CAP Calls For Ceasefire -Israel/Lebanon Conflict

Who do you suppose Mr. Harper should negotiate with. Iran, Syria, Hamas, Hezbollah, anybody with a gun or rocket launcher at the table.
The second question is which of the above should he trust? Israel left Lebanon and Hezbollah moved their rocket launchers in right away, proclaimed victory, and started killing innocent Jews. They moved out of Gaza and Hamas moved in and startd launching rockets at them.
Are you so naive that you think that God's self-appointed little Jahidis are going to listen to Stephen Harper and ignore their instructions from their Almighty? Get real.

john, who are you talking to, this article? i'm sure it's listening to you.

<a href="http://www.mythoftheinnocentcivilian.com/">http://www.mythoftheinnocentcivilian.com/</a><br />
John Isreal's hands ard dirty also and as to the matter of degree of how dirty <br />
, well John the world is awakening to that which you seem to have no knowledge of<br />
You have my pity <br />
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<p>---<br>We have met the enemy and he is us<br />
Pogo<br />
A mind is a fire to be kindled, not a vessel to be filled.<br />
Plutarch

Regarding Israels dirty hands

How many Israeli parents strapped suicide belts to their children and ask them to go to the middle of a crowd of Arab children and light themselves up?
Now, how many Palestanian parents strapped suicide belts to their own children and directed them to find a crowd, perferably children, and light themselves up.
There's self-defence and there's murder. It's time to learn the difference. The dirty hands belong to the people who excuse this inhuman behavior. If you are one then you are are a participant in cold-blooded murder.

Got any proof that any Palestinian parents asked their children to do that?

Bombing civilian areas, lobbing artillary shells willy nilly into civilian areas is mass murder and the Israelis who have done this and/or ordered this to be done are guilty of it.

Israel should withdraw its troops and order all its armed forces to stand down.


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"Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth."
(Albert Einstein)

Do I have proof? One lady was elected to the Palestanian parliament based solely on the fact that she had raised three suicide bombers. She was on TV. She had six sons in all and promised they too would be suicide bombers.<br />
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You wanted proof now believe it for once in your life.<br />
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<a href="http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/">http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/</a><br />
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GAZA, Jan. 26, 2006 — Mariam Farahat, who was elected to the Palestinian parliament, can work a crowd like a veteran politician — shaking hands and greeting supporters. When she gets on the stage at a Hamas rally, she is the star attraction. She was one of Hamas' most popular candidates in Wednesday's election. <br />
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In Gaza, Farahat is known as Um Nidal, or Mother of the Struggle — a mother who sent three of her six sons on Hamas suicide missions against Israeli targets. <br />
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"We consider it holy duty," she told ABC News.<br />
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They have also used scores of feeble-minded children, children too young to have a concept of what death and suicide means, and even donkeys to do their dirty work. How many Jewish children do they have to blow to smithereens before you quit cheerleading for them to blow up more of their own kids?<br />
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It seems insane to wish them well.<br />
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<a href="http://www.zmag.org/content/Mideast/McCallin_blooms.cfm">http://www.zmag.org/content/Mideast/McCallin_blooms.cfm</a><br />
Excerpt:<br />
Today, Israel uses 79% of the Mountain Aquifer and all of the Jordan River Basin -- bar a small quantity that it sells to Palestinians in Gaza. The result is apartheid in all but name. Israelis get 350 litres of water per person per day, Palestinians get just 70 litres. The minimal quantity of water recommended by the World Health Organisation is 100 litres. <br />
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When supplies run low during the summer months, the Israeli water company, Mekorot, simply shuts off the valves that supply Palestinian towns. This means settlers get their swimming pools topped up while Palestinian villages a few miles away run out of drinking water.<br />
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Commentary:<br />
Just as the United States under FDR shut off Japan's sources of oil, leaving the latter little choice but to invade Indonesia or strangle, so Israel prods and pokes the Palestinians in such an offhand and arrogant manner that there can be no other response from them at some point. Perhaps this now is that point........<br />
<p>---<br>"We can have a democracy or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of the few. We cannot have both."<br />
- Justice Louis Brandeis

One more question for all you skeptics.
Why do Palestinian families make so much money off their poor children becoming suicide bombers and killing Jewish children?
They get houses, cash, I mean , how could a son (or a daughter) say no to all that pressure?
You might say they sell their children to a horrible death for financial gain and I think for the most part you would be spot on.

<blockquote>They get houses, cash, I mean , how could a son (or a daughter) say no to all that pressure?</blockquote> So we "over here", invest in pharmaceutical companies, and pesticide/herbicide manufacturers, the products and byproducts of which kill thousands (or worse yet maim tens of thousands), all in the name of profit. You are going to tell me there is a difference?<p>---<br>"We can have a democracy or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of the few. We cannot have both."<br />
- Justice Louis Brandeis

A suicide belt or a 500 lb bomb with a 500 ft blast radius - what is the difference John? They both kill and maim innocent people. So if one is terrorism - so is the other.

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If there was ever a time for Canadians to become pushy - now is the time - for time is running out on this nation called Canada.

