Classic Global Warming Logic

Posted on Saturday, August 04 at 13:08 by Brent
What begins often as a breezy stroll through nature can sometimes end in an insatiable itch, a rash of red dots and a mess of oozing blisters. Those who've needed treatment for a poison ivy rash are not likely to forget the experience and are forever on the lookout for the glossy, three-leafed plants that provoke an allergic reaction in about 85 per cent of the population.

In fact, new research suggests we should all be on our toes as the plant is growing like never before. According to a study published in the July 2007 issue of Weed Science, high levels of carbon dioxide linked to climate change is providing ideal growing conditions for poison ivy.
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  1. Sun Aug 05, 2007 3:06 pm
    More poison ivy is a positive effect? So SOME more poison ivy is a good effect but too much is a bad thing?

    This is a perfect example of journalists doing bad science, and the public getting duped because of its lack of science knowledge.

    Notice how the 'experiment' says they used carbon dioxide 'at natural levels'. Gee, poison ivy grown in carbon dioxide that is the same as that found in nature produced bigger plants...can anybody tell me whats wrong with THAT experiment?

    There have been VERY few controlled experiments on plant growth under increased carbon dioxide, and yet because of one or two controlled experiments those 'skeptics' have trotted out the argument that more CO2 is a perfectly wonderful thing because plants grow better. Problem is, they don't, or at least there is no evidence that 'they' do. In fact, one researcher started a think tank funded by big oil all because of one experiment on orange trees.


    From that think tank has come numerous articles in papers everywhere that make even the insane claim that increased CO2 is responsible for the massive increase in plant growth over the past forty years. It had nothing to do with chemicals, the 'greeen' revolution, control and eradication of pests, water and irrigation control or anything else-it was all that wonderful CO2.

    Unfortunately, its all horseshit. In fact, the types of plants grown as crops CAN"T metabolize increased levels of CO2 AT ALL. So yes, SOME plants, MAY do better, but not the ones we use for food. And of course these plants which have been experimented on are in controlled conditions,meaning that there is no interaction of anything else. So MAYBE SOME plants MAY grow better with increased CO2 but up to what point? And what about when combined with NO2 or any of the other things in the atmosphere?

    The science is now at the prepubescent stage where scientists can barely even make hypotheses on CO2 levels on plants, however, all kinds of predictions have come out. As mentioned, this is the first 'scary' one, but I've seen far far more media talking about this as a 'positive' thing, when its simply not known. And of course whats good for plants isn't necessarily good for us.

    About the only good thing about this is that pot growers will be the most aggressive studiers of this, and by the time its legal we'll have much better data (and more pot).

  2. by RPW
    Sun Aug 05, 2007 4:54 pm
    <blockquote> About the only good thing about this is that pot growers will be the most aggressive studiers of this, and by the time its legal we'll have much better data (and more pot) </blockquote> <b>Higher, Faster, Stronger</b> (can I get in trouble with the almighty IOC for putting these words together?) <p>All kidding (well, SOME kidding) aside, I did read that the optimum CO2 level for fir trees is about 3x "the normal", which partly explains the proliferation of the temperate old growth forests in BC (that we do so like to cut down), as there is an indication that CO2 levels immediately after the last Ice Age were much higher than today's levels........... <p>---<br>"When you change the way you look at things, the things you look at change." <br />
    -Max Planck<br />
    <br />

  3. Sun Aug 05, 2007 9:36 pm
    The above is exactly my point. The propaganda is out everywhere about
    how this is all just wonderful. Oil companies have deep pockets,you think its
    a surprise that books and videos are now all over the place by authors you've
    never heard of talking about how wonderful more CO2 is?

    No 'optimal' level for fir trees has EVER been established simply because
    they take too long to grow and experiment with. Second, far more likely is
    that whatever effect is seen is not due to CO2, but to TEMPERATURE, which is
    also a correlative.

    Next, simply because a forest grows doesn't mean anything about either. If
    I remove all the grass from my front lawn, the flowers next to it will spread
    into where the grass USED to be, all because of the land is there, is available,
    and isn't being used by anything else. So stating that because there are lots
    of temperate trees around must mean they did well back when the earth was
    warmer makes no sense.

    And then there is this: "We conclude that climatic warming will influence the
    physiological processes of dormancy and cold hardiness development in
    Douglas-fir growing in the relatively mild temperate region of western
    Oregon, reducing bud burst and shoot growth." That's from a UN study done
    in 1998. When research contradicts itself then it is definitely worth looking
    closer at. The worst perpetrator of the 'aerial fertilizer' theory is CO2Science,
    which, like I said, is funded by oil companies. They feature a study on fir
    trees that says that they MAY see evidence that Fir trees hold moisture better
    with more CO2. But they don't say it DOES, just maybe, and in that
    experiment all they did was pump more CO2 into a section of forest for a
    season and then look at the trees.

    That's pretty irresponsible science. Different years have completely
    difference atmospheric conditions, so any difference can equally be attributed
    to temparature changes, moisture and precipitation, infestation outbreaks,
    you name it. So once again, bad science leads to bad conclusions, and even
    worse policy.

  4. by RPW
    Mon Aug 06, 2007 1:25 am
    Touché......

    ---
    "When you change the way you look at things, the things you look at change."
    -Max Planck

  5. Mon Aug 06, 2007 1:30 pm
    Quitter:)



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