Arctic Nations Agree To Fight Glacial Melting - But Decline To Counter Global Wa

Posted on Thursday, November 25 at 15:21 by pylon
This is just silly.

From the Boston Globe:

Deferring to US, group stops short of backing steps

By Juliet Eilperin, Washington Post | November 25, 2004

WASHINGTON -- Eight nations with Arctic territory agreed yesterday to fight glacial melting and other effects of climate change in the region, though they declined to endorse any new steps to counter global warming out of deference to the Bush administration.

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  1. Fri Nov 26, 2004 7:34 am
    Ok,whos smoking crack in the newsroom?! You CAN"T fight "glacial melting" without doing anything for "global warming".The two are synonomous with each other.
    Do something,anything to curb the effects of an energy sucking populace,do it,INSPITE of the US and all its bully,big brother bureaucratic bullsh*t.
    I am so sick of the US having its finger in everything,including our PM!!!

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    A little peice of heaven is found in good deeds.

  2. Fri Nov 26, 2004 4:22 pm
    Some of these idiots are actually licking their lips at the prospect of a warming arctic providing access to more untapped resources.

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    Dave Ruston

  3. Fri Nov 26, 2004 5:40 pm
    Canada cannot stop climate change and the Kyoto protocol will not stop climate change even if it were followed to the letter.

    'Climate' is popularly considered to be a constant, it is derived from a 30 year period of weather data. That's the problem here - we're led to believe the 'constant' is changing and it's our fault.

    Earth's climate has not changed, what is happening now in the Arctic has happened many times in the past and this warming followed by cooling followed by warming will continue long after we're all gone.

    The belief that we are the gods changing climate, by a single gas no less!, is equally false - there is no accurate model to predict the future - and there won't be until the realm of physics is much farther advanced than it is today.(study heat transfer in the climatology of high latitudes - there are more questions than answers, but that's science)

    The notion that Canada(population 30 million) will have any affect on global climate by Kyoto Protocol-regulating ourselves to death is also way too far removed from reality. China and India(combined population two-thousand-million) can launch more CO2 out of one city than all of Canada.

    Our sovereignty is definitely compromised by Kyoto - it transfers power to an international and highly political regulatory regime and then it transfers our wealth, what little we have, to behemoths like China and India.

  4. by pylon
    Fri Nov 26, 2004 6:08 pm
    <blockquote> 'Climate' is popularly considered to be a constant, it is derived from a 30 year period of weather data. That's the problem here - we're led to believe the 'constant' is changing and it's our fault. Earth's climate has not changed, what is happening now in the Arctic has happened many times in the past and this warming followed by cooling followed by warming will continue long after we're all gone. </blockquote> <p> Um no, sorry. Dead wrong. It's attitudes like this that are ringing a death knell for this planet. <p> Climate change, and our direct contribution to it is a fact, not a coincindence. <p> From davidsuzuki.org <p> <i>The science on climate change is solid. <p> In 1988, the United Nations appointed a group of more than 2,000 non-partisan climate scientists worldwide to find out whether climate change is real or not. This group, known as the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, has released three conclusive reports since then confirming the scientific basis of global warming. The U.S. National Academy of Science and many other national academies have reached similar conclusions. <p> By studying core samples from glaciers, scientists can calculate average temperatures and analyze atmospheric composition many years into the past. They show that the global climate has indeed varied over time. However, <b>the current rapid, steep rise in greenhouse gas concentrations in the atmosphere in the last 200 years is without precedent</b>. Scientists say the problem will get worse at an accelerating rate unless action is taken.</i> <p> As for China and ndia - they are exempt due to the fact that it's <b>not their fault</b> <p> ibid: <p> <i>Developing countries, including India and China, do not have to commit to reducing greenhouse gas emissions in the first phase of Kyoto reductions because their per-capita emissions are much lower than those of developed countries. They have not contributed significantly to today’s levels of pollution: that has been the product of the developed world’s Industrial Revolution.</i>

  5. Fri Nov 26, 2004 8:11 pm
    David Suzuki is a media hound with no scientific credibility. This little shpiel of his sounds like the typical play on guilty white liberals. A standard tactic of the lefty types that regular people are getting fed up with.

    If greenhouse gases are so unprecedented and awful for the world's temperature because the bad white man has been pumping them out for two hundred years now, why has it been so cold for the past 900 years?

  6. by pylon
    Fri Nov 26, 2004 8:45 pm
    ???

    "If greenhouse gases are so unprecedented and awful for the world's temperature because the bad white man has been pumping them out for two hundred years now, why has it been so cold for the past 900 years?"

