Fallujah

They have to dispose of the evidence of the mass murder they have already committed by committing <b>mega murder</b>! They wouldn't let the people go that wanted to leave Fallujah , this is the <b>Warsaw ghetto</b> United States style. <p>"A time comes when silence is betrayal. Even when pressed by the demands of inner truth, men do not easily assume the task of opposing their government's policy, especially in time of war. Nor does the human spirit move without great difficulty against all the apathy of conformist thought within one's own bosom and in the surrounding world. Moreover, when the issues at hand seem as perplexing as they often do in the case of dreadful conflict, we are always on the verge of being mesmerized by uncertainty. But we must move on." <p>"Some of us who have already begun to break the silence of the night have found that the calling to speak is often a vocation of agony, but we must speak. We must speak with all the humility that is appropriate to our limited vision, but we must speak. For we are deeply in need of a new way beyond the darkness that seems so close around us." <p>"We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for the victims of our nation, for those it calls "enemy", for no document from human hands can make these humans any less our brothers. I think of them, too, because it is clear to me that there will be no meaningful solution until some attempt is made to know them and hear their broken cries." <p>"I am convinced that if we are to get on the right side of the world revolution, we as a nation must undergo a radical revolution of values. We must rapidly begin the shift from a thing-oriented society to a person-oriented society. When machines and computers, profit motives and property rights, are considered more important than people, the giant triplets of racism, extreme materialism, and militarism are incapable of being conquered." <p>"A true revolution of values will lay hand on the world order and say of war, "This way of settling differences is not just." A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defense than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual death." <p>"America, the richest and most powerful nation in the world, can well lead the way in this revolution of values. There is nothing except a tragic death wish to prevent us from reordering our priorities over the pursuit of war." - from The Silence of the Night by Martin Luther King, Jr.

I can't believe what I was hearing when the military general guy said the people in Iraq are fighting them cause their afraid of a free democratic Iraq. And I wonder if this guy actually believes this.

Kevin

Military spokesmen rarely say what is on their minds. They stick to the script they are given. The Iraqis watch the news too.<p> I doubt he believes this, but the line sounds like military talk for "give yourselves up and prove us wrong, cause if we have to come in there after you, lots of people on both sides are going to die and we will still win."<p> <p>---<br>"History does not repeat itself, but it does rhyme" Mark Twain <br />
"The greatest price of not participating in politics is being governed by your inferiors." Plato

It's about time the U.S. military gave a robust response to the terrorists in Fallujah, the longer they wait the less respect Arabs/Iraqis will have for them. It is unfortunate that the terrorist forces in Iraq care so little about civilian casualties and actually encourage them so they can get 'positive', read anti-American, media exposure. One of the reasons they'll blow up school buses full of children. The Americans must do what it takes in order to put down the insurgency and get on with the process of rebuilding Iraq. It is a tough job, but luckily for the vast majority of Iraqis, America will ultimately save them.

It is about time that the US Administration stopped acting like a Nazi Regime. They talk about democracy while instituting a totalitarian fascist government. They won't allow elections because their puppets won't get elected. Nobody in Iraq respects the US administration nor should they, they know what the US WMD's can do but the US is going to do whatever it wants regardless of what the Iraqi's do. The US is rapidly becoming an International Pariah and should be shunned by all civilized nations.

"It is my conviction that killing under the cloak of war is nothing but an act of murder." - Albert Einstein

Anon, please get a nickname so that we can figure out if it's one person doing all these pro-Bush posts or several. Beyond that, I am often stunned by your lack of understanding about the world. But then, there is a lot of that coming out of the Bush camp I should be used to it by now. When you read these posts do not consider us all as 'anti-American' as I have read and heard many great American patriots speak with great understanding that under Bush rule America is seen as a rogue nation and murderer, and only after the bottom-line. This is not rhetoric it is fact.

Yes Saddam was bad, but so are many other despots, and like so many others he was American installed and supported when he committed many of his atrocities. This does not look good on America.

America went to war with Iraq over a failed UN resolution but is close allies with Israel which ignores many, infuriating the arab world (and others).

America had the opprotunity at the start of the occupation to introduce democracy and restore basic services immediately when they still had large support in Iraq. Privatization was more important to them, which is one major reason why we are in the position they are in today.

There are many other reasons why Bush America is not appreciated (to say the least) around the world, but I would like to see how you respond to these three issues first.

As Chris Rock might say about the Iraqi fighters. I don't think they should resort to violence...but I understand.

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If we are standing still we are moving backwards.

http://electroniciraq.net/news/1452.shtml

Never mind explaining the points of my last post. Explain this, anon you *censored*er.

children in school busses...

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If we are standing still we are moving backwards.

Obviously its all about oil.


"They talk about democracy while instituting a totalitarian fascist government."

Totalitarian: (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Totalitarian)

Of, relating to, being, or imposing a form of government in which the political authority exercises absolute and centralized control over all aspects of life, the individual is subordinated to the state, and opposing political and cultural expression is suppressed: “A totalitarian regime crushes all autonomous institutions in its drive to seize the human soul” (Arthur M. Schlesinger, Jr.).

Fascism: (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=fascism)

often Fascism
A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.

Waiting to have elections until you can provide at least SOME form of security at the polls is neither Totalitarian nor Facist.

