Letter To Paul Martin

Posted on Tuesday, November 09 at 12:47 by Anonymous
The American administration, a neo-conservative cabal, with the puppet president Bush as their mouthpiece intend to weaponize space. They intend to adhere to their doctrine of first strike with the complete domination of the surface of this planet utilizing targetable space weaponry that can be brought to bear on any country, facility or person from orbit. Though this may take years, and though the hardware and systems are not yet there for them to accomplish this, I have no doubt that their technological ingenuity supplemented by a large dose of money will allow them to achieve this one day in the not to distant future. Once they have that capacity there will be no more resistance to their ideas anywhere on the globe. They will dictate every aspect of life here on Earth and anyone who disagrees, any country that will not tow the line will be brought low, and there will be no turning it around! The principal on Manifest Destiny on a global scale with no recourse for anyone, ever! It will not matter whether their is a change of government in four years. Once the Industrial Military Complex and the Illuminati have started this engine there will be no turning it off! The information about this is accessible to everyone including an ordinary person such as myself. I am sure you too have seen the United States Space Command website, and since you are Prime Minister you have access to far more information than a blogger in Victoria! Thus my astonishment and frustration in your lockstep position with this extraordinarily dangerous group of fanatics and ideologues. This kind of position from Stephen Harper I understand as he is just a boy dressed up like a man, who will do anything to please his right wing masters. For him compliance is the only way to handle the bullies that are our neighbours. From you I expect more! We as humans are faced with unprecedented challenges in this new century. The days of wine and roses are over! Rampant consumerism, market driven economics, environmental destruction for the sake of owning more "stuff", globalization, the total elimination of our fossil fuel resources, ideological confrontation, the horrors of day to day life faced by most of our brothers and sisters on the globe, and a host of other pressing issues are forcing all of us to take a stand. Appeasement, and conversation will no longer be enough. Our way of life will change regardless of what course of action we take, so as Canadians we need to do what we have always done; take a stand for peace and freedom, take a stand for the dignity of all human beings, take a stand for global community and working together to deal with these challenges. We need to face the future with all other peoples firm in the knowledge that the Earth is a finite space, that can either become an Eden or a wasteland. This opportunity to stand and be counted if missed will plunge us into a future that terrifies me, my children and all people of goodwill everywhere. It is time you chose which path you will follow and for your sake and ours I pray that it will be the Canadian path. The world is watching. The peoples of the globe look to our nation to set examples. There are no more borders to the exchange of information. Though we are few, we are called upon to stand up to our neighbourhood bully on behalf of everyone here on Spaceship Earth. This is our role in this drama and we must not shirk from it!! For decades we have gone to the Americans, cap in hand, as if we cannot have a good life without them giving it to us. The fact is we have what they need and it's about time we started to use this leverage, a principal that any good businessman or politician understands, to distance ourselves from their fanaticism, and bring to bear the considerable weight that we have here in North America. We have the oil, the water, and the minerals that they need. They have nothing that we cannot live without. I can do without their consumer goods, their dollar, and any other items they may have, as can all Canadians. We are the richest country on the planet and though there would be challenges to our lifestyle we could cut ourselves off from them tomorrow and do just fine! Canadians have had to tighten their belts before. Many of us have put their lives on the line for far less than what is at stake here and done so willingly. Do you have the courage to take a stand? Do you have the guts to lead Canada? Can you make the commitment to a world begging for a new kind of leadership that this large, but relatively insignificant country will not be forced into agreements or actions that are against the principles of freedom and brotherhood that are the foundation of our democracy? To set an example for this century? It is crystal clear to me, and I believe to most Canadians, that once we set out on this course to the euphemistically named "Missile Defence" there will be no turning back. The interconnectedness, the tendrils of corporate money, "Free" Trade, momentum and the system itself will prevent us from changing direction. There are many many examples of this in our history with our neighbour. I know that I speak for most Canadians in this letter. I speak from my heart and the underlying principals, rights, and longings that connect all human beings to our commonalities, not our differences in these challenging times. We, as a species are at a crossroad, and whether we like it or not it is time to choose the course of peace, inclusion, and co-operation, with each other and with our wonderful planet, though it may seem difficult and fraught with problems. If we choose the other direction I truly believe that the consequences will be grave, not just for us but for the future of mankind. Are you too blind to see this? Are you so weak morally and ethically that bending over to group of dangerous industrialists for a few concessions, and short term dollars is more important than leading us to our place in a bold new bright future? Has the chance of "membership" in this group of warmongers blinded you to what is at stake? For the sake of all of us I pray that my sense of who you are is not so. I would prefer that you simply tell the Americans no, and send a message that will galvanize the free world. I would prefer to have a hero lead us forward. If this is not who you choose to be then all Canadians must have the right to speak up on this matter. Any precipitous action to comply with the Americans on this bogus plan will lead not only to your political demise but will assure you a legacy of cowardice for the future. Come on Paul, take a stand and let's get to it!! I am a proud Canadian and ready to do whatever it takes, are you? For the possibility of a bold, bright future for all of us! Peter K. Vickers

