Free Trade And An Emerging Revolutionary Planet

Posted on Saturday, October 08 at 12:10 by Robin Mathews
In order to keep the flow of wealth coming, imperial powers preach the Grand Fraud: Free Trade. “Free Trade,” they say, “benefits everyone. Let us have a treaty. You give us your goods without tariff and we will give you our goods without tariff. Everyone wins.” Except, say, when Canada has better wood and more of it, the U.S. says: “the Free Trade Treaty isn’t really a treaty; it’s a sort of loose understanding. All we need to do is negotiate away Canadian forest rights and then we can call the treaty a treaty again. In the meantime we will illegally collect five billion dollars in tariffs.” Some countries say, “We are small and we don’t have a range of goods to trade. So it won’t work. You have twenty things to sell us. We have only one thing to sell you, say sugar, or cocoa.” That problem is especially painful when the small country has too few minerals to industrialize and can only survive - outside a simple but often workable small economy – by trading one thing only for twenty kinds of things from outside. “Oh,” says the imperialist country, “you must practice the iron law of ‘comparative advantage’ and we will benefit equally.” “What is that?” the smaller, weaker country asks. “All countries do something well and efficiently, or can. If you only do well and efficiently one thing [which usually means something cheap we want for our country], then you can become a one-product producer”. “Is that safe?” the smaller, weaker country asks. “Why shouldn’t it be safe?” “Well,” says the smaller, weaker country, “ to make an export market for the one product, we have to erase some others which have kept our inner economy balanced. That means if you don’t buy our one product, we fall into recession, unemployment, and chaos.” “But that would never happen,” the imperialist country replies. “Rest assured.” “You destroyed a government you didn’t like in Ghana by cutting off the cocoa market. You did everything you could to destroy the Cuban government by destroying the sugar market. You have created one product countries in Central America that have become so corrupt and so despotic they give the world the name “banana republics” to mean ugly, repressive, cruel, poverty stricken, and corrupt.” In addition, you destroy countries that simply want to have a slightly different system than yours, as you destroyed Chile when it decided to nationalize copper owned by U.S. interests. The imperialist country is silent for a few minutes, thoughtful. Then it says: “You must have been listening to Communists, Marxist rebels, Islamic terrorists, or envious people who don’t understand what the idea of freely exchanged goods means”. “Okay,” says the smaller, weaker country. “So I only grow olives for the martinis of your country…” “Well?” “Well, what if your country stops drinking martinis?” “People use olives for everything – for olive oil, to expand the capacity of diesel fuel – everything. Don’t worry.” Put the matter another way. I actually had the conversation I will now recreate with the head man at the Fraser Institute in Vancouver, B.C. when Canada decided to destroy its textiles manufacturing sector to be true to the iron law of comparative advantage. “Let us suppose,” I said to the head of the Fraser Institute, “that 200,000 people live directly and indirectly from the Canadian textiles trade. And let us suppose the Canadian government puts a tariff on foreign textiles to protect the Canadian operation, maybe even adding a little subsidy to help it flourish.” “Yes”, said Michael Walker, head of the Fraser Institute. “Then you collapse that Canadian system on behalf of near slave economy textile products from elsewhere. 200,000 Canadians lose their employment. You wreck their communities as well. You put most of them on some kind of government assistance, maybe for a long time at great expense – so that wealthy owners of near-slave trade textile production can sell into Canada.” “Yes,” said Michael Walker of the Fraser Institute. “Where’s the advantage of that?” I asked. “You see,” he said, “Canadians can buy cheaper textiles. That’s good for the world economy. The people who lose their jobs go on some kind of public assistance until they’re retrained and re-employed.” “At what?” I asked. “I don’t know,” he said. That was the end of our conversation. So insane is the propaganda for Free Trade and the make-believe law of “comparative advantage” that ninety-six percent of academic economists in Canada believe in it. A hundred percent of Canadian government economists and one hundred and one percent of economists in the Fraser Institute and the C.D. Howe Institute, the Canadian banks, the World Bank, the U.S. government, the World Trade Organization, and the International Monetary Fund believe in it. In addition they believe in the totally asinine law of comparative advantage used to support the fraudulent concept of Free Trade which they believe in with the blind enthusiasm of