Yankee Stay Home!

Posted on Wednesday, July 27 at 20:00 by Robin Mathews
To answer it by saying the U.S. jails are not pleasant places is a laugh when one thinks what innocent Iraq people are facing. The answer that individuals going to jail wont help is not an argument. The more they organize by internet and social meeting and publicity, the more they will not be going to jail unnoticed. The most that dissenting U.S. militia men and women (and others who might be drafted) can do to end the war in Iraq is to fight in the U.S. and fill the U.S. jails. Why? Being jailed costs the U.S. government. Being jailed keeps the dissenters in the U.S. public eye. In addition, for every jailed dissenter there are usually two parents, brothers and sisters, aunts and uncles, and grandparents, and friends who don’t want them in jail and who consider jailing them an insult. By going to jail each dissenter increases the pressure on the U.S. government by at least ten times his (or her) own action. The cost to the U.S. government is many times more huge than the financial cost of jailing. It becomes a growing public relations disaster for the U.S. government. As a close observer and a writer on the draft dodgers in Canada during the Vietnam War, one of the things that was most obvious to me was that the U.S. government did almost nothing to stop dissenters from crossing the border into Canada. We know since 9/11 the U.S. will quickly pass undemocratic and draconian legislation when it wants to control movement in the U.S.A. It did almost nothing to prevent the draft dodgers from coming to Canada, I believe, because it wanted them to come to Canada. If forty or fifty thousand draft dodgers (who it is said came to Canada) had stayed in the U.S. and fought there, and if they had gone to jail there, the Vietnam War would have ended earlier than it did. By running away to Canada, those dissenters got out of the eye of the U.S. public so that the U.S. government could more easily conduct the war against the Vietnamese. Another way of describing the effect is to say that the Canadians who helped and gave sanctuary to the draft dodgers of the Vietnam War were helping the U.S. government to get a problem off its hands so that it could continue the war more effectively. Canadians who argue for Canada giving sanctuary and refugee status to U.S. people wanting to keep out of the Iraq War have to face those facts. The Canadians may be assisting those U.S. people to avoid the moral task that is before them and which – especially as U.S. citizens – they have the deepest obligation to take up. And those Canadians may, more importantly, be assisting the vicious and inhuman policies of the Bush government. I think the case made here so far is unarguable from a moral point of view. And on moral questions of importance, we are always called to the core of the matter. When AIDS first began, for instance, some people didn’t like homosexuality, didn’t like to talk of sexually transmitted diseases, didn’t think “society” should be responsible for individual acts. Then as the seriousness of the disease and its spread became evident, people turned to the basic considerations: the sanctity of human life, our obligation to relieve suffering, our sharing together the human condition. That must also be the case when we think of the U.S. people who don’t want to fight in Iraq but want to come to Canada to avoid the whole issue. We are not free to accept their own personal view of the matter – for there is no longer a “personal” view. The moral question provoked by the War in Iraq is too large for “personal” views to matter. Having said that, and having argued what I think is the core question concerning the military dissenters involved with the War in Iraq, I’ll add a little more – of secondary importance. Some of it comes from my experience observing, meeting draft dodgers from the Vietnam War, thinking about them and writing about the situation. Who – in a general evaluation – are the (mostly) men who are expected to go to Iraq as soldiers and don’t want to go? They are ordinary U.S. males of a youngish age. That means they have been well indoctrinated with U.S. values and ideas. They will be, mostly, U.S. liberal, anarchist individualists. That means they believe the individual is sacred. The individual comes first. In fact, the individual comes second, too, and even third. And so the individual looks after himself first, second, and third. That is one – only one – of the reasons the dissenter