Russia Threatens Global Anti-Terror Strikes

Posted on Thursday, September 09 at 09:12 by N Say

"As for carrying out preventive strikes against terrorist bases, we will take all measures to liquidate terrorist bases in any region of the world," Col.-Gen. Yuri Baluyevsky, chief of the Russian General Staff, told reporters.

"It does not mean that we are planning nuclear strikes," he said. "The forms and methods will depend on the circumstances."

The threat comes as Russian officials offered a $13-million reward for information that helps "neutralize" two Chechen rebel leaders believed to be behind the Beslan school siege.

As well, the president of North Ossetia, the region in which Beslan is located, has promised that the government will step down within two days because its security forces failed to prevent the tragedy.

Facing a crowd of more than 1,000 people chanting "Resign!", Alexander Dzasokhov said "many problems have piled up that need to be solved better."

In offering the reward for information leading to the arrest of Shamil Basayev and Aslan Maskhadov, Russia's Federal Security Service, successor to the Soviet KGB, said the two had been responsible for "inhuman terrorist acts on the territory of the Russian Federation."

Maskhadov, the former president of Chechnya, has denied any involvement in planning the hostage standoff that killed at least 326 people.

"We condemn this monstrous act by these hostage-takers," Maskhadov's envoy Akhmed Zakayev said previously.

Basayev has not commented on the siege.

News of the bounty came as Russian officials confirmed for the first time the number of hostages taken during the school siege.

Prosecutor-General Vladimir Ustinov said Wednesday that more than 1,200 people were taken hostage. During the crisis, officials said around 350 people were being held.

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  1. Thu Sep 09, 2004 5:06 pm
    I have nothing but respect for Russian special forces. They do what needs to be done, and aren't afraid of senarios in which there may be a few civillian casualties. It's regrettable, but it would be more so to let one single hostage taker get what they want.<p> It takes a special kind of coward to point a gun at a child. Such people should be deleted from the gene pool as soon as they are identified.<p> But even experts don't know what the Chechens want now. And most agree, they will never get what they want. But none of that matters if Russia has their sights set on them. They will be hunted down like rabid dogs.<p> <p>---<br>"If you must kill a man, it costs you nothing to be polite about it." Winston Churchill <br />

  2. Thu Sep 09, 2004 5:13 pm
    Looks like this anti-terror stuff is becoming the next Sacred Cow under which a lot of ugly things will get justified. Like many Sacred Cows, it actually makes the problem worse than what it was before. The weapon peddlers, police/mercenary agencies and other merchants of hate will fare well on this Sacred Cow. Not sure about the People though... The Sacred Cow looks like a global one too, some sort of hybrid of Orwell 1984 and Animal Farm.

  3. Thu Sep 09, 2004 5:34 pm
    The Chechens almost certainly don't want to mown off like Afghans or Iraqis. And <a href='//www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,5010670-103610,00.html'>until they find some actual Chechens among the perps</a> I'm not going to believe it was Chechens. (Even if they do I'll be skeptical - it's always possible to scrape up a few dunderheads of the designated target group to lend authenticity.) Noone who plotted something that well couldn't know it would give Russia its excuse to bulldoze Chechnya. This <em>reeks</em> of falseflag op.

  4. Thu Sep 09, 2004 5:49 pm
    Makes sense, instead of waiting for terrorists to shoot more children at home they should go to their hideouts and kill them. The terrorists don't mind, they're 'martyred' either way.

  5. Thu Sep 09, 2004 6:06 pm
    Well..."plotted well", maybe more "plotted unevenly". It seems they started fighting amongst themselves because <a href='//news.independent.co.uk/europe/story.jsp?story=558993'>subordinates thought they shouldn't be shooting children like that and two of them got blown up as an example to the others</a>. Part of why I smell false flag: the participants lacked cohesion, like they were collected just to fill out the cast. Oddly clumsy for something that had its bombs planted and weapons stored weeks beforehand...

  6. Thu Sep 09, 2004 6:32 pm
    Then there's this: "The men were certainly not Chechens. When I spoke Chechen with them, they said they couldn't make out a word. 'Speak Russian,' they told me." (Aslanbek Aslakhanov, a Chechen, Putin advisor · <a href='//en.rian.ru/rian/index.cfm?prd_id=160&msg_id=4814496&startrow=1&date=2004-09-06&do_alert=0'>RIA Novosti</a>)

  7. Thu Sep 09, 2004 6:40 pm
    I did not mean whatsoever that the actions of these crazy lunatics were justified. It would however be appropriate to ask ourselves why were these people so hateful and why there are more and more of these people. Think what would happen for instance if the $200B the US spent in Iraq went to positive pursuits rather than feeding the hate machine. There are some shady characters that benefit from all the hate and ensure to spread it as much as possible. IMHO there is a "hate" market and it is out of control. Let's scratch below the surface instead of knee-jerking more hate into it.

  8. Thu Sep 09, 2004 7:30 pm
    They have identified 10 of the attackers - all Chechen or the neighbouring state of (I cant spell it) - otherwise not one foreign ARAB fighter.

    So many are so ready to jump on the 'kill em all' bandwagon. The Nazis used to call that crowd - useful idiots.