religious zealots. That is why many parts of the planet are moving, now, into revolutionary postures. They know (A) Free Trade is a big swindle, guaranteeing poverty and suffering. (B) Comparative Advantage is a lie. Period. (C) Wealthy capitalists have used the two together as a way of getting a large part of the world’s population into near slavery. (D) The only way out of this destructive entanglement is to fight a way out. Trade agreements that construct really “fair trade” advantages mutually enjoyed by nations are completely different than the slash-and-burn “Free Trade” agreements which, in effect, are no such thing. The lies offered as the truth have long standing in Canada. I remember being on a national TV show thirty-five years ago fighting to get Canadians hired, Canadian materials used, and Canadian texts written for Canadian education. Debating against me was Jack Saywell, Dean of Arts at York University, Toronto. He argued that the economics textbook by economist Paul Samuelson used very widely had been “re-written” by a Canadian to suit Canada’s needs. Samuelson was one of those internationally revered economists who, in fact, provided support for the U.S. imperial push for Free Trade and for the operation of “comparative advantage”. As a matter of fact, his text hadn’t been re-written, but that’s another matter. The point is that Samuelson’s text ruled in a very large proportion of North American universities, as did his loudly preached ideas on trade. Now, in his nineties, Paul Samuelson has seen the light – or at least he’s seen a glimmer of light. He hasn’t seen that the imperial economics of Free Trade is a sham created to further the ambitions of his country, the U.S.A., though he realizes it isn’t what he thought it was. And he’s discovered something that’s always been plain – as plain as it was when (and long, long before) I had my conversation with Michael Walker, head of the Fraser Institute. What he has discovered probably shows that imperial powers don’t raise “experts” to top rating for their intelligence, but because they’re dumb enough or hypnotized enough to say anything that passes for conventional wisdom in their country. Paul Samuelson awakened one morning in his nineties to discover that when the U.S. finds it “comparatively advantageous” to make shoes and trousers (for instance) by a U.S. company paying workers 35 cents an hour in a near-slave economy, then selling those products at several hundred percent profit for their owners, the people who lost their shoe and trouser manufacturing jobs in “the developed U.S.A.” are not better off, and, in fact, in some cases are in very bad condition, indeed. Sasmuelson doesn’t attack the whole system that produces those results. He simply says the U.S. workers should be looked after. A person has to admit that Paul Samuelson must have an IQ over 85 to have worked that much out. Maybe he is maturing in his nineties. Samuelson had another insight – a bolt of lightning striking his nonagenarian brain. “Eureka”, he said. And then he said something like: “I have just discovered that the people who - all through history – have pushed for Free Trade haven’t done it so that everyone will benefit. They have done it to gain power, to be top dog, to exploit the weak.” It is always chastening to see a colonial country like Canada full of people who throw themselves at the feet of imperial hucksters like Samuelson, and then have to face the hucksters, in their nineties, recanting the propaganda they pushed for their imperial country. Free Trade is a suckers’ game. Canadian government, Canadian corporation owners, Canadian economists and lawyers love it. At the last breakdown of the Softwood Lumber NAFTA hearings, one of the lawyers for Canada didn’t say, “Enough!” He said something like “Free Trade is great; we need to go on negotiating”. That’s a way of saying “a lot of us are getting rich on it. Who cares if it’s a sham”. Ordinary Canadians care. Canadian working people care. Canadians who want an independent country care. Canadians who want our raw materials used well and economically care. Canadians who don’t want the Canadian environment destroyed care. The more those Canadians discover the fraud perpetrated upon them by the Free Trade world, the more they will know (A) Free Trade is a swindle. (B) Comparative Advantage is a lie. Period. (C) Wealthy capitalists have used the two together as a way of grabbing most of Canada’s wealth. (D) They have been supported by the likes of Ralph Klein, Gordon Campbell, Paul Martin, and the hopeless reactionary foursome: Stephen Harper, Stockwell Day, Peter MacKay, and Preston Manning. Knowing all those things, Canadians will come to know (as more and more people are coming to know all over the planet) that the only way out of the increasing impoverishment of national and personal life brought on by the hocus-pocus of sell-out capitalist economists is to fight a way out. The fraud of Free Trade is creating a global revolutionary movement. That is a fact to ponder upon.

