Quebec Vets Battle Bloc Over Flag

In all fairness and based on the information provided, the issue seems to involve a particular Bloc MP rather than the Bloc as a whole. The article indicates other Bloc MPs are accomodating in this regard.

Riding constituents and Bloc leadership may question the judgement of their representative in this particular regard. However, based on the facts presented in the article, there is no reason to believe the issue is representative of the Bloc view as a whole or is requiring of input from those other than riding constituents/Bloc leadership.

However, I'm sure we'll get lots.

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"When we are in the middle of the paradigm, it is hard to imagine any other paradigm" (Adam Smith).

I certainly can't understand why a Legion would avoid all channels given to them to obtain yet another flag and go the route they had, and ask a politican to pull one out of his back pocket. If they discovered a shortage of Canadian flags and the Union Jack, why hadn't they approached the DVA prior. I wonder if they ask local policians for needed Berets as well.

oesn't change my opinion of heardline separatists. This isn't new for them. Over the years some have said "Remembrance Day is irrelevant to us, Quebec wasn't at war."

Never mind the fact that they owe their freedom to Canadian soldiers, among other. Pigs.

And I quote:

Bloc leader Gilles Duceppe said Bloc MP's have been told not to personally distribute flags.

"People will receive them if they want them, but we won't open a shop in our office to distribute Canadian flags," Duceppe said Thursday.

From the Toronto Star.

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Conten ... alogin=yes

As long as you live in Canada, you are Canadian. Get over it !!

By the way, the article is under the title "Canada."


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"Arrogance is unacceptable. Do it to my face, and I will react" - Jim Callaghan

Gilles Duceppe is a phony, lying scumbag.

However, a number of Francophone and Anglophone Quebec natives fought and died in both world wars, regardless of whatever some politico today chooses to say.

Let's keep in mind non-Quebec MPs say and do a lot of stupid stuff as well.

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"When we are in the middle of the paradigm, it is hard to imagine any other paradigm" (Adam Smith).

Pigs? Could you be a more specific, explain what you mean. I know you are erudite from reading other posts you have made. Calling Gilles a lying bla bla bla should be backed up with some documentation. It is not as if French Canadians haven't been discriminated against within Canada. They do have reasons to want to terminate Canada. I don't want Quebec to separate anymore than I want Alberta to separate. If Quebec did separate I think the US would walk in, to preserve the national peace, and that would be the end of Canada. United we stand, divided we fall.

Yeah sorry. I've posted my thoughts on separatism quite a bit. You can look my posts up, but essentially, I think separatism is based largely on myths.

Unfortuantely it has become a huge part of our political culture. Duceppe? Well, he claimed he wasn't running for sovcereignty, just ot oppose Martin's social record, then when he won: "This win is major acceptance for separatism...." blah, b;ah, he'll say anything to get elected.

No other country would allow a minority group, even one as historically important as the French-Canadians, to get even CLOSE to breaking up a country. Referendums on issues of treason should be banned, as they are in most coutnries. But we're supposed to live the big hoax that separation is what the Quebecers want, even though they've rejected it twice. Or 50 times. They still "want it", they just haven't gotten it yet.

Was Quebec ever oppressed? No. Not more than Newfoundland. Not more than Canada's Ukrainians. The French Canadians are a nation, but so are many other groups, and Quebec is NOT a nation--it is a province that contains many nations.

I have never seen such inferiority as our corrupt poltiical leadship, allowing Canadians to believe for 40 years that French-Canadians were oppressed, simply because they didn't have the legal right to dominate everyone else in an ethnocentric, racist state.

Language police? Sign laws? What is this, the Third Reich? They don't even follow the Canada health act, and they have more manufacturing jobs than every other province put together, otehr than Ontario. They get billions in handouts--but they're oppressed. HA!

Never mind the fact that the Hudon's Bay Company owned the northern two-thirds of QUebec, which was given to them under the condition they'd stay in Canada.

People are so easily deluded. If Quebec separates--the Bilderbergers will get what they want. Nobody else will.

I think we all get it by now, Perturbed.

Various Canadian governments elected by the citizens of Canada have obviously not chosen to view Quebec sovereignist activity as treason.

I think you're bright enough not to let your emotions get the best of you re: terms like 'pigs', etc. Namecalling, profanity, etc., from any source isn't likely to impress newcomers to Vive or make them desirous of revisiting.



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"When we are in the middle of the paradigm, it is hard to imagine any other paradigm" (Adam Smith).

I think this is an other example of a thrash news that examplify that people default behaviour is to enjoy spreading hate. I think these Vets could have gotten their Canadian flags easily if they had tried elsewhere. They chosed to make their political statement instead. The Blocs spreaded the hate a bit further. And the media picked up the story. And then the political agenda peddlers and pushers. And now the people will pick up on this like cheap drugs, the hotlines, the letter's to newspaper, the forums, etc... I hope Vive will not make a 24 pager soap story out of nothing and that we eventually learn some lessons on the value of ranting.

I read this old chinese wisdom this morning: "it is better to light a candle than to curse the darkness"... even if does not get media coverage.

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"We are all in this together somehow, some more than others somehow"

PS Pertubed: have you considered the merits of going on an icefloe with Delenda, Samuel and or Michou to solve the Quebec problem?

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"We are all in this together somehow, some more than others somehow"

It stands to reason that the Bloc will not make itself the
promoter of Canadian federalism just as Canada does
not promote Québec's Fête Nationale by rising the
Fleur-de-Lysée in its honor on Parliament hill.

This story reminds me of another. Anybody
remembers the story of the blind man who was told to
speak English to his "French" guide dog ?

Both are cases of bad bureaucratic judgment where
the rule for the many takes precedence over specifity
and accomodation. Most often, it is not done with
meanness in mind but just because it's the laziest
approach to resolving a new issue.

Misjudgment, stupidiy and intellectual laziness are not
attributable to any particurlaly nation or people. Even
pigs are not immune to it.

Do you really think it would work Gaulois ?
Perturbed may come back perturbé.

Could we get the video-rights whatever the outcome is? We could bid the work to radical fundamentalists on either sides and give the proceeds to Vive as a fundraiser. That would be good entertainment too off our upcoming Baffin Island field trip. We could sell tickets too for the ones that which to join the icefloe. I can't wait.

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"We are all in this together somehow, some more than others somehow"