Ian Bush Shooting Self-Defence, Commission Chair Concludes

I am completely horrified by the circumstances of the murder of Ian Bush and don't believe anything the RCMP have reported about it since what the RCMP have reported is simply not reasonable to believe. At this point all members of the public have significant reason to fear the RCMP and to believe their lives are in danger if approached or taken into custody by the RCMP, supporting that citizens can not be blamed for taking any action to protect themselves from the RCMP since based on what we now know it is reasonable that RCMP officers are a threat to our lives.

Further since it is clear that RCMP officers understand that they will not in any way be held accountable for misconduct, including obvious cold blooded murder, we can expect more and more serious and criminal misconduct by RCMP officers against the public who know there will be no consequences for their misconduct and that they will be fully supported and protected by those that govern them, regardless of the facts and evidence, as history shows us this is the result of such serious corruption and lack of consequences and accountability.

The Harper government are clearly seriously corrupt and hypocritical as the evidence shows that while they report they are committed to cracking down on crime, they clearly are allowing the RCMP to become the criminals and to seriously victimize the public, which in turn is only going to lead to greater and greater chaos putting Canadians at far greater risk, as well as good decent honourable RCMP officers, which I believe their still are, at far greater risk...and not in any way making things better or protecting the public as they have committed to doing and are obligated to do.

Also this is a democracy that establishes that RCMP officers are not above the law but rather are to be treated equally in accordance to our laws, as any Canadian would be, so those in charge are seriously negligent for failing to hold RCMP officers accountable for negligent and criminal misconduct and are sending a very dangerous message to the public that will only result in putting us all at far greater risk. If those responsible for upholding the law are clearly breaking it as the RCMP clearly are and have,and being allowed to get away with doing so, than the public have no reason to respect the RCMP or those that govern them, or the law and only chaos and the deterioration our society and quality of life, etc...can result.

Also in accordance to the laws and legislation of our country, and our guarenteed rights, the rules applied to these RCMP officers that have committed murder must then be applied to all citizens that commit murder, which of course would never be acceptable and would put all of us at very serious risk, since members of the public would never get away with the excuses and clearly fraudulent defenses that have been used to attempt to justify the murders committed by the RCMP in the news at this time.

And further, in accordance to our guaranteed rights and the example set by the RCMP, Canadians accused of a crime, including taking the life of another human being, should be allowed to investigate themselves and decide for themselves whether they should be held accountable and criminally responsible, since again in accordance to the rules and laws and our guaranteed rights in this country, we are all to be treated equally, which again is completely unacceptable, as I'm sure the RCMP would be the first ones to protest should the public be allowed to investigate themselves when they have taken another human beings life or when they have been accused of possible criminal misconduct, proving that it is very obvious that it is completely unacceptable that the RCMP are being allowed to investigate themselves. We are simply not stupid enough to find this acceptable.

It is clearly in the public's best interest, who the RCMP are supposed to be serving and PROTECTING,(though the RCMP and those that govern them have clearly forgotten this fact), to have all police officers suspected of serious misconduct or involved in situations that raise serious questions about their conduct, especially when it involves the taking of another human beings life, investigated by an absolutely independent committee which includes members of the public, and that all of these investigations be totally open and public, since after all this is a democracy, or is supposed to be.

Canadians and our country are in very serious trouble and it is only going to get worse if we don't speak out and stand up and fight the obvious corruption in our country and it is clear that we can not count on the RCMP or those that govern them to protect us and that is unacceptable.

"who the RCMP are supposed to be serving and PROTECTING"

The misconception is that the RCMP was created to serve the publics interest and to protect us from criminals. The reality is that the RCMP (see note below) was established as the first line of defense to protect the government above all else. Giving the otherwise thumb-twiddling RCMP duties that appear to serve the public is just a public relations ploy that in the past succeeded, but now has clearly backfired miserably.

If the RCMP become unable to protect the government, the military is the next to step up to the plate, and it clearly serves absolutely no one but the government and will do whatever is asked of it (that's its entire purpose).

Note: The RCMP was broken up into the RCMP and CSIS, but despite claims to the contrary these two organizations are in fact the exact same body that is completely accountability to the public.