  9. Thu Sep 09, 2004 8:32 pm
    What part was played by the Islamic dimension in this tragedy?

  10. Thu Sep 09, 2004 10:49 pm
    Had Bush/Cheney state lunatics not spent $200B destabilizing this part of the world, I would expect a whole lot less people lunatics on the edge ready to be martyrs. Lunatics tend to inspire other ones into action whether at state level or at the people level. Spreading the markets of hate knows no ideological or geographical boundaries. Not only have they destabilized this part of the world, they have bankrupted their public infrastuctures internally and screwed our world economy beyond repair.

  11. Thu Sep 09, 2004 10:55 pm
    Total BS rubbish. Blame everything on the US.

  12. Thu Sep 09, 2004 11:31 pm
    Read again and don't twist the words as I do not align well with countries and flags: I did not blame it on the US but on ***Bush/Cheney*** and their stupid Toxic Right ideologies on markets that create these lunatics. There is a huge difference IMHO. The difference will become hopefully more clear after the November election. Should a clear majority of Americans vote them back in, the US will dig itself a bigger hole from the rest of the world.

    BTW I can be a huge fan of the US as many have observed on Vive, but I am no fan of Bush/Cheney. I will stand up to our own Toxic Left just as blind to their ideologies and sometimes just as hateful under their do-gooder veil.

    Finally make sure you read Margaret Atwood "Letter to America" and you will better understand this blame thing: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ ... /COATWOOD/

  13. Fri Sep 10, 2004 3:28 am
    Anonymouses have trouble with reading. Defence minister Sergei Ivanov, Tuesday: "About half of the 32 terrorists have been identified and we have not yet discovered anyone from Chechnya." · <a href='//www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,5010670-103610,00.html'>Guardian</a>

  14. Fri Sep 10, 2004 5:16 am
    Do you really think that Iran, Saudi Arabia, Syria,et al are less stable now than they were before the fall of Hussein and the Taliban? If you do think that how do you tell? I think the region is inherently unstable. The fact is no one knows what the final outcome will be, if the final effects will be positive or not.

    Do the populations of Iraq and Afganistan have a better chance to begin govern themselves now or five years ago? Is Khadaffi more or less likely to bankroll a terrorist incident?

    The truth is that we see events are viewed through the prism our own ideologies. What you see is not what I see.

    Would it be better if these countries had their own revolutions and if they won their own freedom? Yes it would. The problem I see is that the days when there was a relative equality of force between the citizenry and the government are long gone. During the American Revolutionary war it was muskets and cannon versus rifles and cannon. The British were better organized and fed but the American marksmen and their rifled more accurate long guns weren't overmatched and their committment was the difference.

    Today the government, wherever it may be, most likely has machine guns, Tanks, Artillery, rockets, Jet bombers and fighters and choppers. Insurgents have RPGs AK47s and AK74s, maybe some hand held missiles. Not exactly a fair fight. So world powers provide weaponry and support through the back door to countries and insurgents to try and even things out and/or help the side they think mirrors their own ideology.

    Some want to have a hands off world where each country has a right to determine its own fate and what happens inside its own borders. The way I think of it is like this. The world is like a neighborhood. Countries are families. There is acceptable and unacceptable behavior in the neighborhood. We'd like you to keep your yard picked up and that you not assault other people who live in the neighborhood. We don't want you to steal from your neighbors either.

    Now a problem begins. Over at the Smith's house we notice that Joe is beating his kids and he's cutting off his kids fingers. He keeps one of his daughters in the closet and doesn't let her eat or leave the closet to attend school. She's 12 years old and weighs 35 pounds.

    Then Mark Selznik goes over to your house and he takes your lawnmower and burns down your shed.

    Joe Smith is brutalizing his own family and hasn't hurt anyone but his own people in his own house. We better leave him alone. After all if his kids, aged 5,7,9 and 12 want to change things they can overthrow Joe, never mind that he's 6'-2" and weighs 250 pounds.

    Now Mark he's stepped over the line, lets have the neighborhood association write him a letter asking him to rebuild your shed and give you back your lawnmower. Yeah right!

    You don't call the United Nations, I mean the neighborhood association, you call the cops. You don't expect the kids to take over from their father you call the cops. The United Nations aren't the cops. I wish they were. They are a bunch of politicians just like the politicians you have in Canada. There is graft and corruption and people getting rich off of "humanitarian" programs.

    So when you know something is rotten do you try to change things? Do you try even though you know that to act is fraught with peril and the chance for mistakes? Do you do nothing and justify it by saying it's none of your business and they really aren't hurting me? Do you stand back in safety and nitpick the efforts of the guy who's trying to do what's right? Do you join in and help find solutions and put yourself out there where the action is? I don't know what you do? I know what I hope I'd do.

    Have Bush and the US made mistakes in their pursuit of the terrorist cabal? Yes they have. Is the world safer? Up for interpretation, too soon to tell. Do changes need to be made in the world? Yes without a doubt. Is the world's economy subject to the effects of US policies. Duh? Is the global economy affected by terrorist activites? Duh again.

    I'd rather see the US try and do something right and partially succeed than to see the US sit on the sidelines and do nothing.

    By the way have you seen the stories where the French government allowed French companies to sell French armaments to Sadaam during the time leading up to the US intervention. This was during the time the UN had prohibited the French from supplying weapons to Iraq. Iraq owed France billions in loan repayments. Whoops there it is. Another conspiracy but this time it's not the US. France didn't support Sadaam because they supported his sovereignty they did so because they wanted to get paid.



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