doesn’t want to fight in the U.S. to end the War in Iraq but wants to come to Canada and avoid the larger implications of the War. The sad truth about the draft dodgers from the War in Vietnam was (as far as Canada is concerned) they didn’t come to Canada. They left the U.S.A. If Mozambique had been across the border, they would have gone to Mozambique. They didn’t leave the U.S. because they believed Canada had a better system and constitution. They didn’t know anything about Canada. Canadians have no idea how little U.S. people know about this country. They disagreed with one matter of U.S. policy only – the U.S. government wanting them to fight in Vietnam - but they were still highly indoctrinated U.S. citizens coming from “the greatest country in the world”, the land – of all others – that leads in liberal anarchist individualism. The propaganda for anarchist individualism never stops in the U.S.A. because it is one of the roots of Capitalism. The individualist (capitalist) in the U.S.A. has the right to do what he can get away with to accumulate wealth and personal power (break unions, deny medicare, refuse to sell cheap AIDS drugs to Africa, rob shareholders, invade Iraq for its oil, and so on.) Sometimes there’s conflict among the individualists. The big individualists want to make the mighty capitalist U.S.A. mightier by hatchetting one more innocent population. But some of the little individualists don’t want to do the hatchetting. Because the little individualists are also indoctrinated sons of the U.S.A., they say: “Me first. I’m gettin outa here. I’m hittin the road to Kenada.” They are not – make no mistake – saying what anybody in any country would say under the same circumstances. They’re saying something very special to the U.S.A. The U.S. liberal anarchist individualist runs away. Remember Huck Finn. He didn’t say, “I don’t like things in the U.S.A. I’m going to change them.” He said he didn’t like being told that the social order demanded some things from him, so he said that he was lighting out “for the territory”. The territory was the place where social law didn’t exist and a liberal anarchist individualist could do what he pleased without coming up against “law”. Many people have said to me: “Don’t they think they should stay and fight? If they’re good U.S. people, shouldn’t they work to make the U.S. better?” The answer is “No”. Huck Finn said “No”. Real U.S. people say “No”. And U.S. literature is full of Huck Finns. The simple fact that they don’t want to go to Iraq and have their hips shot off is not surprising. That is a universal response. And that, deep down, they care about what is being done to innocent people in Iraq is universal, too. But what they do in that situation is not universal; it is peculiar to the U.S.A. So let’s look at the situation with a cool, Canadian eye. Anger at the U.S. War in Iraq is widespread outside the U.S.A. After several years it’s even breaking through the concrete-thick wall of indoctrination in the U.S.A. The Bush administration is uneasy. U.S. boys and girls are being killed and maimed in Iraq. U.S. folks don’t like that. If U.S. military dissidents have fairly large vision and are human beings of worth, they will want (a) the Iraq War to stop, and (b) Iraq people to be freed from the on-going slaughter caused largely by the U.S.A. and its helpers. Can those things be made to happen by running away? By running away to Canada? No. They cannot be. The way for those dissident men and women to influence policy in the U.S.A. is to stay there, fight against the war publicly, fight against being ordered to go, and then going to jail as a protest. In jail, they will cost the U.S. money. They will be an embarrassment to government. They will spur on resistance to the war. They will be a continuing thorn in the side of the Bush administration. Even though doing that is not in the great U.S. tradition, they should do it. If they come to Canada, the Bush people can forget they exist – just what the Bush people want. If the moral question made us believe that taking the U.S. military dissidents to our bosoms in Canada would do the most to free the world of the ugly, vicious, illegitimate, criminal activity called the War in Iraq, then that is what we should do. But the moral question answered honestly and directly says something quite different. It says U.S. military dissidents should stay in the U.S. and fight peacefully with everything they have. That’s why this column is entitled: “Yankee Stay Home”.