    Thanks for proving the point!

    By The Way:

    Dr. David Suzuki:

    EDUCATION

    Postdoctoral
    1961 Summer Fellow, National Institutes of Health Fellowship
    Rocky Mountain Biological Lab - Crested Butte, Colorado USA

    1961-1962 Research Associate, Biology Division
    Oak Ridge National Laboratory - Oak Ridge, Tennessee, USA

    Graduate
    1961 Ph.D. Zoology
    University of Chicago - Chicago, Ill., USA

    Undergraduate
    1958 BA Honours in Biology
    Amherst College - Amherst, Mass., USA

    High School
    1954 Graduate London Central Collegiate Institute
    London, Ontario, Canada

    ACADEMIC CAREER

    2001-current Professor Emeritus
    University of British Columbia - Vancouver, BC, Canada

    1993-2001 Professor, Associate, Sustainable Research Development Institute
    University of British Columbia - Vancouver, BC, Canada

    1969-1993 Professor, Department of Zoology
    University of British Columbia - Vancouver, BC, Canada

    1965-1969 Associate Professor, Department of Zoology
    University of British Columbia - Vancouver, BC, Canada

    1963-1965 Assistant Professor, Department of Zoology
    University of British Columbia - Vancouver, BC, Canada

    1962-1963 Assistant Professor, Department of Genetics
    University of Alberta - Edmonton, Alberta, Canada

    1978-Fall Visiting Professor, Department of Zoology
    University of Toronto - Toronto, Ontario, Canada

    1977-Spring Visiting Professor, Molecular Biology
    University of California - Berkeley, California, USA

    1976-Spring Visiting Professor, Bacteriology & Immunology
    University of California - Berkeley, California, USA

    1972-Spring Honorary Professor, Department of Biology
    University of Utah -Salt Lake City, Utah, USA

    1972-Winter Visiting Professor, Department of Biology
    University of Puerto Rico - Rio Piedras, Puerto Rico

    1971-Winter Honorary Professor, Department of Biology
    University of Utah - Salt Lake City, Utah, USA

    1969-Spring Visiting Professor, Department of Genetics
    University of California - Berkeley, California, USA

    1966-Summer Visiting Professor, Department of Zoology
    University of California - Berkeley, California, USA

    1959-1961 Teaching Assistant, Department of Zoology
    University of Chicago IL. USA

    1958-1959 Research Assistant for Dr. W.K. Baker
    University of Chicago - Chicago, Ill., USA

    1957-1958 Teaching Assistant, Department of Biology
    Amherst College - Amherst, Mass., USA

    1958-Summer Fish Biologist, Department of Lands & Forests
    Sudbury, Ontario, Canada

    ACADEMIC HONOURS AND AWARDS

    ACADEMIC
    2000 - Lifetime Achievement Award University of British Columbia Alumni
    1992 - Commemorative Medal 125th Anniversary of Canadian Confederation
    1992 - MacLachlan Great Canadian Medal MacLachlan College & Preparatory School
    1990 - Wiegand Award for Canadian Excellence, University of Waterloo
    1986 - Gold Medal Award Biological Council of Canada
    1981 - Honorary Fellow Ryerson University
    1981 - BC Science and Engineering Gold Medal Science Council of BC
    1979 - Honorary Diploma Dawson College, Montreal, Quebec
    1979 - Award of Distinction Northwest Institute of Ethics and the Life Sciences
    1978 - Honorary Guild Shield Conestoga College, Kitchener, Ontario
    1974 - Honorary Life Membership for Teaching Achievements
    University of British Columbia Alumni Association

    HONOURARY DEGREES

    2001 Hon. Doctor of Laws, Simon Fraser University, Canada
    2000 Hon. Doctor of Environmental Science, Unity College, U.S.A.
    1999 Hon. Doctor of Science, Whitman College, U.S.A.
    1998 Hon. Doctor of Laws, Open University, Canada
    1997 Hon. DSc, Griffith University, Australia
    1988 Hon. DSc, Amherst College, U.S.A.
    1987 Hon. DSc, Carleton University, Canada
    1987 Hon. LLD, Queen’s University, Canada
    1987 Hon. DSc, McMaster University, Canada
    1986 Hon. DSc, Lakehead University, Canada
    1986 Hon. Doctor of Humane Letters, Governors State University, U.S.A.
    1986 Hon. LLD, University of Calgary, Canada
    1981 Hon. LLD, Trent University, Canada
    1979 Hon. Dsc, Acadia University, Canada
    1979 Hon. DSC, University of Windsor, Canada
    1974 Hon. LLD, University of Prince Edward Island, Canada