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  1. Sat Oct 08, 2005 7:33 pm
    Freetrade is the act of putting all of ones eggs in a basket and only allowing one consumer. The consumer in return, allows no other vendor.

  2. Sat Oct 08, 2005 9:02 pm
    > Canada has better wood and more of it

    Better? No.

    More? Yes. Hell, that's all most of the wooded swamp that composes Canada is able to grow - scraggly black spruce. Makes paper-pulp, and small-dimensional sawtimber, if it's not too knotty.

    Remember, the original point of the "softwood trade disagreement" was that canadian harvesting operations are subsidise by harvesting from Government ("Crown") lands.
    Also, these subsidized harvests are done with methods that are illegal in the USA. Those points are still true.

    End NAFTA! Stop the rape of Canadian forests!

    Canadians are so stuck on stupid, they can't see the real problems.

  3. by avatar Milton
    Sat Oct 08, 2005 10:34 pm
    No, those points are not true anonymous, I would explain why but you don't listen anyway, so why should I point out to you that Canada won its appeals and the ruling was that there was no subsidization. You make some interesting points here Robin, way to go!

  4. Sat Oct 08, 2005 10:47 pm
    Stuck on stupid or crazy belief system?
    Perhaps! It is though, an ‘indoctrinated stupid’ borne through generations of a system wrongly known as education and became the crazy belief system of almost of all of those subjugated to it.
    What exactly is the point of wrongly laying responsibility of ‘stupid’ at the feet of the indoctrinated?
    I cannot claim ownership of the following words. I can though, and with integrity, tell you the thoughts expressed by those words have bee mine for decades.

    "One major problem in the world today, and this applies especially to "educated" people, is that they are not really very smart. Actually "smart" is not the right word. What I am trying to say is that they are not very perceptive and suffer from a marked inability to look and see things as they actually are. The reason for this is that they are the most familiar with the ideas and notions of the times, having been thoroughly "educated" into these notions and ideas. This "education" (indoctrination) generally acts to create a set of cultural or "professional" blinders which prevents the "educated" person from viewing or understanding anything outside of the current "professional" framework that they have been indoctrinated into. It's not that they lack and need more knowledge, but that the knowledge that they do have, in itself, acts to prevent them from being able to view and understand anything outside their often limited framework of beliefs and attitudes - a framework that they assume to be be all-inclusive and often quite perfect. The rest of the culture goes along with everything they promote as "facts" and "truth", because these viewpoints and attitudes tend to be everywhere - newspapers, magazines, TV, schools and colleges.
    I will make a small digression here because this is paramount to a better understanding of what is going on in today's world. Most major subjects or fields today do not involve the creation of any positive thing, but almost always attack, destroy, annihilate or inhibit negative things as solutions to their respective problems. This is a key and basic tendency applied in almost all areas of modern activity. It is also a key tendency throughout human history. It is a basic, largely unconscious, approach most people and groups use to address "problems" today. A few examples are:
    Governments largely do not concern themselves with creating or building an honest, productive workable society, but instead they concern themselves with attacking crime, handling dissidents, catching tax evaders, or inhibiting disorder. This is their usual solution to bringing about peace and order (both dumb goals in themselves but typical for the modern social planners). It generally involves stopping bad things from occurring instead of encouraging good things to exist. This mindset falsely imagines that if one were to take away all the bad, then good would naturally be left. This isn't the way it is and it never will be that way. The only good and decent things that exist anywhere exist only because somebody at some time actively created these things.
    The military is always used to stop, control or destroy enemies. How any military functions is the epitome of this tendency. Police, as an activity that concentrates also on stopping or eradicating what it perceives to be bad or unwanted, also functions primarily in this way.
    A capable government, with decency, understanding and an ability to communicate honesty (which doesn't exist anywhere on Earth now), would discuss problems with it's neighbors, with a desire to isolate true sources of their conflicts. Then they would address the actual sources and resolve the true underlying causes of their conflicts. Obviously, this is an oversimplification, but the point is that attacking of the negative or suppressing the undesirable is the common modern (and historical) approach to handling international, national, social and individual problems. The aim is almost never to create a desirable condition, but to eradicate an unwanted one. It is assumed that removing the negative somehow brings about the positive. But this isn't so. The positive must be created. This one-sided approach of attacking the negative has it's flaws, and a general unworkability. Destroying and creating are two entirely different things, in theory, in practice, and in results achieved. Removing immorality doesn't result in morality. Suppressing crime doesn't create a safe society. Removing illness does not necessarily bring about health. Penalizing lack of responsibility doesn't bring about responsibility. All good things must be created as a positive, and not only attacked as a negative.
    But with governments there is also another problem. They often do not want anyone knowing what their true motives are and so are incapable of entering into honest discussions about actual causes. The US government talks endlessly about "spreading democracy", when in fact, the only thing spreading are the major corporations which control the US government. It is impossible for them to enter into honest discussions, because they promote the notion of "democracy" as a cover for their true underlying motives. These true motives are the consolidation and expansion of control by the top major financial powers on the planet.
    Modern behavior modification techniques exhibit this. The theories and methods aim primarily to spot, name and eradicate unwanted behaviors. Again, any actual sources to the undesirable behavior are largely ignored or invented, and the symptoms (behaviors) are addressed with an aim to get rid of them. As an example Ritalin is given to suppress the hyperactive child's unwanted behaviors, instead of attempting to locate underlying physical or emotional sources that, if corrected, could often handle the unwanted behaviors by allowing the natural health and natural desirable behaviors to surface. Factually, many hyperactive symptoms have disappeared in children when their diet or environment has been altered, thereby removing sugar, allergens or chemical toxins.

