Is The Red Tory Tradition Dead?

I met some tories on a egroup called PCoptions. They oppose this new conservative party. They talk allot about starting a new party of progressive conservatives [true conservatives]. Many of them are like me wondering and waiting what David Orchard will do.

Kevin Gagnon

Have they heard of the CAP?

They have actually. They know all about the talks of a merge with NDP and CAP. It doesn\'t sound like any of them have an interest in CAP. I know only one who chose NDP. The others are still lost and really not sure what their going to do. Some of them have been hurt by the merge.

Kevin Gagnon

I have a problem with the English language. A conservative is one who conserves.

A Liberal is one who gives freely, as in spending.

I think the labels are backwards, and have been for years.

The Liberals should be right-wing, and the Conservatives should be closer to the centre.

How come it\'s backwards ??
Who made it that way ?

Just a question, it doesn\'t really matter as long as we know who the bad guys are.




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"Arrogance in Politics is unacceptable"
Jim Callaghan
Minden, Ontario
705-286-1860
www.misterc.ca

they\'re all bad, far as I can tell, at least the ones with any power...but that\'s about to change..I hope!

Also I don\'t really get their names either, and I also don\'t get the Republican and Democrate thing either, none of them seem to be what they say they are, go figure!

Yeah what the Conservative Party (capital c) likes is small government, \"free trade\" etc which is classical liberalism. I heard an NDP person talking with Don Newman saying that the NDP should try to get a more east-west trade pattern going, which is as conservative as a Canadian can get. Maybe the \'left-wing\' NDP is the most (Canadian) conservative party in the country now? They don\'t want free trade (like MacDonald, Borden & Diefenbaker), they like big government (like MacDonald Borden & Dief) & progressive with social stuff, like women got the vote under Borden MacDonald wanted to give natives the vote (I think) which is what Diefenbaker did. Maybe the \'communist\' NDP is the REAL new conservative party?

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"So many right-wing Christians, so few lions." - t-shirt I saw @ school

You're just saying that to scare all us Red Tories.<p><p>---<br>"History does not repeat itself, but it does rhyme" Mark Twain <br />"The greatest price of not participating in politics is being governed by your inferiors." Plato

I\'m serious! Those are all traditional CANADIAN conservative (small \'c\') policies! I\'ll add that the PC leader who ran against Trudeau in the 70s (Robert something... he just passed away) had a platform including wage & price controls to fight inflation, which was an idea the Trudeau government stole later. Is that big government or what? That\'s about as far as you can get from Thatcher/Reagan/Mulroney/Harper/Stronach \"conservatism\".

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"So many right-wing Christians, so few lions." - t-shirt I saw @ school

You know what N Say I think you\'re absolutely right about this. I have an older sister that keeps telling me (because I\'m always so annoyed with the Alliance and PC) that the PC Party used to be the party that was truly for Canada and the Liberals were very right wing. It\'s hard to believe isn\'t it? But you know if your party is listening to you and evolving with the times it will always be what you demand from it not the other way around. Right now, I think the NDP, (of the 3 parties), are probably the only party that\'s really in tune with the times and the demands of true Canadians.

Perhaps that is where Jim (and I) get confused about the Liberal/Conservative thing. Perhaps the NDP are moving further right? (Left of center, but not so far left)<p><p>---<br>"History does not repeat itself, but it does rhyme" Mark Twain <br />"The greatest price of not participating in politics is being governed by your inferiors." Plato

I don\'t think the Liberals were simply \"Right wing\". They were more. They favoured policies of weakened sovereignty, which cannot be described as either \"Right\" or \"Left\". Even PCs who were rigth-of-centre defended our sovereignty at times, despite their business sympathies. Ne-conservatism, the radical, non-conservative globalizing attitude, is defined in French as neo-Liberal. (forget how to do the accent on my keyboard) Anyway, neo-conservatives, I believe, are hoping to pray on people who just vote by a party\'s name, and don\'t read the policies. This is why they chose the word conservative, although it\'s telling they removed the word progressive.

I don\'t think its backwards, as they\'re BOTH right-of-centre. However, this doesn\'t make them evil, their treasonous lack of action on foreign ownership, and encouragement of the sell-out of Canada is outright treason, nothing else.

Seriously! The Liberal governnment has gone on \"SOLICITATION\" trips to the States, encouraging Americans to \"Invest\" in Canada, which inevitably means BUY Canada. I only wonder, who are they working for? DO they actually believe foreign investment is a good thing?

(My guess is some don\'t, and the others (a la Sheila Copps) are just clueless.)