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  1. Thu Jul 28, 2005 3:26 am
    "They are ordinary U.S. males of a youngish age. That means they have been well indoctrinated with U.S. values and ideas. They will be, mostly, U.S. liberal, anarchist individualists."

    This is what the gasbag's real problem with US draft dodgers is - that they constitute an ideological pollutant, a threat to statist authoritarian collectivists like himself.

    If it were Latin American revolutionaries escaping the oppression of some right-wing junta, I'm sure Robin would have no problem opening up the doors. But because we're talking about (gasp!) Americans - people who despite their quarrel with Bush might still hold Thomas Jefferson in higher esteem that Che Guevara, we're supposed to slam the door and turn the deadbolt.

    So never mind this moral duty to do jailtime nonsense. This is about Robin's war against people who see themselves as more than just drones in the hive.

  2. Thu Jul 28, 2005 4:39 am
    <p> Robin, if the US executed deserters, or perhaps blinded them, would you still say that it was their moral duty to stay and fight? <p> Where is the line between a principled moral stance, and martyrdom? <p> If fighting US policies requries martyrdom, is this what they should do? Is martyrdom required of an invidual in this situation? <p> Going to a US jail borders on martyrdom. Read this <a href="http://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/prison/">report</a> on US prisons from Human Rights Watch (summarized <a href="http://www.simonpole.ca/node/144">here</a>). A good percentage of jailed deserters would probably end up with AIDs because of rape. The odds are good they will have to have unwanted sex pretty much every day if they don't want to be murdered. </p><p>---<br>If you don't like these ideas, I've got others. --Marshall McLuhan

  3. Thu Jul 28, 2005 5:50 am
    I could be wrong here but if Robin said 'Icecream', I'll bet he would get an argument?

    The jails these people would be serving time in, are military prisons, and you aren't suggested they would rape their own in a military prison, are you?

    I think Robin has a valid point, I do support the deserters, and I think perhaps we could do something like allow them to come to Canada, but perhaps make it a public invitation, a public declaration, a very public statment, in order to offer them protection, make the point to the people of the World and allow these people an opportunity to speak.

    I agree that if it has no impact on the Bush admin they will ignore them, and the people of their homeland won't know what or why they are objecting to. Surely with the millions of American people available to offer protection, and rally behind their military, they would come to the aid of their soldiers? No. Are they only heroes when they are dead, do their voices only have impact if they are saying goodbye to the homeland, to bomb and dismember over -there?

    What about all those body bags, nobody sees them either? I wonder why? I see Robin's point if we allow them into Canada, and they basicly disappear into a new life, nobody will ever hear their voices. On the other hand I also feel compassion for them. Difficult issue, and I am glad Robin has the guts to write about it.

    I think this story is excellent Robin, and I also think there are many elements to it, but I think the main problem is that too many people have their eyes closed, and either refuse to hear the message of the people involved or just can't accept that the U.S. made another mistake, which involved the lose of innocent lives, many their own soldiers.


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    If I stand for my country today...will my country be here to stand for me tomorrow?

  4. Thu Jul 28, 2005 9:31 am
    Good point Whelan. I just did a quick Google search, and it looks like it would be a military prison.

    There are actually some soldiers who are staying in the US and going to trial. One of them was Camilo Mejia.

    I agree with Robin's overall point, about the necessity of fighting inside the culture you are a part of.

    I'm of two minds about his argument that the Americans bring with them a kind of individualism that is foreign to Canada. On the hand, this is probably true. Take for example, right-wing National Post columnist Diane Francis. She came to Canada with her husband during the Vietnam War. Now she wants to dismantle Canada's social programs.

    On the other hand, many of the draft dodgers enriched the country. We have one of them running for mayor in Vancouver this year named Jim Green.

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    If you don't like these ideas, I've got others. --Marshall McLuhan

  5. Thu Jul 28, 2005 2:47 pm
    Robin makes some good points, I suspect most of us would "run & hide" if faced with the choice of leaving our families to fight an "illegal & immoral" war or go to jail. It perhaps highlights the bravery and commitment of those that do stay and try to stay out of jail by "legal" means. Im convinced there are quite a number of these but not surprizingly we hear very little about them.

    "What we have to record is that so-called depleted uranium was used because it punches holes in thick metal."

    Can someone expand upon this? I must assume that this is used in some kind of weaponry but was unaware of it previously.

  6. Thu Jul 28, 2005 3:35 pm
    The problem here is that the author is attempting to make moral decisions for others, which is about the most 'immoral' thing a person can do.
    The obvious question is whether this is all hypothetical or made to reinforce national policy. It is one thing to say to somebody, "here's how you should go about rebelling"-nobody need pay attention to individual's making such claims, and most people recognize such individuals as deeply hypocritical. If you feel that strongly that you would put someone's life at risk-hop on a bus and do it yourself.

    There is always the specious mention in there to protect one's own view, so we see "maybe we should admit Iraqis orphans". There is no moral question there, if you saw parents killed in front of your house and a child sitting there screaming, perhaps wounded, with no support, you'd have a hard time sitting in your house arguing that the moral thing would be to do nothing-so that isn't even a moral question.

    Clearly also we are having a complete relapse in memory, when Kennedy attacked South Vietnam it was a clear case of aggression, you'd have to be even number to think that the Vietnamese had anything that would send a 'mushroom cloud' over the states and there wasn't a single protest. Likewise in the only clear case we have of international terrorism the US was found guilty in it's bombing of Nicaragua, yet people weren't making such arguments then.

