In Debt With The Two Ralphs

Posted on Wednesday, October 27 at 13:07 by sthompson
Klein forgets the oil industry when he says Alberta is debt free. Much of Canada's oil and gas reserves belong to foreign-owned companies. That means much of the current and future profits are going to leave Canada forever because foreign ownership equals debt -- an external liability, it is called in the balance of foreign payments.

How could the premier of Alberta not notice the oil industry?

Of course Goodale is wrong on the oil industry too. He pushed through the sale of what was left in public hands of Petro-Canada, the peoples' oil company, we named it when Pierre Trudeau created it. Now with oil prices high, and rising, someone other than the public will be getting the benefit of public investment.

Klein could tax the oil companies of course, and put the money into making the best public sector in the world. Instead as the Parkland Institute showed in an important study, Alberta taxes oil companies less than Alaska does, and far less than Norway does.

Now there is an election issue. Alberta goes to the polls November 22 -- let's have fair taxes for oil companies.

Since Klein does not want the oil tax revenue for Alberta, Goodale could get some for Ottawa, through an export tax, for instance. Of course that goes against the free trade agreement with the U.S., but then so does mad cow, softwood lumber, steel, etc. If the Americans want to be protectionist, we should get something in return.

Goodale points to Ottawa setting aside about $60 billion in debt repayment. He takes pride in it, and wants to do more. This is probably the worst single public policy since the noose. Just as the government introduced abolition of the death penalty by refusing to go ahead with executions, so the current government could take its surpluses and reinvest them in public policy measures needed for the environment, health and child care, culture, etc.

But no, Goodale pretends the law says he has to apply any surplus to the debt. And who makes the law, Ralph? What is gained by paying down the federal debt? Interest payments are lower says Goodale. Really? Watch what happens when interest rates go up. If you borrowed at three per cent and the rate goes to four per cent, your cost of borrowing just went up by 33 per cent. It is the rate you pay, not the amount outstanding, that gets you dramatic improvement, or worsening circumstances.

Taking $60 billion in public money out of circulation makes Bay St. happy. Instead of creating public wealth which is what debt is -- an asset that pays interest -- there will be more incentive to create private debt which is how Bay St. makes money.

Goodale is an MP and a former MLA from Regina. Klein is a proud former mayor of Calgary seeking another term as premier. What do they have in common? They both work overtime for corporations.

And Canadians do deserve better.

Duncan Cameron -- duncanc@rabble.ca -- writes from Chelsea, Quebec. His columns are reprinted here with permission. For the original column, visit rabble.ca

Note: In debt with the two Ra... duncanc@rabble.ca rabble.ca

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  1. by avatar Milton
    Thu Oct 28, 2004 1:53 am
    Here lies the rub, Ralph takes credit for getting rid of the debt that was accumulated by shutting down the lending powers of the Bank of Canada, thereby necessitating large interest payments, and by accumulating a large investment fund rather than paying the bills. To pay the bills without raising business taxes, social services to the the public majority were cut. Education expenditures were cut, Albertans had to pay a health care tax, although it was not called a tax. Now these same sleazy people are proposing that the federal government borrow money from the banks, at the going interest rates, and then deposit the money in the banks in a giant pool. Then municipalities can arrange loans with the banks, at the going interest rate for infrastucture improvements, and the payments on these loans will be taken from the giant federal pool. Cool eh, two sets of interest rates where there should have only been one. I guess these guys must have MBA's from Harvard like the guys at Enron had and who weren't capable of accounting correctly either. All they are interested in is taking from the poor and giving to the rich. The new Robbing Hoods.

  2. Thu Oct 28, 2004 2:34 am
    Cameron, instead of complaining about the oil companies and the easy street tax regime, why don't you invest in one or two? There are some excellent value plays out there. At the moment I'm looking at companies that operate in the AB midsection towards the AB/SK border. While the tax and spend AB socialists cry in their lowest-price-in-Canada beer, I intend to profit. ps: here's a hint, look for oil and gas plays on Native Indian land. yes, that's right, you heard it here first. There are some native bands that are slow off the mark developing their natural resources, due primarily to ecological concerns. As they come around to the need to develop their holdings, these lands offer very economic tie-in opportunities. May you live in interesting times.