There is never justification for murder no matter who is doing it. If someone does not speak out against what Israel is doing to the Palestinians and now has spread to the Lebanese then we are not better than those that didn't speak out for those that died at the hands of the Nazis. Any Jewish person that wants to live peacefully following their Jewish faith in my opinion needs to leave Israel because I believe they are pawns in a much bigger and much uglier plan than they realize. And I would love to know how many people living in Israel that support this barbarism are devout Jews? (Not to say that all people of faith are without sin)

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"And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music." Friedrich Nietzsche

You have a Fox News view of the world to say the least John.

People don't strap bombs to their bodies for the cash John. They do it because they have lost all hope. They have lived their ENTIRE lives under occupation. They live in ghettos, they go where they are told, and nowhere else. They see their families killed and maimed by 'stray' artillery. They see their land being taken by 'settlers'. They see their farms and income earning potential destroyed to make way for an apartheid wall.

When a Western soldier is killed on the battlefield their wives and children get a stipend as well John. And when you live in dire circumstances like they do, with 40% unemployment, and the sons being the traditional breadwinners, it makes complete sense that militant groups would pay for those that die in battle or via suicide. We do it, and so do they.

But you see John, when you listen exclusively to Western corporate media you probably would never hear about how Palestinians are forced to live their entire lives.
It's not about the cash John - it's about the occupation.

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If there was ever a time for Canadians to become pushy - now is the time - for time is running out on this nation called Canada.

Thank you John <br />
If it hadn't of been for the tone of your post I probably never went on the hunt for this: <br />
<a href="http://www.allforums.net/showthread.php?t=542">http://www.allforums.net/showthread.php?t=542</a><br />
As the source is also a forum be sure to notice <br />
how the responders attempt to justice their position , kinda like you Bro<br />
and do as poorly as you do as well<br />
<p>---<br>We have met the enemy and he is us<br />
Pogo<br />
A mind is a fire to be kindled, not a vessel to be filled.<br />
Plutarch

john, in all honesty, i would not have understood a lot of what roy is talking
about until about 4 years ago when we had a wretched neighbour. i was
always a 'no war' type but never understood the depths of it. the neighbour
left threats left on my phone answering machine, he killed our dog and our
daughter's cat and endlessly harassed us. his threats were of both physical
and pyscologial manner...he talked about a friend of mine who had
committed suicide , and suggested that i had something to do with it and he
was going to call the family and have the body exhumed.

he's a sick, sick man. i lost 50 pounds, my nerves are still recovering, and
we did nothing but deal with police and courts (who were hopeless, this is the
marshmellow west coast where criminals have more rights). in the end i
assaulted the neighbour and got arrested....but i finally lost it. the blaring of
white noise from his speakers for five days straight, the 8 viedo cameras
pointed at our place to they'd watch our every move from inside and then
come out and video our every move.

they hurled their dog's excrement at our house, constantly blasted an air
horn, had the same (whatever it was) grudge against our other neighbours
and threw rat poisoning throughout their vehicles knowing they carted
around three dogs. stuff like this continued and continued despite his being
put on probation and restraining orders issues. when we'd call the cops on
yet another incident , the cops would tell us it was a civil matter and not a
breach of his probation.

finally i went behind the cops back and submitted all my reports plus
photographic evidence to crown. crown picked up on it and said i had
actually missed an additional charge. it went to court again. we drew a
judge who was 2 months from retirement and sit there and told stories of his
boyhood. our neighbour walked away because the judge was glad to have
had an audience , i guess, and in a good mood. oi! we were too stressed
out , exhausted , humiliated and feeling so much betrayal we didn't have the
oophm to contest.

this is a tiny tiny example of what the oppressed experience. in the end
when i finally lost it and did the assault (which was just grabbing their video
camera....and whew, crown council didn't pick up the charges), and when i
was mug-shotted and finger printed, we finally moved. in retrospect, we
should have done this much earlier but we had faith in the system and that
they would defend and protect us.

desperation exists because it becomes a matter of survival. if you have ever
been in survival mode, which i have experienced most of my life because of
childhood abuse, your picture of the world is much different and so much
loss is incurred that you don't even know yourself anymore. i have spent most
of my adult life working to learn to look at the world and myself in different
light. sexual, mental, emotional and physical abuse removed me so far from
myself i lived seperated from my heart and also acted 'the victim'. this is
because i was oppressed by abusers., but that what was 'normal' to me so i
didn't realize there was any other way to live.

too many never took up the chance to know themselves and their hearts
because the system demands we forego a lot of that. they deny any abuse in
their childhoods or take a cavalier attitude , or , as seen too much of, take on
destructive behavior. these are the oppressors.

it's easy for me to spot these people , the old adage 'takes on to know one'
rings true in this case.

oppression changes people from who they really are.

so we end up with situations like vietnam where they were a conquered
people by the french, then the americans tried to take over. no matter what
the government's rationale was at the time and all the war hawks who
supported vietnam....what was created was a people who had to do their best
to fight off conquerors who were raping and murdering their children. life
lost it's value. all that's cared about is survival and which triggers a brain-
chemical reaction not many have control over. try to beat it yourself if you
were ever in a situation like that.

please consider roy's comments as educational. to me, they are a reminder
to continue to be active voicing truths. thanks roy!