I have a friend who was a pilot in the Canadian Forces and then became a RCMP undercover drug officer He has shared his RCMP background and told me of the mind-set instilled during training.<br />
All recruits are told that if faced with a life and death situation and they see no other way but to draw their weapon and shot, shoot to kill and they will be backed to the maximum by their superiors.<br />
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Why would anyone think this would not be the case?<br />
Another thing the recruits are trained to do is to “look for trouble' , that is to be ever vigilant for any infraction of law no matter by who.<br />
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Rookie officers because they want to make a good impression on the superior officers are always on point for rouble and that very well may be the case with the Ian Bush shooting arising out of an open beer in a public place.<br />
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These young inexperienced officers tend to take their job zealously and will pursue even the slightest infraction with a zeal that experienced members might judge to be so minor that it isn't worth the hours of paperwork that must be filed in all encounters.<br />
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Here is some of this mornings Googling, <br />
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<a href="http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4ADBF_enCA250CA250&q=Your+Canadian+Rights++%2b+police">http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4ADBF_enCA250CA250&q=Your+Canadian+Rights++%2b+police</a><br />
pay attention to what is contained in the you tube sites.<br />
The police , both in the USA and Canada behave in the manner described by my friend<br />
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some helpful info.<br />
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<a href="http://www.cleo.on.ca/english/pub/onpub/PDF/criminal/polpower.pdf">http://www.cleo.on.ca/english/pub/onpub/PDF/criminal/polpower.pdf</a><br />
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<a href="http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4ADBF_enCA250CA250&q=Your+Canadian+Rights++%2b+police">http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4ADBF_enCA250CA250&q=Your+Canadian+Rights++%2b+police</a> <br />
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<a href="http://www.legalinfo.org/faqs/YouandthePolice.htm">http://www.legalinfo.org/faqs/YouandthePolice.htm</a><br />
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The police DO take on a tone of authority that must not be challenges and should you decide to do so be prepared for what can only be described as abuse.<br />
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Police bullying is more common than most people realise.<br />
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I am not alone in believing that police powers in North America are being ratched up and have been ever since September Eleven, 2001.<br />
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The time is now to become fully informed of all your rights and be able to invoke them at a moments notice and do not forget the recent Supreme Court decision that the police can, and most likely will continue to question you even after you have claimed your right to silence.<br />
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On a more personal not I am thoroughly disgusted with the severe apathy of Canadians on the questions of Rights and politics as that apathy places me and others in danger of a police state gone wild.<br />
Diogenes <p>---<br>"When I tell the truth, it is not for the sake of convincing those who do not know it, but for the sake of defending those that do."<br />
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William Blake<br />
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<a href="http://www.pivotlegal.org/pdfs/RightsCards.pdf">http://www.pivotlegal.org/pdfs/RightsCards.pdf</a><br />
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Get it!<br />
Understand it! <br />
Use it!<br />
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<p>---<br>"When I tell the truth, it is not for the sake of convincing those who do not know it, but for the sake of defending those that do."<br />
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William Blake<br />
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Thank you Dio. I have printed off copies for my sons and I to carry with us at all times.

Dr Caleb explained that the Canadian Troops do not serve or protect Canadians, and you Dio have explained that the RCMP does not serve and protect Canadians, which makes absolutely no sense to me considering we live in a democracy, at least that is supposed to be what we live in in accordance to the laws and legislation of this country, and the government is supposed to be chosen by Canadians and is supposed to serve Canadians and Canadians pay through their tax dollars for the services of the RCMP and the Canadian forces and the government etc...and we have more than enough evidence to conclude that no one in the government serves or protects us/Canadians and that no one in the Canadian media serves and protects Canadians...so who does serve and protect Canadians in this so called wonderful democratic country called Canada?

What good is having all the democratic rights and freedoms we have on paper in this country if there is no one that upholds them and protects them and ensures they are respected?

The masses will continue to get pushed around and exploited, simply because they have placed their faith in a system that works against them. Massive widespread ignorance and stupidity is more dangerous than rouge police and government officials.

I just made a similar comment on the 'U.S. and Canada's 'marriage' on the rocks' thread.
It really is all interconected ain't it?