  3. Thu Oct 28, 2004 2:52 pm
    You talk like my MP! Maybe you are him. That you John? Yeah, I thought you`d find this site interesting after the reading material I gave you! Doesn`t suprise me that you don`t believe in equitable wealth distribution, given that the majority of Canadians can`t afford to invest in an ant farm, let alone some crooked oil scam! Nope! Let`s just let the rich get richer, the poor poorer, and deny them all the things necessary that actually WIDENS the country`s talent pool! But no, so-called elitism is like inbreeding in wealth generation!

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    Dave Ruston

  4. Thu Oct 28, 2004 5:33 pm
    Anon. (with the hot oil tip) is that you Ralph? If it walks like a duck…

    The point of Duncan’s article was wasted on you. He is talking about the public good, and the ability of Canadian governments being able to collect a decent tax/royalty on resources owned by Canadians, for the benefit of all Canadians, and not just stolen from under our noses for the exclusive benefit of Wall Streeters.

    Duncan was talking about our brief forayer into nationalizing a portion of Canada’s oil, but in typical Albertan fashion, we will give it to the Yanks, just so as another Canadian will not get it. And, for you to suggest that we all become “opportunists” grabbing all that we can, seems to impart justification upon the whole system. Grab all that you can, and head down to the SUV SUPERSIZE STORE, and buy up the latest gas guzzler, and burn all the energy you can getting from A to B, just so there is less for the rest to do the same.

    If we all do it, it can’t be wrong! Or can it?

    POTS

  5. Thu Oct 28, 2004 6:03 pm
    Don't forget the "Bay Streeters !!"


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  6. by RPW
    Fri Oct 29, 2004 1:51 am
    Must be one of them thar Yuppies..................

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    RickW

  7. Fri Oct 29, 2004 6:55 am
    Privatise profits and socialize debts, that's usually how it works (until it doesn't and we have to start a war, or throw the complainers in concentration camps). If you guys are not in the market trying to maximize personal finances, you're gonna get smoked by inflation. Another approach to getting ahead is to start your own web page, get a following, then run for election somewhere. It helps to have a swami behind you advising the location to run, say a location that's facing enormous growth, ie. tax dollars, that will eventually trickle down to feed your pet social programs.

  8. Fri Oct 29, 2004 10:55 pm
    ANON, you are implying that MOST average folks HAVE the money to invest.

    Wrong !!

    Care to try again ??


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    "Arrogance is unacceptable. Do it to my face, and I will react" - Jim Callaghan

  9. Sat Oct 30, 2004 3:52 am
    Alberta has no debt, no defecit, one of the lowest unemployment rates in Canada. And still someone here finds something to shoot the government down with! :) Is the homeless as bad as what the BC New Democrats left in Vancouver? (This should get a good resposne...) NO.

    I was listening to the CBC last week, and believe it or not, foreign investment into Canada has not changed in the last 30 or so years.

    In fact, we always hear about the "mergers" and "takeovers" of Canadian Companies but never here about Canada investment in other countries. Al-Can has made huge take overs in Europe, US and the Pacific Rim. In the billions. We are taking over more company's, land, etc. in the world, while the foreign investment into ourown country has remained the same.

    Poor Alberta. My hear bleeds for you guys! I hope one day my salary is comperable to an oil field rough neck!!! :)

    I will enjoy wathcing the provinces election on TV. My one query is whether the Conservatives will keep the huge majority they have, or increase it even more. Will vive be posting more anti conservative propaganda here in the near future to "educate" us on the Alberta Agenda? :)

  10. Sat Oct 30, 2004 5:46 am
    Well then, why don`t you go work in the oilfields? You wouldn`t last a day! You`d get your finger nails dirty and lose your mind, thinking you`re above all that! As for foreign takeovers in Canada, there`s been plenty, and it hasn`t been new investment. Only takeovers, where the competition shuts down the Canadian competitor, and many jobs are lost in the process. Even the hgi paying executive, or head office jobs are lost as they are moved to the new headquarters.