    The main point, however, is that you can't make moral arguments for somebody else. You can make them, but once you FORCE them on a person then all claims to morality are gone, that's pretty introductory. The claim is ALWAYS resorted to that it contributes to 'the greater good', which is conveniently the exact same argument that the military imperialists give in bombing the hell out of countries. So today you can go to South Vietnam to a McDonalds, because virtually everybody who wanted a different system of governance is now dead.

    There are also immigration rules which are clear. One of the main functions in our immigration system is granting hospitality to those who will be imprisoned or tortured at home. That is a question for such courts, and we can debate whether it is effective or non effective when such things occur. The basic argument here though is that no such trial be held, the current government position of compliance in sending troops back is in fact the moral one. This is pretty specious arguing, clearly we have little idea what could happen to such a person, we on the 'left' access information daily about the devastating effects of this war, not just on Iraqi's, but on soldiers themselves, and on civilian dissidents. The US now has concentration camps with no human rights, and we know them to be complicit with the most murderous thug dictators in the world. So it's laughable to think that 'no real harm' would come to them, or that somehow they wouldn't be taking much of a risk in being imprisoned at home. Most US policies in fact are extremely hazardous to its own population.

    It also misses the central point in ethics, which is look at your own eye before worrying about somebody elses. There is virtually no conversation going on about canadian soldiers and their rights. They would be equally justified in going to the US or France or wherever to avoid their military service. In Canada this is not even discussed. Canadian soldiers are equally guilty of war crimes. Bosnia was not a UN mission, it was NATO agression, likewise Afghanistan was attacked before UN approval was given, then it was tacitly given once it was understood that it was taking place anyway and that the US had a large level of international support after 9/11 and nobody was defending Afghanistan. Canadians were also involved in Iraq and now involved in massacres in Haiti.

    This, they say, is one of the most hypocritical of acts, ignoring one's own complicity while reflecting on anothers. As I said, it is one thing to simply reflect on it, it is another to espouse it in suppport of national policy. Of course it's a free country, just don't be surprised when americans dismiss it as the petty ramblings of canadians who just aren't as successful at pillaging as they are. If you want to set a moral example-set it- don't demand others do it for you.

  7. Thu Jul 28, 2005 4:56 pm
    "The main point, however, is that you can't make moral arguments for somebody else. You can make them, but once you FORCE them on a person then all claims to morality are gone, that's pretty introductory. The claim is ALWAYS resorted to that it contributes to 'the greater good', which is conveniently the exact same argument that the military imperialists give in bombing the hell out of countries."

    The reality of our world isn't packaged into neat black and white type on papers that always find an appropriate pigeonhole. Do you really think it is such a simple matter?