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  1. Tue Nov 09, 2004 9:12 pm
    Actually, the free world is already galvanized - Britain, Japan, Australia, Israel and others are all on-board with the program. That's why Canada should stop neglecting defence issues and get on board sooner rather than later. There are a lot of rather nasty countries developing missiles in the world, so a defence against this threat is prudent.

  2. Tue Nov 09, 2004 10:25 pm
    we cant give in to this evil just because others are being weak! What are u, a child who has to feel popular?!

  3. Tue Nov 09, 2004 10:58 pm
    The bloody system doesn't work.

    It will not work !!

    What part of "doesn't work" don't you understand ??


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    "Arrogance is unacceptable. Do it to my face, and I will react" - Jim Callaghan

  4. Wed Nov 10, 2004 3:35 am
    That's not the point, shhhh. :-)


    Bomarc Missile , anyone? Patriot missile? BMD? Any takers?

  5. Wed Nov 10, 2004 5:37 am
    "Actually, the free world is already galvanized - Britain, Japan, Australia, Israel and others are all on-board with the program. That's why Canada should stop neglecting defence issues and get on board sooner rather than later. There are a lot of rather nasty countries developing missiles in the world, so a defence against this threat is prudent."

    Name one, no wait, name: "a lot of rather nasty countries developing missles." Show me evidence, pictures, and documents that prove these countries are:

    A:Nasty (as you put it)

    or that they are:

    B:Not starting to build arms for their own defence, but for offence. {As is the US' defence(excuse)for having weapons.}

    C:After that prove to me that they can reach my backyard, and intend on launching them into my backyard.

    D:When that is proven, you can then prove to me that the shield will work.

    Proove all of this, and then MAYBE the BMD would deserve some real considerations by the people. And I can tell you the average citizens concerns are more than how much money the arms manufacturers are going to get.

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    "Those who would sacrifice a little Liberty for more Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -Benjamin Franklin

  6. Wed Nov 10, 2004 6:55 am
    Iran is a nasty country that recently voted to continue work towards nuclear weapons, during the vote they were shouting 'Death to America' and America is our backyard.
    And Iran already has a well established missile program.

    Perhaps you should do some research if you know so little about what's going on in the world that you're not even aware of the plethora of missile programs out there.

  7. Wed Nov 10, 2004 6:47 pm
    This sounds a lot like the French attitude towards the Germans must have been in the 1930's.

    "Oh prove to me they want to attack us. Maybe once they are marching through Paris then I might maybe believe you. Show me pictures and give me eyewitness testimony and show me some dead bodies and some film or just shut up."

    I'm glad that Canada relies on the USA for its defense and not the other way around.