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    Dave Ruston

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  12. Sat Oct 30, 2004 2:43 pm
    And now a word from the cracker barrel. We propagandists try our best to obfuscate every issue which might lead to a change in the way things are done. Our goal is to keep everything in a terrible mess so that we can relieve the public of any assets it may have while keeping the dark turned on so that they will not see what is happening. We do nothing but confuse and apologize for the total failure of our current government, corporate, economic and technological systems. <p>We call ourselves anonymous because we are cowards and because we can't tolerate any light shined on us.Nothing wrong with being a coward, look at your leaders, the prime ministers and presidents and premiers and governors, all cowards. You don't see us on the front lines unless it is the line at the corporate welfare office. Yes, we are the elite and you are the sheep. Fell free to bleet while you are shorn. <p>Don't forget, our goal is to distract you from what you were thinking about a minute ago. Have we done it again?

  13. Sat Oct 30, 2004 3:26 pm
    ??? I"m not sure where you'd get the idea that someone is better than someone else, based on whether they do physical labour or not.

    Probably part of your socialist agenda? Teaching Albertans the "true" way. Obviously they havn't done it right eh?

    Ever get your hands dirty? :)

  14. Sat Oct 30, 2004 4:01 pm
    Joe Republican (substitute whichever rightwing party you like) gets up at 6 a.m. and fills his coffeepot with water to prepare his morning coffee. The water is clean and good because some tree-hugging liberal fought for minimum water-quality standards. With his first swallow of coffee, he takes his daily medication. His medications are safe to take because some stupid commie liberal fought to insure their safety and that they work as advertised. <p>All but $10 of his medications are paid for by his employer's medical plan because some liberal union workers fought their employers for paid medical insurance -- now Joe gets it, too. He prepares his morning breakfast, bacon and eggs. Joe's bacon is safe to eat because some girly-man liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat packing industry. In the morning shower, Joe reaches for his shampoo. His bottle is properly labeled with each ingredient and its amount in the total contents because some crybaby liberal fought for his right to know what he was putting on his body and how much it contained. Joe dresses, walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air he breathes is clean because some environmentalist wacko liberal fought for laws to stop industries from polluting our air. <p>He walks to the subway station for his government-subsidized ride to work. It saves him considerable money in parking and transportation fees because some fancy-pants liberal fought for affordable public transportation, which gives everyone the opportunity to be a contributor. Joe begins his work day. He has a good job with excellent pay, Medical benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because some lazy liberal union members fought and died for these working standards. <p>Joe's employer pays these standards because Joe's employer doesn't want his employees to call the union. If Joe is hurt on the job or becomes unemployed, he'll get a worker compensation or unemployment check because some stupid liberal didn't think he should lose his home because of his temporary misfortune. <p>It's noontime and Joe needs to make a bank deposit so he can pay Some bills. Joe's deposit is federally insured by the FSLIC because some godless liberal wanted to protect Joe's money from unscrupulous bankers who ruined the banking system before the Great Depression. <p>Joe has to pay his Fannie Mae-underwritten mortgage and his below-market federal student loan because some elitist liberal decided that Joe and the government would be better off if he were educated and earned more money over his lifetime. Joe is home from work. He plans to visit his father this evening at his farm home in the country. He gets in his car for the drive. His car is among the safest in the world because some America-hating liberal fought for car safety standards. He arrives at his boyhood home. His was the third generation to live in the house financed by Farmers' Home Administration because bankers didn't want to make rural loans. The house didn't have electricity until some big-government liberal stuck his nose where it didn't belong and demanded rural electrification. <p>He is happy to see his father, who is now retired. His father lives on Social Security and a union pension because some wine-drinking, cheese-eating liberal made sure he could take care of himself so Joe wouldn't have to. <p>Joe gets back in his car for the ride home, and turns on a radio talk show. The radio host keeps saying that liberals are bad and conservatives are good. He doesn't mention that the beloved Republicans have fought against every protection and benefit Joe enjoys throughout his day. <p>Joe Republican agrees: "We don't need those big-government liberals ruining our lives! After all, I'm a self-made man who believes everyone should take care of themselves, just like I have." <li>Taken from <a href="http://www.straightgoods.com">Staight Goods </a> <li>Go here and have a look at who funds the Fraser institute. <li>This is Milton who forgot to sign in.



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