Reviving The PC Name: Hueglin Launches Progressive Canadians

Posted on Wednesday, April 07 at 01:33 by KevinGagnon
The Progressive Canadians is a reaction to that merger, and the subsequent leadership victory last week of former Alliance chief Stephen Harper, Hueglin said. "What this is is a resurrection, a continuation of what was extinguished on a Sunday, a day of infamy, Dec. 7," Hueglin said. "It is to have this party there, so that if the other one falls apart, we're there." Hueglin and a small group of disgruntled former Tories successfully registered their new political entity with Elections Canada. Now the PCs are seeking 50 candidates to carry the standard in the next federal election and make them eligible for all rights and privileges under the Elections Act. "There are many people who do not have a party at this point that they feel comfortable voting for," he said. Hueglin resisted the merger of his old party with the Canadian Alliance. He vowed - like other diehard Tories - to have nothing to do with the new party. But he did vote in the local Conservative party's nomination meeting earlier this month, something he said had more to do with his friendship with Conservative candidate Rob Nicholson than support for the new party. For his part, Nicholson said he wasn't sure what kind of impact the new group would have. "I don't know much about them," Nicholson said. "People who supported the old Progressive Conservative or the old Canadian Alliance parties know who to vote for," he said. Hueglin and the Progressive Canadians - about 300 across Canada - created the new entity "to contest the middle" against the Liberal party, Hueglin said. "If the Liberals tar this new party as being Reform III, as right wing as the NDP is left wing, then there is nothing in the centre to contest the Liberals," said Hueglin. "That's why our aim is to become a registered party at the end of the election, so there will be on the books a centrist, moderate party." Hueglin claims about a dozen people across the country - most in southwestern Ontario - have expressed an interest in being candidates. Putting PC Party on ballots seems to have the potential to confuse voters who won't make the distinction between the old Progressive Conservatives and the new Progressive Canadians. "It might. In the opinion of the chief electoral officer, it's OK," Hueglin said. - With files from the Canadian Press

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  1. Thu Apr 08, 2004 3:17 am
    I still have a problem with conservatives no matter what they call themselves. The main reason is the Mulroney years, the FTA and it's successor the NAFTA, not to mention the other scandals associated with this party of the past, so resurrecting any part of that doesn't impress me, I don't like the alliance conservative party either, similar reasons, as well as Harper and his deep desire to create the U.S.A.North....

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  2. Thu Apr 08, 2004 4:37 am
    Agree.

  3. Fri Apr 09, 2004 5:43 am
    I don't get the negativity. This is great--at least for the future. I mean, this is a new party. It isn't a sham party like the conservatives. Also, the Liberals have done more harm to Canada in their history than the PCs ever did.....that's right--the Liberals! The same party you two have voted for in the past....am I right, ladies? :)

  4. Fri Apr 09, 2004 5:51 am
    Another party with the official initials: P.C. and C.P. (in French). The communist party must be up in arms! :)

  5. Fri Apr 09, 2004 6:02 am
    Actually Perturbed I have never voted for the Liberals...sorry to dissappoint...I voted for Mel Hurtig's National Party, the NDP and I did vote conservative in the past...I actually like Joe Clark...but I don't trust the conservative Party, especially after reading, 'On The Take' the book about the Mulroney years...it describes in detail so much of the planning and corruption behind many decisions in Ottawa, the Liberals now are doing the same...so no matter what they call the party I see the connections to the old party...Mulroney and Pals were behind McKay and the Orchard fiasco, they were behind Belinda, now McKay is with Harper, so who are the old guys trying to revitalize the dead party, is Joe Clark there? Haven't heard that,is Orchard there? Those are two guys that I do trust ? as far as I trust politicians, but the conservative agenda still leads be back to the free trade and the subsequent sell out so no.....I won't be looking at conservatives in the near future, and I won't be looking at the liberals, never have!

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  6. Fri Apr 09, 2004 6:51 am
    Okay, okay.....I am concerned that Orchard isn't involved.....I wish it were him heading a "Progressive-Canadian" party, but now that the name is taken, who knows...he literally says he doesn't what what he's going to do this election. If he likes the new PCs, maybe he'd join them in the future, but he may have the same problem getting enough internal support to become leader he had in the old PCs.

    I am merely surprised that people who have voted NDP in the past would even think about voting for someone else, as Layton is (IMO) the best leader they've had since Broadbent, and much better than Lewis before him. Also, Broadbent wavered on the FTA due to his union supporters, who now have less influence over the party, by law, so we'll see. I just wish the NDP hadn't lost Broadbent when they did, with no young, strong leader to replace him. The two leaders that followed him were women, which may still be a big disadvantage, good or bad. They were good MPs, but they didn't even have skills to lead. A socialist party can't make itself irrelevant like ithat. The country suffered for it.

    If we don't support a third party, we're simply conceeding to the Americanizers before we've even started. Layton just needs to remember more than the environmental issues, as those are less-important to many rural citizens, as they don't live in congested, polluted cities of 4 million people, generally. :)

    Besides PR, voting NDP proves to the population that the majority DO NOT support Mr. Martin, even if Layton doesn't win.