  8. Thu Nov 11, 2004 1:51 am
    Canada should and can rely on itself!

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    Dave Ruston

  9. Thu Nov 11, 2004 7:48 am
    "they were shouting 'Death to America' and America is our backyard." Who is "they"??? Iran? I've never met 'Iran.' So a group of people shouting something that was translated to your ears is a representation of an entire country. Then there's <a href="http://news.google.ca/news?hl=en&ned=ca&ie=UTF-8&q=Nuclear+work+would+cease+under+accord+Kansas+">this read it!</a> Now you use the word plethora. Plethora: A superabundance; an excess. You can do some research yourself, I only know of the countries that the US has accused of starting 'threatening' nuclear programs. Then there's D, and also C's answer was wrong. My backyard is an alley with a noisey car that wakes me up everyday at 5:30am. Attacks on Americans are not <b>my</b> doing, they are reactions to the Western culture, <b>your</b> gov't's officials insist on pushing. <p>---<br>"Those who would sacrifice a little Liberty for more Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -Benjamin Franklin

  10. Thu Nov 11, 2004 8:07 am
    "Oh prove to me they want to attack us. Maybe once they are marching through Paris then I might maybe believe you. Show me pictures and give me eyewitness testimony and show me some dead bodies and some film or just shut up."

    Sometimes it's hard to be civil! Especially with comments like that. Canada, doesn't need to rely on anyone...quite honestly, we haven't been attacked by any other countries other than the US. Please, since it is Rememberance Day today, could you refrain from comparing today's world's wars with WWII, show some respect for the soldiers that truly fought for freedom!

    Also, it is ironic you would say: "once they are marching through Paris then I might maybe believe you" when in all FACT (SEE THAT WORD?) your 'almighty America' knew there were soldiers marching on Paris, and saw Canadian and International soldiers dying, but still waited until late 1941 to join the war. Infact: 4/11/1939: the USA Congress passes a neutrality act (aka: Why get involved when we can make money?).

    So your analogy is off base.
    :)

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    "Those who would sacrifice a little Liberty for more Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -Benjamin Franklin

  11. Thu Nov 11, 2004 3:11 pm
    A: Nasty countries (you asked for plural): North Korea, Iran, Pakistan (current "ally" but significant number of rogue elements within military and nuclear programme), Saudi Arabia (ruling class "ally" is in danger of being overthrown)
    B: Offensive production - North Korean test of balistic missle flys over Japan last year, Iranian military already has missles within the 2500km range and is pursuing a "nuclear detterent", Pakistan already has both nukes and missles capable of delivering warheads throughout India and has test fired new missles to extend their range, Saudia Arabia does not have nukes, but does have the missles.
    C: can they reach - None can currently reach here (only Western Nations, China and Russia can do that currently) but as above, Iran, Pakistan and North Korea are actively pursuing these goals. Intent - North Korea's intents are vague at best since they shield everything in double speak. Suffice it to say that they are intent on staying in power and don't care what happens to their people. Iran is probably more cautious, but extremist elements within the ruling clerics could determine that first strike against the US or allies might provide a deterrent against US military intervention. Pakistani and Saudi Arabian intents would be based on whoever was in power. If a Wahhabbi cleric takes over in either country, there intent is to establish the caliphate throughout the world.
    D: Missle sheild in it's current form will not work. Tests conducted in the past 3 years have a less than 25% success rate in shooting down balistic missles. However, the missle sheild treaty does not advocate installation in it's current form. When you sign up for the treaty, you are signing up to pony up money for development and then installation.

    As for how much the manufacturers get... well, they will make a whole truckload of bucks. And, if the system works, we will be able to continue to make our pocket full of change without worrying about an errant nuke falling on our soil as it travels to NY.

  12. Thu Nov 11, 2004 3:46 pm
    Reply to Dave Rushton:
    "Canada should and can rely on itself" in matters of defence (sic)!

    The Canadian military is not capable of preventing derelict Chinese tankers from dropping illegal immigrants on our coast - how can we defend our coasts?

    The Canadian military cannot fly their helicopters (1 hour of flight takes 33 hours of maintenance, and when they do fly, they end up crashing into the decks of our ships)

    The Canadian military's new subs are now all in dock until we find out why they catch fire and kill our sailors.

    These issues are not the fault of the military. They are the fault of the average Canadian for allowing successive governments to neglect and underfund an institution that you seem to think can stand up for us. It can't until we stand up for it. The military needs soldiers, money and equipment if we are ever going to be able to rely on ourselves and not America.

