Same-Sex Marriage Bill Must Stand, Majority Say

As an average Canadian I'd like to clairify with my viewpoint.

"The results appear to bolster Prime Minister Paul Martin's remarks two weeks ago that Canadians do not want to revisit the issue."

Correct, but not for the reasons they give. I don't want it revisited, because I didn't want it visited to begin with. The legislation is done. Let's move on, you *public servants* in Ottawa have more important things on the agenda than voting yourself paid days off on my dime. You've got about 6 months to convince us to vote any of you slackers back in. So far, I see no reason to.

And, Mr. Harper, keep beating the dead horses of same sex marriage legislation and trying to win Quebec, and we'll "Brian Mulroney/Kim Campbell" you. Comprendez?


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"If you must kill a man, it costs you nothing to be polite about it." Winston Churchill

Liberal Party media make a poll that supports the Liberal Party - what a huge surprise! Especially since the majority of Canadians opposed same-sex marriage in a number of other polls made not long ago.

The Liberal Party hates Canada and every institution that built this country, including marriage. So it's hardly surprising that their media outlets get 'on-message' with them.

Next thing you know they'll pay immigrants to be something other than Canadian - oh wait, they already do that, it's the vote buying machine called 'multiculturalism'.

Perhaps it's the Party's method of curbing immigration - no one will want to come here once the term 'Canadian' means nothing anymore and 'Canada' becomes synonymous with tribal infighting for the treasury.

I'm glad that the MAJORITY of people want same sex marriage to stand. I would hope that people like anonymous might have more sense in realizing that immigrants to Canada don't always vote for the Liberals. Read the poll and see they are more likely to move to the NDP. And instead of right wing idiots blaming immigrants why don't you try and look at Stephen Harpers views on immigration and things like aboringinal issues! Since same sex marriage is now legal let's move to legalize prostitution and marijuana.

In case you were wondering that was not me posting as an anon, but I completely agree with him. It is clear that the argument that "anyone can be a Canadian" is essentially saying anyone from the planet earth with Canadian citizenship is a Canadian. How sick. If I moved to China I wouldn't have the gall to call myself Chinese, and their government wouldn't even allow a non-Chinese to get citizenship anyway.

Our history and culture down the memory hole. (thank God for the internet and books) Also, let's not forget that weakening English Canada will NOT be beneficial to the French Canadians long term.

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The midget, Bush, and that Rumsfield deserve only to be beaten with shoes by freedom loving people everywhere.

- Mohammed Saeed al-Sahhaf, The Iraqi Informat

Stephen Harper is not very politically shrewd on the immigrants and aboriginal issues, and he has paid the price. That being said, the majority of Canadians are much less enamoured with identity politics and victimology than you might think. Harper is simply a loose cannon.

You display a typical Liberal attitude. The more rights the better, no matter what, and society be damned.

Do you have a sick mind? Do you actually think giving "rights" to prostitutes and potheads is not morally and ethically condoning behaviour that is ultimately destructive to society? I don't claim to think these things will go away, but blessing sick behaviour does not change the fact that it is STILL degenerate behaviour. Lower standards are a liberal's best friend. Let's create a third-world in Canada!!!




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The midget, Bush, and that Rumsfield deserve only to be beaten with shoes by freedom loving people everywhere.

- Mohammed Saeed al-Sahhaf, The Iraqi Informat

And just who defines "degenerate behaviour"? Apparently you do not agree with the majority of canadians as represented in this poll; does that mean that you get to define degeneracy, while everyone else's opinion doesn't matter? Is it so hard to believe that most Canadians believe in equality on at least this one issue? It is apparent that you do not; thus it is also apparent that you are in the minority (see above poll; if you don't like the results, go conduct your own).

Of course, I don't have to bring up that prostitution and drug use are *entirely* separate issues and your mentioning them is just a distraction tactic. You knew that and will try to stay on-topic in future, naturally.

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Every time you complain about the moderators, god kills a kitten.

QUOTE: Do you actually think giving "rights" to prostitutes and potheads is not morally and ethically condoning behaviour that is ultimately destructive to society?

Well why not? We give rights to self-righteous pompous windbags.

There is a huge gulf between condoning a behavior and jailing people for it. The government does not condone tobacco smoking but I do not see smokers being subjected to arrest, incarceration, having their property confiscated, and lifelong stigma.