  7. Fri Apr 09, 2004 2:05 pm
    As far as I know Orchard and his people have refused to take part in this new Progressive Canadian Party. Orchard, Stevens and all the others still believe in the Progressive Conservative Party being resurrected before the upcoming election.

    Kevin

  8. by JimmyD
    Fri Apr 09, 2004 2:40 pm
    Good morning everyone

    Nothing like a great debate to wake up to. Well first of all I think that the Progressive Canadain Party is probably the start of that one big party that Paul Hellyer was talking about. In its formation it has at least two of the ingredients that Paul was fighting for: the name progressive is a part of the name of the new party, and the party is centralist and moderate. The last thing he wanted was that a new constitution be provided. I am sure that this will happen with the help of new members. So everything could be in place.

    I also believe that David Orchard and the others will come on board once the Progressive Conservative case is heard at the end of April whatever way it turns out. You can be rest assured that it will be a long day in hell before the New Conservative party gives up the rights to the Progressive Conservative name.

    For Whelan: You have to remember that whatever happens, the PC's are going back to their roots before the Mulroney's days.If this was not the plan they would be a member of the new conservative party. If you are in on the ground floor we can ensure that this happens. The people of Canada are looking for that centralist, moderate party, not the new conservative republican party who are going to have moderate policies for the election campaign and if they get to form goverment will revert to their present policies, then look out. Nor the NDP, they are far left in the eyes of most Canadians. The Progressive Canadian Party will be in the Center to fight the liberals on their own turf. If they are not, all I can say is get ready for another liberal government.

    All I can say is lets get behind the PC's and lets get this party moving. It is the hope for now and the future.

  9. Fri Apr 09, 2004 5:57 pm
    Well, I'll beleive the moderate label when I se it. Personally, I'm not sure moderate politics works that well anymore. It would be okay, but a party is justified in being a bit more activist if it does things that are worthwhile. I mean, the way decent people like Orchard are, they get drowned out in all the noise. They need to speak up and get out of their mellow state.

    As for the NDP, it's ridiculous to call them far-left, and only fear-mongering keeps people thinking that way. Most Canadians are too selfish to pay more taxes. It's mostly business that would pick up the extra tab anyway, but Layton isn't even campaigning on tax increases. The disrespect most PCs have for the NDP is quite pathological. You make me laugh. What's with the attitude? The new PCs have just as much a chance of disappearing as they do of forming government.

    "Canadians want a moderate government." HAHAHAHAHAHAH... I guess Canadians are boring! The old Tories did a good job, and only the shear boredom of their persona and attitude allowed them to be pushed around as they were. THEY lost the ability to govern, because since Diefenbaker, they've sold themselves to American interests. Moderate government. What are you trying to do, make us as emotionless as the Swedish? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

  10. by JimmyD
    Fri Apr 09, 2004 8:46 pm
    Well, Well Perturbed

    How are you this fine day?

    It doesn't matter what I or you think it is the public doing the voting. Perception is the same as being. So after all of the scandal and everything else we see going on in Ottawa the NDP has stalled. So it is obvious that Jack Layton cannot talk people into voting for him. As I said before the people will not vote for the NDP, that is a fact, regardless of who tarred and feathered who they will not form a federal government. Bob Standfield on his worse day as leader of the PC Party had 109 seats in Parliament.

    Now I do agree with you that if David Orchard would come on board that the Progressive Canadian Party would have a good chance and if we go back to the party of John Diefenbaker we would have a winning combination. But what we have now is everyone standing around wondering what we are going to do to get a good alternative. Well the Progressive Canadians have done something. If people would get on board we can move the party more towards what we are looking for. We can introduce new policies, amendments to the constitution, etc. I am sure that the party would be opened to that.

    Hell, we can also call ourselves whatever we want i.e progressive Liberals, progressive conservatives, progressive Democrats etc all running as candidates for the Progressive Canadian Party. If we want to create that Big tent party we have to do so from within.

    Unfortunately for the NDP if it looks like a duck and it quacks like a duck, It is a Duck.

  11. Fri Apr 09, 2004 11:17 pm
    JimmyD,

    Personally I think realistically we have to vote for the NDP in order to get some kind of change. Its clear that the NDP will gain more seats then last election. The more seats they get the better it is for some kind of change to happen.

    Whether we end up with a manority government with Libearl/NDP or if we end up with a majority Liberal with the NDP having more seats then they presently do. They should be able to influence some change, and bring the PR voting system that we need in Canada. This will be good for new parties like the new parties we have already discussed.

    My vote is for the NDP this election cause its really the only option for change.

    Kevin

  12. Sat Apr 10, 2004 5:24 am
    Yes Kevin I agree, and JimmyD I do not get where you can say that the NDP absolutely will not form the government...anything is possible, as you also say it will be the voters who have the last say...I don't see how a new party of the old conservatives or whatever can possibly form a government...firstly nobody knows who they are and as for me, I am suspicious of all of those parties, the pc's, the old pc's, alliance pc's, the mulroney pc's and on and on...also the liberals, Martin,Chretien or whatever...they all have the same agenda, the only party that is standing up for Canadians at present is the NDP...so I will vote NDP...as I said before I would have voted CAP but that doesn't appear to be a happening thing...so NDP will be my vote, unless the person running in my riding turns out to be a fraud or something, but then I wouldn't know that until later!

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