    As an historical example, take the Spanish Inquisition. The Priests and Church wanted "holiness" and "Godliness" to reign throughout the land. Instead of creating it through communication and understanding, they instead concentrated upon the deviations from "holiness", and attacked heresy through extensive arrests, tribunals, court trials, torture and even public murder (burning at the stake, etc.). Of course, it's quite impossible to educate sane and observant people into a crazy belief system, and the only available avenue is oppression and force. There are many similar examples throughout history. Nazi Germany, following popular genetic theories, attempted to perfect Man and bring about the "Ubermensch" (Nietzche's "superman") by sterilizing people with low IQs, and eradicating "poor human stock". Again, they didn't try to locate the positive of what makes Man great, and build upon it, but instead tried to destroy what they imagined inhibited man's greatness. They basically assumed that if all the bad human traits were removed, then only the good traits would be left. What they completely missed is that the good always must be actively created. They basically had a noble idea with a brutally evil means toward reaching their conceived end.
    The above examples are actually all cases of applying force against something with the aim to get rid of it. The attitude is one of stomping things out of existence. Sadly, this is the status quo approach on Earth for handling just about anything. This is always less effective and produces less lasting results than the opposite approach - creating or building something positive. Later, more will be said about the use of force to suppress things, and why it occurs.
    The above examples exhibit a few of the many ways that Man and his institutions have tended to attack the negative instead of encouraging and bringing about the positive. Part of the problem here is that things are generally attacked that are viewed as or agreed to be bad, harmful or evil. Too often the things in themselves are not anything really, and the problem is that certain people fixate on these things to the neglect of creating and maintaining positive things. Numerous examples can be found in personal relationships involving family, sexuality, jobs and friendship. People chronically point out, criticize and attack what someone does wrong, and too often do little to actually help or bring about the positive condition they seem to insinuate they desire in the other(s). Mommy yells at little Billy for touching things in the store, yet fails to sensibly communicate to him why he should not touch things that are not his own. The husband yells at and beats his wife when caught cheating with a neighbor instead of discussing the problems they each have, how to handle these, and both working towards and becoming people capable of creating a worthwhile relationship and family.
    Nothing exists if it is not positively created. Knocking down or destroying unwanted things does not result in the positive thing desired.
    This tendency to destroy, as some sort of universal solution to any and all problems, exists in most areas of human involvement. It is largely unsuccessful, produces unanticipated results, and most often ends in failure or worsened situations. Many more examples, in the past and present, can be easily discovered by any observant person. They are everywhere in abundance."


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    I don't make jokes. I just watch the governmen

  5. by avatar Spud
    Sun Oct 09, 2005 12:56 am
    Great post Robin!
    Diogenes you are a FU*&king genious!Well said.
    How many will read it and see the LIGHT?
    Great stuff.