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"When I tell the truth, it is not for the sake of convincing those who do not know it, but for the sake of defending those that do."

William Blake

I don't agree with your attitude because it assumes people understand what is really going on and to be fair until recently there wasn't allot of information out there to tell someone that had had no personal experience with the police or RCMP that this was going on to the level it is.

While I agree there are allot of people who don't seem to care even when they are informed, which I agree is completely stupid, I believe there allot of people that just don't know what is going on or are too young to understand what it really means to them, so I don't think you are being completely fair.

I know I would have listened to anyone telling me about the way things really are before my personal experience, and that I would have fairly and carefully considered what they had to say and that I would have cared, so I don't think you are being fair.

And if you all know so much than tell us what we can do about it, tell us how to change it and tell us what you are doing about it, etc...because it does absolutely nothing to tell us how smart you are and how you know so much more than others and how stupid the rest of us are, but then to do nothing and suggest notihng of how to change things for the better, etc...

This is going to be a tough one for me to field, Belle, because so much of what is responded to is based on faulty reasoning, and faulty reasoning has been foisted upon us all by the Masters of the World ( <a href="http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2003/Masters-Of-The-World19apr03.htm">http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2003/Masters-Of-The-World19apr03.htm</a> ). My recent personal message to you about THE BROTHERHOOD Part 9: The Pharmaceutical Racket <a href="http://www.educate-yourself.org/nwo/brotherhoodpart9.shtml">http://www.educate-yourself.org/nwo/brotherhoodpart9.shtml</a> lays out who and how but my guess is that prior to the difficulties you now find yourself in, when you were doing well economically and had the SUV and all the other trappings we are conditioned to acquire this stuff would have held little if any interest for you <br />
And whether that was the case or not there is an abundance of those who have been conditions to mortgage ( from the Latin root, morta : to death) not only their future but the futures of any off-spring they may have.<br />
Alternatives have been offered … and ignored<br />
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First one has to recognise there is no magic solution for all people to adhere to.<br />
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When it comes to being “fair” it is not fair the you and any others have not been “fair” in learning your and maintaining your rights <br />
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[juris ignorantia est cum jus nostrum ignoramus] it is ignorance of the law when we do not know our own rights"<br />
In law: da rules of the game, we are told “ignorance of (the) law is no excuse.” And the flip side to that is, ‘we are in flagrant disregard of law when we do not exercise our rights<br />
Ans Yes I an only now in my ‘sunset years’ beginning to grasp the importance of claiming my rights <br />
You have, as a parent a heavy responsibility to educate you offspring to these facts of law and life. <br />
As do we all.<br />
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It is a linguistic trick we use on our selves to say what we would have done … if only…<br />
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It is my duty as a responsible member of society to share what I have discovered and to the ever growing best of my abilities, I do so<br />
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Now, As for what can be done about it. First one must educate them self A some what daunting task these days because the information we need is to be found in courthouse libraries that due to “cut backs” are only open randomly.<br />
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Start here <br />
<a href="http://www.lonang.com/exlibris/blackstone/">http://www.lonang.com/exlibris/blackstone/</a> <br />
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Post script<br />
On the forum section I called for “study Bubby’s’ and also did have available to me land on a layer friends property to start a co-op <br />
Guess what?<br />
No responses<br />
<p>---<br>"When I tell the truth, it is not for the sake of convincing those who do not know it, but for the sake of defending those that do."<br />
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William Blake<br />
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I missed your post til now
I stand correct then Belle because I know the same RCMP members who demand respect in all encounters with the public (on threat of tazering) will also risk their lives for any member of the public, Go figure!
I aghree that we have expectations of democracy that largely go unmet

As to who serves and protects Canadians

An appropriate question

We certainly don’t serve ourselves when we refuse to cognise (know) that all power is meant to come from us to serve us


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"When I tell the truth, it is not for the sake of convincing those who do not know it, but for the sake of defending those that do."