    ELECTRONIC MEDIA

    2003 - Fast Forward Award for Outstanding Contribution to Educational Media First recipient Langara College, Vancouver BC
    2002 - John Drainie Award for excellence in Broadcast Journalism, Banff
    1997 - Gemini Award, Best Host, The Nature of Things Food or Famine
    1996 - Honoree, Global Dreams A tribute hosted by David Foster and Dan Aykroyd, House of Blues in Hollywood, Los Angeles, CA.
    1995 - Parents Choice Award, Audio Award Amazing Journey,Children Sing to the Beat of the Earth
    1994 - San Francisco Exploratorium, Public Understanding of Science Award
    1994 - Gemini Award, Best Host, The Nature of Things, Trading Futures
    1992 - Genesis Award for Outstanding Cable Documentary, The Nature of Things Animals in Research: Breaking the Habit
    1992 - Gemini Award, Best Host, The Nature Connection, Tide Pools
    1990 - Silver Medal, Council for Advancement of Education Best Audiovisual Package, UBC Perspectives
    1989 - Humanitarian Award, Canadian Health Food Association
    1989 - Bronze Medal, Council for the Advancement of Education Best Audiovisual Package, UBC Perspective
    1989 - Award of Excellence, Banff Television Festival
    1986 - Grand Award (Silver Medal), Canadian Council for Advancement of Education Best Audiovisual Package, UBC Perspectives
    1986 - Gold Award, Canadian Council for the Advancement of Education Award Best Audiovisual Package, UBC Perspectives
    1986 - Award, Best Television Script, A Planet for the Taking, Episode 6, Improving on Nature
    1986 - Member, Global 500 Roll of Honour, UN Environment Programme
    1986 - Genesis Award, Fund for Animals, Los Angeles, Best Documentary
    1986 - Gemini Award, Best Host of TV Series, The Nature of Things
    1986 - Canadian Council for the Advancement of Education Award Best Audiovisual Package, UBC Perspectives
    1985 - World Environment Festival Award, CBC Science Unit, A Planet for the Taking
    1985 - Governor General’s Award for Conservation, A Planet for the Taking
    1985 - ACTRA Award, Best Host of TV Series, Futurescan
    1983 - Japan Times Prize, The Nature of Things, Japan Shows
    1983 - Japan Gold Prize, Best Foreign Film on Japan, The Nature of Things
    1983 - Diploma of Honour, XXXVI Congress, Film Video Genetics, Paris, France The Nature Things, To be or not to be
    1983 - Bell Northern Award for The Nature of Things, Japan Shows
    1983 - Asahi Evening News Prize, The Nature of Things, Japan Shows
    1979 - Prix Anik Award for Best Documentary Film, Tankerbomb, Host and Narrator
    1979 - Bell-Northern Award for Science Communication in the electronic media
    1977 - Bell Northern Science Communication in the electronic media
    1976 - Bell Northern Award for Science Communication in the electronic media
    1976 - BC CTRA Award for radio host of Quirks and Quarks
    1976 - Award for the best documentary film The Hottest Show on Earth
    1976 - Award as Broadcaster of the Year, Canadian Broadcasters League

    PRINT MEDIA

    2004 - Canadian Science Writers’ Children’s Book Salmon Forest
    2000 - BC 2000 Book Award, You Are the Earth
    1999 - TORGI Talking Book of the Year Award, The Sacred Balance The Canadian National Institute for the Blind
    1999 - Alberta Theatre Projects, Recipient Bob Edwards Award
    1996 - Recipient, Science Book of the Year, Secret of Life
    1990 - Author of the Year, Canadian Booksellers Association
    1988 - Authors Award, 2nd Prize, Foundation for the Advancement of Canadian Letters Paperback book, nonfiction, David Suzuki Talks about AIDS
    1988 - Recipient, Children’s Literature Roundtables of Canada Award Looking at Insects
    1985 - Quill Award, National Communication Award (Press)
    1975 - Canadian Human Rights Foundation Award for Publication

