The reader should further bear in mind that the meeting described took place at a time that the Hitler-Stalin non-aggression pact was in force, meaning that at that time Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union were essentially allies. The pact had been signed in August of 1939. In December 1939 the Soviet Union had been expelled from the League of Nations for its unprovoked attack on its small neighbor, Finland. In 1940 it had gone on to invade and conquer Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.
The following passage is at the conclusion of Chapter XIII, from page 143 to page 148:
In 1940, I wired the President appealing for the cooperation of Government law enforcement agencies in anti-fifth-column activities. The President telephoned my home in Orange, said he appreciated the telegram, wanted to review the situation and asked if I could leave for Washington that evening. Full of hope engendered by his friendly tone, I arrived for our scheduled 12 o'clock meeting, and cooled my heels for nearly an hour. Finally, the door opened and out walked Gardner Jackson, the man who had paid David Mayne for the forged [William Dudley] Pelley letters with which Representative [Frank E.] Hook had hoped to destroy the Committee.*
I went in and Roosevelt had a stenographer take down the conversation. I asked if that wasn't rather unusual and he said, "Well I think it is best for everyone." I said, "That's fine--if I can get a copy of it." "You can get a copy of it," the President said.
We had established the fact that thousands of Communists, and their stooges and sympathizers were on the Government payroll, and I said, "Mr. President, we must do something about this. Here is a list of many of these people. We have their membership records in Communist-controlled organizations. If you understand the Communists as well as I do, you will know that they are in the government for one purpose alone, and that is to steal important military and diplomatic secrets to transmit them to Moscow."
The President was furious. I was surprised at his anger. He called me "Mr. Congressman"--he had called me "Martin" before--"Mr. Congressman, you must see a bug-a-boo under every bed." "No, I never look under the bed," I replied. "Well," he said, "I have never seen a man that had such exaggerated ideas about this thing. I do not believe in Communism any more than you do, but there is nothing wrong with the Communists in this country. Several of the best friends I have are Communists."
We conferred for more than an hour and I told in detail what was going on inside the Government. I told him that the Communists were stealing everything they wanted from Government files, that while the Axis powers were our immediate threat, in the long run Communism would become the greatest menace that ever confronted the free world. I reviewed for him our findings on Communist control of labor unions and front organizations, and warned that if the Soviets stole our industrial, military, scientific, and diplomatic secrets and got financial aid from us, she would in time be as strong as or stronger than the United States.
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