  8. Thu Jul 28, 2005 7:46 pm
    You know, this issue reminds me a lot of an article I wrote for Canadian Dimension on queer critiques of gay marriage. Many queer theorists, and GBLT people themselves, remain critical of the institution of marriage as supporting capitalism, affecting women's rights, and excluding anyone who doesn't fit into its heteronormative structure (such as for eg many straight people like single unmarried moms). These theorists and radicals hesitate to criticize the individual choice of GBLT couples to get married, AND support making gay marriage legal, but want to expand the debate to include queer critiques of marriage in general, because even if the Christian right opposes gay marriage it is still far more traditional and comfortable and possibly less radical than other forms of creating familes and extended circles of kinship. So far the debate has focused only on whether or not to allow gay couples to get married, not whether marriage itself is flawed.<br />
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    This issue is similar to me. Robin doesn't (directly) address the actual legal issue of admitting or not admitting these soldiers, and focuses on a larger critique of protest methods and keeping the highlight on the actual issues around the war. I think the sensible course here is that the Canadian government SHOULD recognize the persecution and jail that deserting/CO soldiers face in the U.S. and allow them to come to Canada if THEY so choose, as Trudeau did (just as I think we should allow gay marriage). I don't think we have a right to make the choice for them, or to criticize individual choices. But at the same time I also think we need to expand the debate here and in the U.S. ("we" meaning people who oppose the war, and resisters themselves), and recognize BOTH the people leaving in protest AND those staying to face jail and fight within the U.S. a la say, Nelson Mandela and others, AND recognize how difficult it is for many Iraqis to face what they're facing and ensure Iraqi refugees can get into Canada rather than hitting a wall of racial profiling, AND keep the debate on the larger issues of the war and how to change the course the US is taking. <br />
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    Seems like a good middle path to me (although others may disagree) and way to maintain a very progressive outlook, recognize the individual decisions of some, but keep an emphasis on the larger public good here in Canada and the U.S. as well.<br />
    <br />
    Re depleted uranium weapons, sepleted uranium is what is left over when most of the highly radioactive types (isotopes) of uranium are removed for use as nuclear fuel or nuclear weapons. It is still slightly radioactive. It is also a heavy metal. Depleted uranium is used in many US weapons to penetrate heavy armour, AS armour, and also in civilian uses like as stabilizer in boats. It was used in the first Gulf War as well. Some people believe it is the cause of birth defects in the kids of US soldiers who served there and one of the causes of Gulf War Syndrome. Other people believe it has very little effect on people and the environment (although others claim this is similar to the denial of the effects of Agent Orange etc in the past). You can google it and finds lots of info.<br />
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    See for a start:<br />
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    CBC: <br />
    <a href="http://www.tv.cbc.ca/national/pgminfo/du/">http://www.tv.cbc.ca/national/pgminfo/du/</a><br />
    WHO (World Health Organization): <a href="http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs257/en/">http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs257/en/</a><br />
    BBC News: <a href="http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs257/en/">http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs257/en/</a><br />
    Depleted Uranium (Gulf link):<br />
    <a href="http://www.gulflink.osd.mil/faq_17apr.htm">http://www.gulflink.osd.mil/faq_17apr.htm</a><br />
    Depleted Uranium Watch:<br />
    <a href="http://www.stopnato.org.uk/du-watch/">http://www.stopnato.org.uk/du-watch/</a><br />
    Campaign Against Depleted Uranium:<br />
    <a href="http://www.cadu.org.uk/">http://www.cadu.org.uk/</a><br />
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    <br />
    <p>---<br>"When I told him about class warfare, he asked if we did it in JellO."--translation/paraphrase, The Candidate, CBC<br />

  9. Thu Jul 28, 2005 10:13 pm
    The reality of our world isn't packaged into neat black and white type on papers that always find an appropriate pigeonhole. Do you really think it is such a simple matter?


    I have no idea what that means. As far as simplicity goes, moral questions usually are very simply answered, however, the implication of the decision can be any number of things.

    The title "Yankee stay home" is clearly meant to reinforce the Liberal government and it's assertion that ex pats will be sent home, so this isn't hypothetical. One above post seems to be an apologist trying to maintain that the author says one thing but means another. It's very true that we can claim to americans "you should stay home and go to jail and set an example" or some such thing, but under the current circumstances since our government is deporting such soldiers, then it merely rings as an apologist for what most here have asserted is the immoral policy. If we WERE providing sanctuary then perhaps we could have the discussion of what those people should do, and more appropriately, include them in it. As it is, it's just a way of justifying our government's immoral acts, which quite rightly few people pay attention to, just as most of the world outside the US doesn't pay much attention to the Fox rantings doing the screaming for the white house.

  10. Sat Jul 30, 2005 5:46 pm
    "I'm of two minds about his argument that the Americans bring with them a kind of individualism that is foreign to Canada."

    Liberal individualism is *not* foreign to Canada! It is merely a minority viewpoint. What is it about Canadians that makes us value diversity in pretty much everything but thought?

    As it stands, the collectivist/statist worldview still predominates in Canada. But we've come a long way in terms of the ideas we have embraced since the 60's and 70's. Nowadays, when Canadian politicians want to throw money around to buy votes, grease their friends and control our thoughts and beliefs, they are constrained by the public's desire for balanced budgets and fiscal responsibility. Canadians wouldn't put up with a Trudeau today, despite their obvious nostalgia around the man.

    So Canada today *is* more individualistic and free market in its orientation than at any other point in its history. In comparison to the Americans, we're still left-wing as all hell, but that's only because they've moved to the right as well.

    Liberal individualism is not a disease that Canadians need to shield themselves against. It is a legitimate political viewpoint. Whatever the valid reasons for letting in or barring entrance to American deserters, it is not appropriate to bring their political beliefs into the decision-making process.

    And I would say the same thing if we were talking about communists seeking refuge from a tyrannical right-wing regime. Diversity in ideas is just as important as that in race, religion or culture.



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