    PROFESSIONAL AWARDS

    2004 - Lindbergh Award
    2004 - Canadian Society for Training and Development President’s Award
    2002 - International Scientist of the Year International Biographical Centre of Cambridge, England
    2002 - Recipient, Queen Elizabeth II Golden Jubilee Medal
    1999 - Recipient, 1999 Freedom Award International Freedom Festival, Canada
    1999 - Member, Global 500 Roll of Honour, UN Environment Programme
    1999 - Recipient, Green Cross Millennium Award for Individual Environmental Leadership U.S.A.
    1995 - Recipient, Order of British Columbia
    1995 - Recipient, Spirit of Leadership Award BC Government and Service Employees’ Union (BCGEU)
    1988 - Recipient, Environmental Achievement Award Environment Canada
    1986 - Recipient, Royal Bank Award
    1986 - Recipient, UNESCO Kalinga Prize
    1985 - United Nations Environment Program Medal
    1984 - Medal of Honour, Canadian Medical Association
    1981 - Sanford Fleming Medal, Royal Canadian Institute
    1980 - 1983 Elected Secretary, Genetics Society of America
    1980 Elected Fellow, American Association for the Advancement of Science
    1978 - 1984 Fellow of the Royal Society of Canada
    1976 - Officer, Order of Canada
    1972 - Outstanding Japanese-Canadian of the Year Award
    1969 - 1972 E.W.R. Steacie Memorial Fellowship for the Outstanding Research Scientist in Canada under the age of 35
    1969 - 1970 President, Canadian Society of Cell Biology

    FIRST NATIONS HONOURS

    NUU CHAH NULTH, British Columbia Nuchi (Big Mountain)
    KWAGIULTH British Columbia Nan Wa Kawi (Man Who Knows Much)
    HAIDA British Columbia Gyaagan (My Own) Adopted by Ada Yovanovitch Eagle)
    BLOOD Alberta Nattoo Istuk (Sacred Mountain)
    KAURNA Australia Karnumeya (Mountain Man)
    CREE Alberta Kehiwawasis (Eagle Child) Honorary Chief
    HEILTSUK British Columbia Adopted by Chief George Housti family

    CIVIL RIGHTS

    1999 Cranes: National Tribute to Japanese-Canadian Life, Honorary Chair 1996 The Body Shop’s Social Interventions, Advisory Board Member
    1995 John Humphrey Freedom Award - International Centre for Human Rights and Democratic Development, Patron
    1995 Owl Communications/Honorary Owl” Campaign, Honorary Owl
    1994 International Centre for Human Rights and Democratic Development, Patron
    1994 Multicultural Alliance to Promote Literacy Education (MAPLE), Patron
    1983 - 1991 Canadian Civil Liberties Association, Member, Board of Directors 1989 Committee Against Racism, Honorary Member
    1986 Amnesty International (Canadian Section) Council Member
    1984 World Federalists of Canada, Advisory Board
    1979 - 1982 Canadian Civil Liberties Association, Vice&#8209;President 1979 Hiroshima&#8209;Nagasaki Revisited, Patron
    1977 - 1978 Canadian Civil Liberties Union, Director
    1975 Canadian Human Rights Foundation, Award for Publication
    1973 BC Civil Liberties Union, Honorary Director
    1972 Outstanding Japanese&#8209;Canadian of the Year Award

  7. by KWL
    Fri Nov 26, 2004 8:47 pm
    Exactly how cold has it been for the past 900 years Anon? Fill us in How does Suzuki not have scientific credibility? You mean his Phd means absolutely nothing? And here I thought it meant you were an expert in your chosen field. Doh! How stupid of me. I guess you are the expert hey?

  8. Sat Nov 27, 2004 5:27 am
    Wow! with all that running around collecting accolades, how did he ever manage to do any science? oh that's right, science comes after media exposure and networking for our holy priest of the CBC...

  9. Sat Nov 27, 2004 8:01 am
    David Suzuki is a good scientist whatever.That to me is not the issue.There are thyings that we ALL do to affect climate.It dosen't take a trained scientist to do it.Heres a test.Set up a room with plants or try it at your local grow op.Spray chemicals in there for a lengthy period of time.See what happens.It will eventually take a toll.
    The problem is,to much blab,not enough work on the problem.No amout of Kyoto Accords will help as long as we keep sucking and demanding the energy that we do out of this old earth.SU freakin Vs,anything with a V8,scrap it.Heavily fine those corporations that will not amend there ecological mandates,and i mean HEAVY fines.Make em toe the line.(Dupont for example)Force government to step in with better recycle programs(again force corporation to recycle.)
    I could go on but,I won't.

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    A little peice of heaven is found in good deeds.

  10. by Wraun
    Sat Nov 27, 2004 8:37 pm
    Well we could always send refridgerators north, plug 'em in and leave the doors open. this story is a perfect example of just how bad the situation is. "The whole world's goin' crazy" April Wine was way ahead of the times.

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    Canada for Canadians

  11. by Wraun
    Sun Nov 28, 2004 5:51 pm
    Humans are nothing more than parasites on the back of Mother Earth and she will eventually give one big shake, we'll be gone and Mother Earth will go on.

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    Canada for Canadians



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