British Energy Expert Warns Of Hydro Privitisation In Ontario Hearing

Posted on Monday, August 23 at 15:15 by Perturbed
WINDSOR, Ont. (CP) - Ontario risks sharp hydro price increases if it gives the private sector a greater role in the electricity market, says a British expert on energy markets. Stephen Thomas of the University of Greenwich issued the warning in a report presented Monday to a legislature committee that's holding hearings across Ontario on a government plan to overhaul the province's electricity network. Later in the article, Dwight Duncan, IIRC the man who proposed a national energy grid, reveals his view on the ability of the public sector to do anything but deliver power: "Duncan said he read Thomas's paper, but couldn't see what data the energy expert was using to draw his conclusions. "In my view, to go back to that old model which left us with a $38-billion unfunded liability, left us with the worst nuclear assets in the world, left us with the dirtiest coal plants, it's just not in the cards," said Duncan. "We believe that in order to generate the investment we need, it's tomfoolery to suggest that OPG can do it." "However, Thomas said Ontario Power Generation should be relied upon to carry out the investment in new power generation, rather than the government opening up the process to other companies. The standing committee's hearings, which kicked off Aug. 16, continue through this week." To read the entire article: http://www.canada.com/news/national/story.html?id=f0d49c80-a5ae-4f07-902c-74894873ca0a

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  1. Tue Aug 24, 2004 6:07 am
    So Dwight Duncan isn`t progressive. Should have known it was too good to be true! I don`t know, I say it`s time for revolution, or general strike, because it doesn`t matter who we elect- they`re all the same bunch of corporate fascists!

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    Dave Ruston

  2. Tue Aug 24, 2004 6:42 am
    OPG could do it if those elected would stop seeing the dollar signs in private corporate interests! How does it ever make sense; if you must spend the money, do it, why allow private interests to dominate our necessities?? Spend the money, build the plants, hire the workers and we own the entire thing, rather than leave it in private hands, they hire, they dictate price and we are once again the victims.

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    If I stand for my country today...will my country be here to stand for me tomorrow?

  3. Tue Aug 24, 2004 4:41 pm
    Some 'expert'. Of course electricity prices would go up if we didn't subsidize the present system with millions of tax dollars - who couldn't figure that out. Waste lots of electricity and build more plants because its tax subsidized and cheap or charge individuals the going rate for what they use, instead of higher taxes, which will lead them to conserve. That's economics pre-101 it's so simple, we don't need these 'experts'.

  4. Tue Aug 24, 2004 9:19 pm
    Not all industries can conserve very much.

  5. by hoopoe
    Wed Aug 25, 2004 5:05 pm
    If that's economics pre-101, how about some economics 101. First of all, building power plants with tax dollars is not subsidization; it is investment in public infrastructure. Quite simply put, this is because you own what you yourself build. If you want a good example of this, Enmax (Calgary's electricity provider whose initial infrastructure was paid for with tax dollars) is operated as a separate corporate entity with the City of Calgary as the sole shareholder that made tens of millions dollars profit last year, all of which could be demanded by the city if they wanted. In other words, any profit not set aside for capital investment is returned to the City of Calgary.

    Secondly, you imply that simply because electicity generation is connected to government people will waste it. That doesn't hold up. The government doesn't spend tax dollars to build refineries and gas stations and yet I see many, many people wasting gas driving around in their SUVs.

    The real simple economic lesson here is that governments can provide essential services more cheaply because when somebody owns something they always pay less than when renting simply because in a capitalist system no one provides a service or goods without the expectation of a profit (in this day and age the heftiest profits possible).

  6. Wed Aug 25, 2004 5:28 pm
    I agree, though I can think of one example where renting IS cheaper than buying--in a city like Toronto or Vancouver, it's much cheaper to rent your housing than pay the market price right now, which is ridiculous. In a smaller community, of course, renting wouldn't make as much sense financially. When it comes to housing, renting also gives people more flexibility.

    Owning an essential service is excellent long-term thinking, as you mentioned! It also gives us the power to set our future course, besides the greater affordability and reliability.

  7. Wed Aug 25, 2004 6:57 pm
    You seem to misunderstand the present system. Today we have cheap electricity prices because the government subsidizes them with tax money - so people use more and waste more, they don't see the charge on their own individual bill and so have little incentive to conserve. If people had to pay the going rate for what they use, they would tend to conserve it more, that's just the way people are. After the blackout in Ontario individual consumers did little to conserve once some power came back on because there was no incentive for them to conserve, no penalty if they didn't. Even your dreaded SUV drivers would turn the lights off in their corporate head offices if it started to affect the bottom line. Human nature isn't easily changed by slick marketing programs and politicos asking people to be nice and conserve.

  8. Thu Aug 26, 2004 1:48 am
    Not true - the people of BC paid for the electric systems in this province and for it we are supplied with some of the cheapest rates in the world. BC Hydro also turns a profit - so what was that about subsidizing the systems in Canada?

    As soon as you tag a profit motive to any prior public run system costs always rise, and will always continue to do so as the corporation must always show its shareholders increased profits year over year. No such thing exists with a public system.

    Private operators also use TAX DOLLARS which is a direct subsidy to them to maintain and build systems. Why are not crying over that?

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    If there was ever a time for Canadians to become pushy - now is the time - for time is running out on this nation called Canada.

  9. Thu Aug 26, 2004 5:28 am
    Not to mention, under a private system, poor people couldn`t afford the minimum electricity they use just for the basics, while the rich and the big Toronto office towers and the like, would waste because they could afford to!

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    Dave Ruston

  10. Thu Aug 26, 2004 6:06 am
    you know ... Hydro Quebec is the best example that a government owned power grid is the best solution

    its the crown corporation that makes the most money in Canada and it should be like that EVERYWHERE in the country

    the only thing that i find stupid, and is one of the reasons why our social systems are collapsing, is NAFTA

    heres one of the stupidest things ive seen
    Hydro-Quebec produces energy and sells it to Quebec residents at 5 cent a KW, they sell it to the americans at 2 cents a KW (JUST THAT is stupid ... we should charge them 3 times the price) but heres the punch line under NAFTA ... the americans are reselling our electricity back to us at twice the price !!!

    cause under the nafta agreement everything is a commodity and can be traded to anyone

    so we are getting screwed over and over by this
    DOWN WITH NATFA ! LETS NATIONALISE EVERY UTILITY OUT THERE !
    FOR THE FUTURE OF CANADA

  11. Thu Aug 26, 2004 4:03 pm
    ABSOLUTELY!!!

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    Dave Ruston



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