  6. by Patm
    Sun Oct 09, 2005 1:28 am
    Call me a ditto head 'cause I'm dittoing Spud's comment!

  7. Sun Oct 09, 2005 4:08 am
    We live in a society where you don't roll p your sleeves and do the job but instead hire others to do it. We don't prevent what's brewing in our own home but demand an "authority" to do it. Don't speak to the neigbours and expect the teacher to give the kid morals. Take all you can and don't fret about sharing. You can turn a negative to a positive but your right, positive isn't automatic.

    Kids were caught stealing liquor from a warehouse. They consumed some and sold the rest to others in their school. The parents were irate that the school allowed their kids in while impaired. They felt they should not have to have been embarassed that way.

    Responsibility is being shirked and passed to others. We are all guilty.

  8. Sun Oct 09, 2005 4:29 am
    It's the concept of "free" without responsibility that creates the problem. There's a famous author that once said he was amazed that the Statue of Liberty was accompanied by a "Statue of Responsibility". Can anyone think of his name?

    Free enterprise, and the inspiration it gives to people is a driving force that needs to be effectively harnessed. I think we all believe in the concept of freedom. But what escapes many people is that freedom works within a system of government that effectively manages that freedom.

    Reckless and greedy enterprises become predators within the free enterprise system unless there is an effective "feedback loop" between business and the final user. It is the concept of quality that maintains that business must provide a quality product, that is of specific benefit to the user, and which must be constantly analyzed to improved processes and efficiencies. Ideally, both business and consumer contribute to create an atmosphere in which there is greater awareness of what quality products are of benefit.

    Without the concept of overall quality in products and services, free enterprise becomes a cheap exploitative marketplace, with inherent inefficiencies, ultimately favoring those that statistically benefit from the exploitation.

    As you effectively point out, this degrades into a system in which favors the rich. It is a dysfunctional environment in which concentration is on "take the money and run" instead of creating a quality product which benefits the consumer.

    The solution to the problem is multifaceted. One important part is public education and awareness concerning what quality products and services are of benefit to society. This overall awareness spurs the free enterprise system to provide those quality products and services. Possibly the most important part is a government which seemlessly promotes quality products for the benefit of the nation, constantly in tune with the public and its well being, and cautious of those businesses that might become inefficient predators.

  9. Sun Oct 09, 2005 2:35 pm
    So how exactly is the US collecting taxes on softwood lumber free trade? Two things are getting mixed up here, imperialism and free trade. If trade is free then there is no 'one country' dictating ANYTHING to another. The market does it all. If we don't HAVE free trade, then don't BLAME free trade. However, if we are going to be true capitalists, meaning structuring our society by order of capital, as Adam Smith suggested (and it was just a suggestion), then we have to remember the one BIG caveat in Smith's thesis, which is that market equality can only exist with individual equality. Unless man is 'equal and free' then markets cannot function, that is the 'invisible hand' of the marketplace.

    So let's not get suckered into thinking that politician's version of free trade is actually that, just like Ontario's "Tenant Protection Act" sure as hell ain't a tenant protection act. Slave labour is a SUBSIDY, low taxes are a SUBSIDY, forcing people off their land and taking it is a SUBSIDY. It is also imperialism.

    However, to also bring this home, this is not a new thing, it's been around long before the Free Trade Act. What do you think the maritimes and prairie provinces have been complaining about for over a hundred years? Do you think it's a coincidence that financial institutions like insurance and banks have protection while lumber, wheat, and fisheries are all traded on the open market? Or that billion dollar buyouts of the automotive sector isn't a subsidy, but letting rural communities whither away is just the 'normal function of the economy'? Or that one quarter of all canadians having one or more vacation homes while tenants STILL can't get the courts to recognize international human rights of property and 60,000 residents in Toronto were evicted for owing one month's rent (actually, with first and last month's rent collected initially, these people were actually evicted with landlord's OWING them money).

    Imperialism is imperialism, don't bring economics into it, and don't think Canada isn't guilty of it as well. If the trade isn't free-it isn't free trade.

