Chaoulli A Hero In The US

What this article doesn't say is that once foreign, especially US based, health providers are permitted to set up shop in Canada, they then can, under NAFTA and WTO rules, sue the government against publicly funded medicare cutting into their profits. This means that the present medicare premiums would have to be raised to private insurance levels, or anywhere from $300 to $1000/month to satisfy NAFTA and the WTO. E.G. UPS is suing Canada Post against delivering parcels. Under NAFTA rules all publicly owned and controlled facilities are considered "market distortions". They can not sue the US Mail, only foreign governments.

Also there's no neutral definition of what "good price" means, which then can be distorted into the presently being taught and accepted, fraudulent version of economic efficiency, which means "The biggest profits for the lowest monetary inputs"

Figure out what this means,when all the world is already being enslaved by this fraud and con game, called neoclassical market economics. Ed Deak, Big Lake, BC.

"What this article doesn't say is that once foreign, especially US based, health providers are permitted to set up shop in Canada, they then can, under NAFTA and WTO rules, sue the government against publicly funded medicare cutting into their profits. This means that the present medicare premiums would have to be raised to private insurance levels, or anywhere from $300 to $1000/month to satisfy NAFTA and the WTO." (Quote by Ed Deak)<br />
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I recently read something similar to this in "The Betrayal of Canada" by Mel Hurtig. I don't think many people realize how this could ruin our current health care system. I agree it needs to be overhauled, but not wiped out. I am sure the administration areas could suffer the most cuts. It's no wonder they say there is less waiting in the US, that's because if you are poor, you aren't admitted in the first place!<br />
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We need a political Party that will scrap this Free Trade Agreement. Are there any organizations pushing for this right now? <br />
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Especially after reading this from the states:<br />
Romney eyes penalties for those lacking insurance<br />
Costs are key in health plan<br />
By Scott S. Greenberger, Globe Staff | June 22, 2005<br />
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Massachusetts residents who choose not to obtain health insurance would face tax penalties and even the garnishing of their wages under a proposal Governor Mitt Romney unveiled yesterday.<br />
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Romney says the ''individual mandate" he is proposing, part of his broader plan to cover the roughly 500,000 people who are uninsured, would not cost the state any money. But some healthcare specialists say the approach might cost hundreds of millions of dollars more than state taxpayers currently provide for government health coverage.<br />
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Romney's plan would require all residents in Massachusetts to have some form of health insurance or agree to pay their medical bills out of their own pockets. No other state has such a requirement, and if Romney manages to make it law, it would be a compelling accomplishment he could point to if he runs for president.<br />
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Currently, people without health insurance often go to hospitals and receive care they never pay for, because the hospital and the state pick up the tab. Under Romney's proposal, uninsured Massachusetts residents would be asked to enroll in a plan when they seek care.<br />
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If they refuse, the state could recoup the medical costs in several ways, Romney said yesterday: The state might cancel the personal tax exemption on their state income taxes, which is worth about $175. It could withhold some or all of their state income tax refund and deposit it in what Romney called a ''personal healthcare spending account." Or, it might take money out of the person's paycheck, as it does now to collect child support.<br />
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<a href="http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2005/06/22/romney_eyes_penalties_for_those_lacking_insurance?mode=PF">http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2005/06/22/romney_eyes_penalties_for_those_lacking_insurance?mode=PF</a><p>---<br>These days, if you are not confused, you are not thinking clearly. Mrs. Irene Peters

The American War cry ... DEATH TO PUBLIC HEALTHCARE!!!!
If you get into a car accident, your REALLY fucked now!!!

Well of course Americans who believe in freedom are going to be pleased with Chaoulli - he's struck a blow to one of only three remaining closed health systems in the world, the other two being North Korea and Cuba.

I hate communism and any form of dictatorship with a passion and have been fighting against it for 45 years. But from what I can read and hear from people who have been there, Cuba has the one of the best healthcare systems in the world and the USA one of the worst by independent studies. According to our American neighbours, you pay, or die if you can't afford it. Dr.Chaoulli struck a blow for exploitation and nothing else.
Ed Deak, Big Lake, BC.

The right just marginalizes itself when it brings up Cuba or North Korea in this debate.

"Medicare is Communism" -- there's an idea that goes over well with the average Canadian.

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If you don't like these ideas, I've got others. --Marshall McLuhan

I agree that 'We need a political Party that will scrap this Free Trade Agreement.' Please see the Canadian Action Party site at <a href="http://www.canadianactionparty.ca/Main.asp?Language=English">http://www.canadianactionparty.ca/Main.asp?Language=English</a><br />
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You'll find the top proirity is 'Abrogate NAFTA'. <br />

Hey Gang! Am I the only one here that sees this topic, as ALL other of the "Privatisation" variety for the set ups they are??

I see aloy of responses here calling for the politicos to do this that and the other thing when it in fact is we who must give direction to our employees-the politicians.
I will repete my mantra on this topic.

What we see reported by the media is much like hearing a sports play by play! and very much like a spectator sport in as much as the poplulace are concerned.

I firmly believe an uprising, perhaps in the nature of Ghandi, is required cause sure as shit what "we" are doing now ain't workin'.

but hey! That's OK lests do MORE of it, that stuff that ain't workin' only louder!
SHEESH!



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Always be tolerant with those who disagree with you. After all, they have a perfect right to their ridiculous opinions-
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The only thing Cuba has is Physicians. They can't afford medicines or medical equipment - you must have found some very biased 'independent' studies.

By the way, the Americans have a larger public health care system than Canada does, the difference is that a so-called 'uninsured' American has faster access to better health care than any Canadian(Liberal Party employees excluded of course).

hmmm... the Right marginalizes itself when it points out the obvious? Left wingers must really live in la-la land...

The majority of Canadians do not believe single-tier medicare is Communism -- keep saying that it is, and you will drive them further away from your position.

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If you don't like these ideas, I've got others. --Marshall McLuhan

Did you have anything in particular in mind you'd like to share?

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These days, if you are not confused, you are not thinking clearly. Mrs. Irene Peters

I have been ever sinse i registed here
are you offended?


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Always be tolerant with those who disagree with you. After all, they have a perfect right to their ridiculous opinions-
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I agree with Diogenes. We need to DO SOMETHING!!! Just bitching about it doesn`t work! GENERAL STRIKE!!!

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Dave Ruston