William Blake

What to do about it? Hmm <br />
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“…the vast majority of us have had practically no training in<br />
our lifetimes in openly defying authority. The authorities who brought us up<br />
mysteriously forgot to teach that. We may desperately want to say no, but that turns<br />
out to be a huge step that most people find impossibly huge--even when the authority<br />
is only a psychologist you never heard of running an insane experiment, and your<br />
obedience means you are probably going to kill someone. From our earliest days<br />
we are told disobedience is a sin, and obedience is a virtue, the “riht” thing to do” <br />
a cut and paste snippet from The Authoritarians<br />
<a href="http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/">http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/</a><br />
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Could the problem be in our "training"?<br />
Do we need to be de programmed?<br />
<p>---<br>"When I tell the truth, it is not for the sake of convincing those who do not know it, but for the sake of defending those that do."<br />
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William Blake<br />
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Bang on Dio!

It is a fact that I have always, regardless of my circumstances, cared about my rights and the rights of others and since my teens, (I am now 42, 43 on Saturday), have been informed to a reasonably good extent about my rights as a Canadian.

The problem does not lie in Canadians not knowing their rights but rather those with power and authority, such as the RCMP and government and the Courts and CGI in this country being seriously corrupt and not respecting the rights of Canadians.

Regardless of whether or not someone in this country is aware of their rights, those with power and authority, very much including the RCMP are expected at all times to act in accordance with the laws and legislation of our country and to respect our rights and freedoms, etc...Consider that my children and I have been severely injured and continue to be throughout the very serious injustice that has and continues to be done to us...does this mean the government and RCMP and Courts can take advantage of this as they have and continue to do? NO, the law and our rights are being very seriously violated and we are fully aware of it and have taken all possible steps to defend our rights yet those in power, including the government, the RCMP, and the Court of Queen's Bench of Alberta in Calgary and CGI, etc...continue to very seriously violate our rights regardless of us clearly knowing that they are and our reporting that they are and our going to all those responsible for ensuring that those in power act in accordance to the law and respect our rights. The problem is that all those with power and authority in Canada are very seriously corrupt, which CGI clearly is a very signifiant part of, leaving Canadians, including my sons and I, completely vulnerable to the very serious abuse and injustice we are being subjected to and all Canadians at very serious risk of suffering the same fate, including you the wise and very well informed Dio.

What about the case of children, or people with lessor means or lessor intelligence or that are disabled...does this mean tough luck for them? NO, not according to the laws and legislation of this country and the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms! The laws and legislation in this country, including the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms clearly establishes that we have important democratic rights regardless of whether we are aware of them or not, so while I fully agree all citizens should know their rights and be informed and involved, knowing our rights doesn't address the problem.

Ian Bush is not dead because he didn't know his rights...in fact maybe he is dead because he did and spoke out against the mistreatment he was subjected to and maybe that is why the RCMP officer that murdered him did so,we will never know but the fact support that an armed RCMP officer shot him in the back of the head and murdered him and knowing his rights could not have protected him from this serious criminal because criminals don't care about our rights, especially when they know no one will hold them accountable for any misconduct on their parts because of the very serious corruption that exists, not even for murderering someone.

I am not being harassed and threatened because I don't know my rights, in fact the evidence supports that exact opposite and that my knowing my rights and my filing a complaint with the RCMP against CGI for fraudulently doctoring my health records to attempt to obstruct justice and my going to the media and my filing the evidence in court that resulted in CGI and their lawyer attempting to have me wrongfully committed into a maximum security forensic psychiatric facility, with the assistance of the seriously corrupt, as the evidence proves, Justice Paul Chrumka and Court of Queen's Bench of Alberta in Calgary headed by Associate Chief Justice of Alberta Justice N. C. Wittmann...to attempt to shut me up and cover up their very serious misconduct and criminal actions. So based on this it is those that know their rights that are at even greater risk of being victimized by those in power in Canada and involved in the very serious corruption in Canada, because they don't want the Canadian public to know what I know and you know and those that are aware and informed know, that the government and law enforcement and Courts and media in Canada, etc... are very seriously corrupt and are very seriously violating the rights of Canadians.

Knowing my rights hasn't protected me because this is not the problem...the problem is that those in power and with authority in Canada are very seriously corrupt and exposing this and speaking out and standing up against this and fighting this and changing this is the only solution, so I am in, how about you?