"Yes Saddam was bad, but so are many other despots, and like so many others he was American installed and supported when he committed many of his atrocities. This does not look good on America. "

Ok - so you are playing the old "US as hipocrite" card are you? Lets see - our foreign policy is decided by a STRING of presidents that have to leave office after 8 years. We support who it benefits us to support, and have done much more good along the way than evil - this is not an arguable fact unless you truely believe that the evil powers in the world that we have played a major roll in destroying were actually powers of good. Of course your next point might actually point to your own personal views a bit better:

"America went to war with Iraq over a failed UN resolution but is close allies with Israel which ignores many, infuriating the arab world (and others). "

Dont drag Israel into this discussion. If you want to, please educate yourself on the base principles of free society. Everyone has a right to protect themselves (and its not a requirement to even try to do it in a civil fashion as the Israelis have been for 50 years)

"America had the opprotunity at the start of the occupation to introduce democracy and restore basic services immediately when they still had large support in Iraq. Privatization was more important to them, which is one major reason why we are in the position they are in today. "

Sorry to pull this out on you, but if you dont Privatize, you risk having a government that can be both Totalitarian and Facist take power, because it OWNS all the services and businesses.

If Iraq had the long history of legitimate government that Canada has, and (hehehe) no big worries about literal criminals taking office, privatization might be less of a worry.

and above up there somewhere:

"The US is rapidly becoming an International Pariah and should be shunned by all civilized nations. "

well - guess what - we were shunned for taking on the soviet union too. Of course, we have considerable cultureal differences that come into play in this disagreement -

1) I have a job that I have to go to, because I need things like money for my mortgage, health insurance, and something to prevent me from getting extremely bored.

2) I dont like letting others live off the money I earn. I think its BS. Why should I bother earning it?

Oh it goes on and on

Yes - and this ISNT the same guy...

The US is waiting for it to be safe for an election? When is it going to be safe? When you have killed all those who might vote against your proposed puppet regime? We know all the US wants is a little piece, a little piece of Iraq, a little piece of Afghanistan, a little piece of North Korea, a little piece of Iran, a little piece of Syria.....

You say that the US does what benefits the US ( US corporations for sure) and you say the US has done a lot of good defeating evil. You don't offer any examples of this good that the USA has done, why is that?

Don't tell us who we can drag into this discussion and who we can't, we are not your colony yet buddy. The jury is still out on whether or not Israel is defending itself or practicing the new US defensive strategy which is to attack first then claim it was a defensive strike.

The US parcels out the war plunder and then you claim this was done to avoid the possibility that a totalitarian or fascist government might appropriate the resources. This must be the "new US democracy implant procedure". Take everything away from the newly democratized, just in case they think that they are entitled to do what is in their best interests with the resources that they have.

I didn't know that the US "took on the Soviet Union" or that you were shunned as a result of it. It must have been one of your hush-hush wars, eh?

The rest of your post eludes me but maybe when your government allows your job to be exported overseas you will have more time to explain your opinions.

This action by the US will only add fuel to the fire of resistance against the imperialist occupiers. As for getting rid of other evil regimes, who are you talking about? Hitler? After the US sold weapons to Hitler they waited until later on in the war to enter. After World War 2, all the US did was INSTALL evil puppet regimes! Israel is unfortunately a factor, because Israel is the only middle eastern country to actually posess nuclear weapons! So there`s a double standard here when we are lying about finding and destroying weapons of mass destruction. Also, israel has not been innocent of brutality and injustice with their occupation of Palestine! And as for you complaining, anon, about not wanting to share your 'hard earned money' with others, well, I don`t know how rich you are, but it sounds like you advocate that only rich communities have paved roads, or public water systems, or hydro. It`s sad to see that people like you are not extinct, because you`re definitely a throwback to a darker age!

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Dave Ruston

The US military is being baited. The people of Falluja - mostly sunni, but now also shia, want to make Falluja the rallying call for the entire Middle East. If America pounds the place to the ground and kills scores of innocents in the process there is no way - even to our anon friend that they can explain it away as cleaning up 'insurgents'.

Same thing goes for Najaf. If America attacks the holy sites there - they will ignite a fury they have not yet seen. But many will say that is the plan all along anyways - perpetual war for profit. Others would say the small but influential 'rapturists' among the Bush cabal want to see full out war in the entire Middle East.

For those fighting the occupation of Iraq its a win-win situation as it comes to attacking either Najaf or Fallujah. They will of course lose to the US soldiers in the end, but what it will stir up - nationalism - can not be defeated. Vietnam showed that in spades - Afghanistan showed that as well - as does Chechnya.

Osama must be sitting somewhere thanking Bush right now for giving him more recruiting material than he ever could have on his own.

Roy (keep getting logged out)

Ya a throw back to dragging knuckles, grunting, farting, big sticks and drool.

I don't think the women and children in Faloojah are longing for martyrdom. I think they would like the chance to live life. What I hear coming out of the cities is that the car bombs and other violent activities were CIA planned and carried out. What I fear is that a complete extermination of non-essential Iraqis is about to take place. There are no major network news crews showing anything. They are getting rid of the people that they don't like. It's like watching the Rodney King tape where the police claimed he was resisting because he wouldn't lie down and die.