Sharia Law

Opposition to shiria law is an attack on multiculturalism and ought to be subject to the provisions of the hate speech legislation.

Quote: "Let's not allow sharia and Islam to be presented as murky and invite prejudice that lurks below the surface of Canadian society. There is room in Canada for religious arbitration and secular law without encroaching on each other." <br />
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<a href="http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1103628501920&call_pageid=968256290204&col=968350116795">http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1103628501920&call_pageid=968256290204&col=968350116795</a><p>---<br>"If you must kill a man, it costs you nothing to be polite about it." Winston Churchill <br />

Here's a link to help explain what is subject to <A href="http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/C-46/41491.html">hate speech laws</a>. <p> Because I know certain individuals are going to bring it up, Vive takes a much broader definition of acceptable content than just hate speech, as detailed in our <a href="/staticpages/index.php/legal">Terms of Use</a> and <a href="/staticpages/index.php/FAQ#behaviour">FAQ</a>. I'm not happy about removing an entire paragraph from this submission, but article submissions have to obey the rules too. Blah. </p><p>---<br>Canadians are asking, why do americans hate us? They hate our freedoms: our freedom of religion, our freedom of speech, our freedom to disagree with each other.

And I just keep finding more spelling mistakes... Everyone should be aware that the original article was nowhere nearly so coherent.

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Canadians are asking, why do americans hate us? They hate our freedoms: our freedom of religion, our freedom of speech, our freedom to disagree with each other.

Sorry bud. I thought I got them all.

Wasn't too sure about that paragraph ethier


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"If you must kill a man, it costs you nothing to be polite about it." Winston Churchill

Now, an actual comment on the content:

Just because Sharia law would be used in arbitration does not mean that it would supercede the charter of human rights and freedoms, nor would it grant anyone the right to murder their spouse. Human rights have nothing at all to do with religion, though most religions attempt to protect them. Please read the attached links, specifically the Toronto Star article which addresses some of the most common misconceptions.

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Canadians are asking, why do americans hate us? They hate our freedoms: our freedom of religion, our freedom of speech, our freedom to disagree with each other.

Canadian secular law is enough. There is no need to adopt an ancient system of oppression like this... In case you have not read a history book, the world was far more barbaric in the past, and sharia is totally unacceptable. I would never convert to islam since the penalty for renouncing it is DEATH. <br />
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"The right to religious freedom, including the right of individuals to change their religion, is taken for granted by most people in the West. However, in Islam all schools of law (madhhahib) agree that adult male apostates from Islam should be killed. The majority of Muslim jurists claim that apostasy from Islam is a crime carrying the God-prescribed penalty of death. Therefore, while conversion from other religions to Islam is welcomed and actively encouraged, Muslims who leave Islam for any other religion must be sentenced to death (unless they repent and return to Islam). <br />
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According to criminal law in the Islamic legal system (Shari‘ah), the state must impose mandatory punishments (hudud, singular hadd) for certain specific crimes which are claimed to be committed against God and his rights, and apostasy (rida, irtidad) is often included in this list. These crimes make up a separate category in Shari‘ah criminal law as they are the only ones to have divinely mandated obligatory prescribed punishments which cannot be changed in any way by humans. Apostasy is thus viewed as a very severe crime for which God himself has prescribed the death penalty." <br />
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<a href="http://www.barnabasfund.org/Apostasy/Consequences.htm">http://www.barnabasfund.org/Apostasy/Consequences.htm</a> <br />
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Anyone who wants their lives to be run by an ancient book, whatever book, is nuts. If there really is a God, He has no need of books, those are the tools of mans oppression and cruelty to his fellow man. <br />
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And before some blinded-by-religion-wingnut claims this is hate-speech, I support freedom of religion, but I do not support the forcing of religion upon others. Anyone who values the 'books' over human lives has missed the point.

JVH, you are ignoring the fact that inside families, things happen. They are invisible, but the consequences are sometimes terrible. It should not be up to the women to say "Enough", it should not even come up in the conversation. We have Canadian law, and no religion should be able to hijack that law. And JJ, please give it a break. You are a downer.

"Things happen" inside families no matter what arbitration procedures are used. There is a lot of sousal or child abuse in christian families as well; it is *always* up to the people involved to cry "Enough!" and bring such things to the attention of the law.

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Canadians are asking, why do americans hate us? They hate our freedoms: our freedom of religion, our freedom of speech, our freedom to disagree with each other.

People want to come to Canada because it was developed by white European men with ideas of freedom and good government, not because the Liberal party panders to powerful bigwigs who can whip their community to vote for them.

Canada means less and less with every new scandal of the Liberal party's corruption. Now we also have organized crime telling our gov't what to do in the 'Strippergate' affair - and this pathetic gov't does what they're told to do by criminals! A gov't should be brought down for this, but the Liberal party has made crime so much a part of their 'usual business' that Canadians are used to it and don't really care for sovereignty anymore, taxpayers can just pay off criminals for peace. Liberalism is disgusting and immoral.

So where in Canada is there 'christian' courts that are separate from the secular ones? Why should people get different treatment because of religion? One law for all, one system of arbitration for all. We can't make a patchwork quilt of justice.

JVH, you must know that what happens inside families rarely gets into the media or the outside world. If a woman is abused, what is the percentage that we even hear about it ?? Men are abused, too, but do we even know about this ??

The same would happen with a "religious" tribunal within Canadian law.

This MUST NOT be allowed to happen or continue.

Canadian law is for Canadians. That also applies to First Nations, where it is a male dominated society.

Major changes are required in this country, and the laws MUST APPLY to ALL, equally. Must !!

So, if "the same would happen" with a religious tribunal, why are you acting like the religious aspect is the problem?

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Canadians are asking, why do americans hate us? They hate our freedoms: our freedom of religion, our freedom of speech, our freedom to disagree with each other.

You err in assuming that the above comments are made by the same person. They are not.
This particular religion has a 1400 year history of oppression. Death to the infidels, death for apostasy, death for questioning authorities, mutilation for theft, and convincing people to martyr themselves built in. It is barbarous and not acceptable to me. I would not subject anyone to such nonsense in this day and age, I believe that they (we) deserve the right of self-determination. Death to infidels and/or death to apostates does not leave much room for choice. If people in this country want to live under sharia law, move to a country that has it, don't import it here. I realize they are only referring to family matters but its just the thin end of a wedge.

Given that just writing this type of stuff leads to death threats from fanatics (salmon rushdie anyone?) I will stay anonymous...

One law for all otherwise I could just make up my own religion and rules and damn rest of the laws.