Paul Martin: Pro-American Or Blame America?

Posted on Friday, December 12 at 12:56 by sthompson
In fact, Martin's own statements have already shown a tendency to flip-flop on issues with America, such as in the case of Maher Arar. An interesting article in McClean's highlights the fact that "More often than he'd like, a Canadian prime minister needs to be ready to blame America."

Not sure I agree with the same article's claims that U.S. Ambassador to Canada Cellucci "frames the war rift not in economic, but familial terms" because he "knows better than to make such odious linkages" (hello? The man threatened economic/trade reprisals over Iraq several times, and suggested we could smooth over difficulties by giving the US more access to our energy) but otherwise well worth a read.

There's hope--Martin still has to answer to the Canadian people, no matter how pro-American he may want to be.

Note: Pro-American takes over... interesting article in ...

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  1. Fri Dec 12, 2003 10:44 pm
    As was discussed here a week or two ago - does being pro-American really mean being Anti-Canadian?<p> <p>---<br>"History does not repeat itself, but it does rhyme" Mark Twain

  2. Fri Dec 12, 2003 11:19 pm
    No, being pro American when it comes to befriending the common American, is not anti-Canadian. But history has shown that when treasonist losers like Mulroney and Chretien \'befriend\' American presidents and corporations, the Canadian people lose out. Look at NAFTA and chapter 11. This is designed to dismantle health care, crown corporations, pubilc education, and ultimately, our sovereignty! Look at the energy clause in NAFTA. According to this \'brilliant\' deal, Canada cannot diminish shipment of oil or natural gas to the states even if our own domestic need is in jeopardy. Wow! With friends like that....What we need is a government that will not be a bunch of COWARDS AND SELLOUTS!!! It`s like, if we don`t suck up to the US in the way their leaders want us to, then according to them, THE FRIENDSHIP IS OFF!! With Martin being America`s little whore, we`re in trouble! Sad to say but Canada has to assert itself vs that rogue superpower!!! Besides, if a \'friend\' kept defecating on you, would you still be their friend? I DON`T THINK SO!

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    Dave Ruston

  3. Sat Dec 13, 2003 5:11 am
    \"If you are in a pile of shit, warm and happy, don\'t say a word.\"

    So says the little bird that fell into a pile of poop on a cold day !!

    Paul Martin has surrounded himself with Continentalists, only interested in the almighty dollar ! They only believe in the Americanization of Canada !!

    They will take every advantage they can find to undermine our system. Then they will dominate, and we are toast !

    If you say nothing, then you will be happy with that. If you do not want to become a Second-Class American, then Speak Up !!

    We can\'t do it for you, we need numbers. We need numbers in the millions !! Get used to it.

    Otherwise, get used to being an American, without the right to vote, without the right to a decent job with benefits, and With the right to be Poor !!

    For you will be poor !!!!!!!!!!!




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    "Arrogance in Politics is unacceptable"
    Jim Callaghan
    Minden, Ontario
    705-286-1860
    www.misterc.ca

  4. Sat Dec 13, 2003 5:15 am
    To answer Dr. Caleb, in one word,

    YESSSSSSSSS !!!!

    They won\'t have it any other way. Dominance is the only way they know to do business !!




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    "Arrogance in Politics is unacceptable"
    Jim Callaghan
    Minden, Ontario
    705-286-1860
    www.misterc.ca

  5. Sat Dec 13, 2003 6:41 am
    Way to be subtle....I love you Dave!

  6. Sat Dec 13, 2003 7:27 am
    I like subtle. It makes for a different slant on things.

    If you can\'t see a little humour in everything, then you might as well roll over in your grave.

    Keep up the good work, I enjoy a little humour !!



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    "Arrogance in Politics is unacceptable"
    Jim Callaghan
    Minden, Ontario
    705-286-1860
    www.misterc.ca

  7. Sat Dec 13, 2003 7:05 pm
    Is what we are often accused of...anti-Americanism...really anti-American, or is it pro-American?

    If I see my neighbour getting himself into trouble by engaging in behaviour that will lead to his long-term destruction, I speak out in an attempt to help him. The way I see it, speaking out against the policies of the US government is very much like that. The trade and economic policies of the US government are leading to the downfall of the US.

  8. Sat Dec 13, 2003 7:36 pm
    I agree. In the paper today I saw a comment to the effect that the U.S. doesn\'t care about rules. Our rules. Their rules. Anybody\'s rules.

    My question is: how do you think you are going to make any difference in the American way of thinking ?

    They will just look at you as if you just stepped out of a UFO. They only know one thing: Power. And they have it in spades !!

    When do you think they will give up that power ? In your lifetime ?

    I wonder. I doubt it. Trying to help a friend in need is noble, but just try helping a friend that doesn\'t want to be helped.





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    "Arrogance in Politics is unacceptable"
    Jim Callaghan
    Minden, Ontario
    705-286-1860
    www.misterc.ca

  9. Sat Dec 13, 2003 8:17 pm
    I agree, you can look at defying the US as a way of actually trying to help them in the long run, but as Jim said, they don`t want any help. It`s like trying to reason with Ted Bundy that he should give up the serial killer thing!

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    Dave Ruston

  10. Sat Dec 13, 2003 8:25 pm
    Hey Dave, do you have a brother ?

    Do you want one ??

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    "Arrogance in Politics is unacceptable"
    Jim Callaghan
    Minden, Ontario
    705-286-1860
    www.misterc.ca

  11. Sat Dec 13, 2003 8:40 pm
    You ARE my brother, from another, MOTHER!

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    Dave Ruston

  12. Sat Dec 13, 2003 8:47 pm
    Me too, that\'s what I meant!

  13. by N Say
    Sat Dec 13, 2003 11:28 pm
    STOP saying pro/anti Canadian/American, all of you! This isn\'t a totalitarian state & I don\'t want it to be! As far as I know, that concept only exists in totalitarian states, like the Soviet Union under Brezhnev or in Brazil under the junta. That phrase anti-American I think is used by people who can\'t deny the truth of simple statements like the USA has attempted to overthrow >40 governments in the last 50yrs but don\'t want to hear it. STOP saying that everybody! Esp. about Canada!

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    "So many right-wing Christians, so few lions." - t-shirt I saw @ school

  14. Sun Dec 14, 2003 5:10 am
    Well, of course you too! That`s what I envision, all of us, sisters and brothers, with the maple leaf as our heart, and maple syrup as our blood!

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    Dave Ruston



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