Bracewell.

  9. Fri Mar 23, 2007 6:53 pm
    I'll take on item number 1) on your list, which is as follows:

    "1) Volcanoes do not emit more carbon dioxide than human activities combined. If they did, the curve showing the rise in atmospheric concentrations of carbon dioxide would be punctured by irregular jumps, representing each volcanic eruption. Instead, it's smooth."

    The claim is made that:

    A) "Volcanoes do not emit more carbon dioxide than human activities combined."

    Which is justified by:

    B) "If they did, the curve showing the rise in atmospheric concentrations of carbon dioxide would be punctured by irregular jumps, representing each volcanic eruption. Instead, it's smooth."

    The connection between A and B is a clear logical fallacy.

    It is certainly possible that CO2 emissions from individual volcanic eruptions produce no noticeable "spikes" in CO2 levels, however the same observation holds true if CO2 produced by human activity is even *less* significant than volcanic activity, therefore there is no basis to the claim that because there's no sharp rise after volcanic eruptions, it must mean that human activity produces more CO2 than volcanic activity, or that volcanic activity does not produce more CO2 than human activity.

    If taken at face value, all that can be deduced from the observation is that volcanic eruptions produce no immediate sharp rise in CO2 levels - period.

    The claim that volcanic activity produces more CO2 emissions than human activity may be correct or it may not be correct. It remains to be seen just how a percentages of CO2 levels are measured and assigned to either volcanic activity, and human activity, and each of the many other CO2 producing processes. The accuracy of the measurements and percentage assignment is key to answering the question of how significant human produced CO2 actually is.

    I hope the scientists who are studying global warming are not using logical fallacies to make their case!

    One more thing, the use of the word "volcano" may imply a sudden violent eruption, but these spectacular events do not represent the sum total of volcanic activity that is constantly on going all over the earths surface. Volcanic activity takes on several forms, and much volcanic activity is taking place at the ocean floor. Violent eruptions may in fact be so minor by comparison to the sum total of all global activity, that spikes in the CO2 measurements are not noticed after even the largest individual eruptions. I'm still researching the available literature to find out just how constant the sum total of all activity actually is.

    Also note that the earths atmosphere is something like 5,000 trillion metric tons (a figure to be verified), the output of a single volcanic eruption produces next to nothing in CO2 by comparison.

    I guess I have yet one more thing to add, which is that the estimates showing human produced C02 activity is measured in "carbon" rather than by CO2 specifically. Carbon may take on the form of a solid (by itself or combined with other atoms) and it can be combined into liquid form, and can be combined into various gases. I'll try and find out what the estimates are for carbon in the form of CO2 specifically (that'll be a fun exercise I'm sure). It seems to me that the CO2 output of human activity is being exaggerated greatly by measuring the amounts in carbon while implying that the total amounts are in the form of CO2.

  10. by Deacon
    Sat Mar 24, 2007 10:43 am
    One point I think it's worth noting is that Venus' atmosphere is approximately 95% CO2 and Earth's atmosphere is approximately 0.0360% CO2.

    Roughly a difference of 2638.89 times.

    Why is it worth noting? Simply due to the percentages involved, and the fact that Venus is a TRUE greenhouse world with temperatures well over 800 degrees.

    Now I do not honestly believe that CO2 is the be all and end all of "greenhouse" gas villains it is made out to be.

    A gas that makes up less than 4% of the Earth's atmosphere up to a being of 25 km being to blame for the majority of global warming?

    Yeah, sure it is.

    Frankly I think there are a lot of other factors being played with in the matter of global warming, and while CO2 is a convenient foil for activists and the like to grab on to, focusing in on it alone is a foolish methodology to use.

    Methane?

    Well, considering that methane is present at levels 219 times LOWER than CO2, at .000174%, I think it's safe to take that off the list of culprits as well.

    If we want to find out exactly what the main driver behind the apparent increase in the temperature of the Earth really is, we'll have to look beyond the ideas currently in vogue.

    I'm not saying that global warming isn't real. I am however saying that the currently perceived guilty parties may not be the real culprits they are made out to be.

    We doubt the MSM on matters political, yet we buy into what they pump out when it comes to "greenhouse gases".

    Am I the only one who sees anything wrong with this picture?

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    The two most common things in the universe are apparently Hydrogen and stupidity.

  11. by Deacon
    Sat Mar 24, 2007 10:46 am
    "A gas that makes up less than 4% of the Earth's atmosphere up to a being of 25 km being to blame for the majority of global warming?"

    Should read as

    "A gas that makes up less than .004% of the Earth's atmosphere up to a being of 25 km being to blame for the majority of global warming?"


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    The two most common things in the universe are apparently Hydrogen and stupidity.

  12. by Deacon
    Sat Mar 24, 2007 10:50 am
    "Well, considering that methane is present at levels 219 times LOWER than CO2, at .000174%, I think it's safe to take that off the list of culprits as well."

    should read

    "Well, considering that methane is present at levels 21.9 times LOWER than CO2, at .000174%, I think it's safe to take that off the list of culprits as well."

    It's 2:50 am, and I'm tired. So sue me for making some mistakes. :P



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    The two most common things in the universe are apparently Hydrogen and stupidity.

  13. by Deacon
    Sat Mar 24, 2007 11:01 am
    Check this out, from the Wikipedia:<br />
    <br />
    "Water vapor is a naturally occurring greenhouse gas and accounts for the largest percentage of the greenhouse effect. Water vapor concentrations fluctuate regionally, but human activity does not directly affect water vapor concentrations except at very local scales."<br />
    <br />
    <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_gases">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_gases</a><br />
    <br />
    Gee, the biggest contributor by far is something governments can't regulate and corporations can't turn into a exchangeable commodity , and no one says a peep about it.<br />
    <br />
    And folks wonder why I'm sceptical. <br />
    <br />
    <p>---<br>The two most common things in the universe are apparently Hydrogen and stupidity.

  14. Sat Mar 24, 2007 5:33 pm
    If you read my posts above, you'll see that you are not alone in scratching your head over the impossibility of CO2 being the cause of a global warming scare. From my research into the subject, it seems that over the internet at least, the global warming scam is being cracked wide open, much like the 9/11 scam was cracked in cyberspace as well. Only if you keep on watching TV and reading the newsprint will you continue to live in fear of frying up like an egg because someone lit a match.

    PS: ever wonder what happens to the 22% of oxygen in the earth atmosphere that is required to burn all of the CO2 producing fuel? That's 2 atoms of oxygen for every molecule of CO2. Getting hard to breathe is it?

    I have to repeat that I'm in no way defending the big polluters of this world, but a scam is a scam even if it appeals to the common senses of those who wish our world was being treated in a better way.



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