We condone poisoning the planet, war, child labour, et al, and you think hookers and potsmokers are moral degenerates? Do you think that legalizing prostitution is somehow worse than all the sexual images we are constantly bombarded with to sell us crap? Both prostitution and drugs have been around since time began. The puritanical belief that seeking pleasure is evil is just that, a belief, ie religion which should not be forced upon a secular society. Especially those of us who do not agree.

I would say that it is more 'degenerate' and 'immoral' to judge people somehow less worthy because they inhale some smoke from burning flowers or sell sex as a living.

Since the chinese have no individual human rights then obtaining citizenship would be pointless since it offers no recompense. There are thousands of canadians living and working in China with the same rights as any chinese. If they wanted to call themselves chinese they could do so without gall, particularly if they were planning to spend the rest of their life there. China has far more cultures than Canada.

Polls are just about useless on this, there is no way of knowing one way or another without a referendum how 'most' canadians think. For those who want to keep the definition of 'marriage' the same, or keep ANYTHING political the same, you're deluding yourself. Nothing stays the same, frogs have been around for millions of years, do you think Canada will be here for millions of years? Think our idea of marriage will be? However, I do well understand why people would like to keep things the same, unfortunately there are other people in the world.

For those elitist snobs who are now crowing about how 'progressive' and wonderful they are for supporting this, where were you two decades ago when the battle was being fought? It was gays themselves who fought this battle in the courts with barely a whisper outside of them. This isn't Canada being more 'enlightened', this is SOME canadians working their asses off, just like natives, the poor and environmentalists, for recognition of some basic rights, while being persecuted everywhere by mainstream suburban Canada.

That's just crazy about the liberal party hating canada, the liberal party IS canada, and always has been, except for a couple of decades. The liberal-conservative divide is simply a fight between rich white guys from Ontario and Quebec and rich white guys from out west. Either way we 'average canadian' is not going to come out well. Say you are a conservative, what would you get out of it? Say they do somehow change the law and ban same sex marriage. The only difference is now you're getting screwed in a country that bans same sex marriage.

Oh please Marcarc. China is the most consummerist culture in the world now, and two-thirds of the country is made up of poorly educated, rural farmers.

The liberal party is not Canada, they are the western world, which is currently all libebral. That was not our choice. It was made for us.

To suggest "Canada won't last a million years, so who cares" tells me you would rather be petty than improve things.

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The midget, Bush, and that Rumsfield deserve only to be beaten with shoes by freedom loving people everywhere.

- Mohammed Saeed al-Sahhaf, The Iraqi Informat

Jesse, that is a red herring. In the past marijuana and prostitution DID exist, BUT, they were not worshipped as "cool" or "popular" by media and political parties.

Ask yourself this question Mr. Moral Relativist:

"If everyone smoked pot in Canada and visited prostitutes, would Canada be better or worse off?" This sounds a lot like Immanuel Kant's categorical imperative. The answer is clear that if everyone did these things, we wouldn't last as a stable, productive society.

Sleep on it.

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The midget, Bush, and that Rumsfield deserve only to be beaten with shoes by freedom loving people everywhere.

- Mohammed Saeed al-Sahhaf, The Iraqi Informat

To answer your question anon, yes I do think hardcore potheads and prostitutes are social degenerates. They help fund organized crime and cheapen society. I don't care if it continues, but I will not condone pathetic behavious which is JUST THAT--pathetic. Please don't tell me you "smoked one joint" as a teenager. That is not the issue. I also never said I would jail people--I simply said I would not legalize it.

We don't give rights to pompous people who challenge political correctness--we throw them in court.

As for me being "immoral" or "degenerate" for condemning the deadbeats and whores of our society--I guess to be decent is to be immoral, and to be indecent is to be worshipped. Mind boggling.









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The midget, Bush, and that Rumsfield deserve only to be beaten with shoes by freedom loving people everywhere.

- Mohammed Saeed al-Sahhaf, The Iraqi Informat

The only red herring here is bringing up hookers and pot on a thread about same-sex marriage.

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Every time you complain about the moderators, god kills a kitten.

Hooray for same sex marriage! It is another step in the right direction for creating a society where nobody is discriminated against! Now, we`ve got to move on making sure that pot smokers and prostitutes are not seen as some sort of dirty criminal. Remember, alcohol was once illegal.

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Dave Ruston

Jesse, I was not the one who brought up marijuana and prostitution, it was Dino. Read her comment above, which ended with:

"Since same sex marriage is now legal let's move to legalize prostitution and marijuana."



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The midget, Bush, and that Rumsfield deserve only to be beaten with shoes by freedom loving people everywhere.

- Mohammed Saeed al-Sahhaf, The Iraqi Informat