  13. Thu Nov 11, 2004 7:33 pm
    First of all, get a sign in it's annoying keeping track of you anons! Now: Nasty countries, would be countries that you name then name what they are doing that is nasty that the US is not doing. Since I would assume that the US is in your 'opinion' not 'nasty' how can you call countries that do EXACTLY THE SAME THING nasty? Here's your logic: "Pakistan (current "ally" but significant number of rogue elements within military and nuclear programme)" who are the elements? You don't really know. Name them! "Saudi Arabia (ruling class "ally" is in danger of being overthrown)" So yet another ally that is going to attack America? Wouldn't you assume that maybe they are going to get overthrown because the people don't want rich oil families building bombs and holding hands with Americans who have no interest in 'their' (the citizens) well being? No you don't, you assume they are going to attack us. Assumtions are not a reason to build a missle shield that you call less than 25% effective, but I am getting to that! "B: Offensive production - North Korean test of balistic missle flys over Japan last year, Iranian military already has missles within the 2500km range and is pursuing a "nuclear detterent." The US had it's chance with these two countries. Now the EU is working with Iran to offer them SOMETHING instead of threatening them with SOMETHING. Also, talks with North Korea ended when the US decided to treat them like second class citizens, to which they have publicly admitted <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/911587.stm">regrets to.</a> "C: can they reach - None can currently reach here." OK. So I made my point. Especially since it's been years and years now since China and Russia has had weapons, which they have yet to use! "D: Missle sheild in it's current form will not work. Tests conducted in the past 3 years have a less than 25% success rate in shooting down balistic missles. However, the missle sheild treaty does not advocate installation in it's current form. When you sign up for the treaty, you are signing up to pony up money for development and then installation." Ok Bush has 4 years. So basically. He has 4 years to get a project into action, let's face it he's not waiting around for 100% success rate! Really it's a 100% success rate you'd need to protect your country from a nuclear weapon. "As for how much the manufacturers get... well, they will make a whole truckload of bucks. And, if the system works, we will be able to continue to make our pocket full of change without worrying" Did you ever stop and think...it was the US of A that developed the Nuclear Bomb and most other 'WMD' you can name. Isn't that wrong? Also isn't it the US that dropped bombs on civilians in WWII? Also isn't it the US that still bitches about Pearl Harbour, while the Japanese who are STILL being born with birth defects have forgiven the Americans? I think you are way off base. Here's my stance. Nuclear weapons are not safe for any nation to own. If I were being labelled a terrorist state before I had started making the weapons I would be afraid of an attack from the US. So what do you do in the idiotic world we live in? Build detterent bombs. Do I defend these nations? No. Do I think the US is retarded for keeping nuclear weapons? Yes. Is it the US that refuses to sign treaties banning the weapons? Yes. Is it the US that has developed these weapons and made them far more dangerous? Yes. Is it the US that has over the years leaked documents to other nations about building weapons? give me a Y, give me an E, you get it. Wait you don't and that's why I continue to battle your misinformation with my logic! Nuclear weapons are bad for everyone. Weapons in space!?!?! I can't speak for Jesus (although GWB can!), but I can guess that if that guy was around today, he'd tell you that this was not the sins he was planning on dying for! Maybe that's why some of the guys who dropped the bombs in Japan have killed themselves since!<p>---<br>"Those who would sacrifice a little Liberty for more Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -Benjamin Franklin

  14. Fri Nov 12, 2004 12:39 am
    First - I'll appologize for the length of what follows.

    And now I have a sign in. Solved your first issue.

    "name then name what they are doing that is nasty that the US is not doing" - The US does bad things, I can't say different. That doesn't excuse or justify anyone else from doing it. What I don't see the US doing is deliberately targetting civilians of nations that they are not at war with (and even then the civilian population is not specifically targetted since WWII in which we and every other country involved did the same thing). That is not to say that they don't kill way too many civilians as collateral damage, nor does it excuse that carnage.

    Pakistan Rouge Elements (I'll name them with some context so you can look up details if you want):
    nuclear scientist Abdul Qadeer Khan - father of the Pakistani A-bomb. Sold nuclear secrets to Libya (another nasty nation who targetted civilians in a jetliner over Lockerbie, Scotland and was looking into nuclear production but couldn't afford it), Iran and North Korea.
    Nek Muhammad - tribal leader and supporter of Al Queda and Taliban. Linked to Inter-Services Intelligence (Pakistan's version of the CIA)
    Umma Tameer-e-Nau - a non-governmental organization of Pakistani scientists employed in Pakistans chemical, biological and nuclear (CBN) infrastructure who have provided CBN info to the Taliban. Led by Hafiz Muhammad Saeed.
    Lieutenant-General Hamid Gul - ex leader of the Inter-Services Intelligence. Helped put Muhammed Omar into power in the Taliban. Provided intelligence to Taliban and Al Queda. Active in government until '92, his successors and followers within the ISI have continued this pro-Taliban slant.
    Let me know if you want more, because there are plenty. These people are opposed to President Musharraf's involvement with the US. Twice the President has narrowly escaped an assassination attempt in the past 2 years. No direct link from ISI to these extremists however.

    The people who want to overthrow the Saudi government are not the average Saudi citizen. It is the Wahhabists, who are Al Queda aligned and provide financing to Al Queda and other terrorist organizations both within Saudi Arabia and other countries. These are the people who have been conducting the attacks within the kingdom and killing the foreigners. They want all foreigners out, they want to re-establish the caliphate, and they feel the only way to effectively do that is to bankrupt the West (not just America). They do not discriminate about nationality, they kill you if you are not "their" kind of muslim (they kill many muslims in the country as well). They have proven that time and again - and yes, if you request it, I will give you examples of them killing Western non-Americans in both Saudi Arabia and other countries. So yes, I assume, based on their past actions that they would indeed attack us if given the means and opportunity.

    Your next point goes on to defend North Korea and Iran. Two countries that encourage various terrorist organizations around the world. North Korea starves their own people. Iran is finally coming around sort of, albeit with extreme resistance to change. The governments of these two nations embody scum, and you defend them. I don't even know how to respond to this.

    "None can currently reach here. OK. So I made my point." What point is that - we should wait for someone to build a missle with a nuclear warhead that can reach before we bother to figure out a defense? Nice point. Do you bother swerve to miss the oncoming traffic, or do you figure that you'll deal with it afterward?

    "it's been years and years now since China and Russia has had weapons" - China has between 10-30 deployed ICBM's. They have been deploying at an increasing rate since 1995. Russia has deployed 30+ mobile Topol M SS-X-27(their new mobile version replaces the static Topol M SS-25) by year 2000. They have 350-400 active ICBM's which is less that the 800 they are allowed under START II. Seems like they have plenty to go around to me, and they are still doing research.

    Your next arguement is that this needs to be done in 4 years at a 100% success rate. The treaty has no deadline for implementation, and if any military treaty (NORAD, NATO, START II, etc...) can be of reference, they take years to implement. Bush might push something out in the interim, as it is politically expedient, but it would not be any sort of final form. Additionally, nothing is 100% successful. The missle defence system is the "bullet to stop a bullet" system. The system is not designed to stop everything, it's designed to be the best possible defense available against something that is almost impossible to stop. It's designed to put people's minds at ease more than anything else. It's a political placebo.

    "Did you ever stop and think...it was the US of A that developed the Nuclear Bomb and most other 'WMD' you can name." - yep, and so did China, USSR, France, Britain, Pakistan, India, Israel, South Africa (renounced them)...

    "Isn't that wrong?" - nope. Mutually assured destruction saved the world during the cold war. Without the bomb, world war III would have happened.

    "Also isn't it the US that dropped bombs on civilians in WWII?" - The US was the only country to drop the A Bomb, yes. However, more civilians were killed by other countries in bombing civilian targets throughout the war by both sides. Canada, US and Britain against Dresden, US firebombing Tokyo, Germany against London, etc...

    "Also isn't it the US that still bitches about Pearl Harbour..." - please provide examples of said "bitching". Remembering history is not bitching, it is reciting facts from your perspective (skewed though it might be).

    "If I were being labelled a terrorist state ... " You do know why these countries are labelled terrorist states, right? They sponsor killers, suicide bombers, hijackers, kidnappers, etc... And please don't say the US does the same. The US does not go around kidnapping innocent random civilians off the street - though it does kill them and calls it collateral damage.

    Please continue to battle my misinformation with your logic. I find your arguements very entertaining and it gives me a chance to view things from a very different perspective that mine.

    Thanks



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