  10. by avatar Milton
    Sun Oct 09, 2005 9:23 pm
    Good comments Diogenes and Anon @Oct 9, 7:35 am mdt. I think self education should be substituted for public education because I think the school system produces more waste than anything else (which is what you would expect from a machine modeled homogenization system that excuses its failures by proclaiming that its clients are dysfunctional). "Those not busy being born are busy dying". If you were to learn that all you had thought heretofore was wrong you might think that you had suffered a great loss, but you have actually increased your store of knowledge. How do I know what I know? This is a question that needs to constantly be re-answered. We learn, for the most part, by trial and error. If you don't review your trials you have less of a chance of discovering errors and even less of a chance of getting the next trial right. "The map is not the territory and saying it is so does not make it so".

  11. Sun Oct 09, 2005 10:05 pm
    <p>wadestock,</p> <blockquote>There’s a famous author that once said he was amazed that the Statue of Liberty was accompanied by a “Statue of Responsibility”. Can anyone think of his name?</blockquote> <p>I couldn’t, but a quick Web search revealed the name of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Frankl">Dr. Viktor Frankl</a>, who said that</p> <blockquote>Freedom is not the last word. Freedom is only part of the story and half of the truth. The positive aspect of freedom is responsibility. That is why I recommend that the Statue of Liberty on the East Coast be supplemented by a Statue of Responsibility on the West Coast.</blockquote> <p>There is a <a href="http://www.statueofresponsibility.com/">Statue of Responsibility Foundation</a> that is intent on building the statue on an island in a West Coast harbour, the statue being comparable in size to the Statue of Liberty, by 4th July 2010.</p><p>---<br>Shatter your ideals upon the rock of Truth.<br />
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    — The Divine Symphony, by Inayat Khan<br />

  12. Sun Oct 09, 2005 11:55 pm
    Free Trade is something like this "MODERN FREE MARKET SYSTEM" we live under today in Canada.

    Here in Nova Scotia if your a big food chain , big box store and have convinced the "government" to put in place legislation that forces the little mom & Pop family business to close down, then this is consider to be a free market system . ( Some Free Market )

    Just one example that come to mind is Peninsula Farms, a small Nova Scotia Yogurt family run business, the big boys lobbied the federal government to change the rules and put the screws to this little guy.

    Anyone who tries to compete will usually find that big business has greased the hand of the elected or the "government " bureaucrat well enough , that you can bet the legislation will change just enough and you will forced out of business tomorrow. This is pretty much how FREE TRADE works too. I can think of so many family run farms, that were forced out of business , because the big players lobbied their “government hire hand” to push for changes in the health regulations , which were guaranteed to inflated the operation cost of the little guy to the point where he / she had to closed down their farm… paving the way for the big guy to corner the market.

    No matter where you look the same picture has been painted , only applied to Canadian business , where by other countries are killing Canadian jobs. Volvo left Halifax Nova Scotia for Mexico and we have proof of this taking place in every province in Canada .. Free Trade has weaken our economy to the point “governments “ have had to reach into the citizens pocket to survive , where industry use to help out with taxes , we the citizens are carrying the load .




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  13. Mon Oct 10, 2005 12:46 am
    Excellent discussion going on here! The education system, is one that I have concerns about. Why are so many children on drugs today, is it the environment and/or the situation of overcrowded classrooms that require sedate children in order to maintain control? I think we owe our children an education, but not the one they are getting. We need to teach children the tools to learn, encourage independant thought. Teaching how to think not what to think is paramount. I remember a woman who had a list of rules for her kids, a great number of rules, and if if wasn't on the list the kids didn't know what to do.

    This may be part of the reason that many adults today look for a rule to validate their decision, many look to the Bible, the old testament fits with the eye for an eye ideology, but the new testament supports the new traditional marriage.

    I like the comment that if Free Trade isn't free then don't call it that, and I think we need to start to understand better the propaganda being thrown at us and stop using 'their' words to describe things we know are not descriptive at all. An example is the new 'smart'regulations that create very open regulations to encourage trade but do nothing 'smart' to ensure the products are safe, or that profit is not the primary factor in the decision to give approval. So I choose to call them 'clever' regulations, because that is what they are. Pro-active trade decisions that enable society to benefit are to our advantage and should be sought. Secret trade deals, which benefit a few and punish many are not in our interest.

    We need to start to focus on creating awareness that new policies which force the wealthy to pay their dues to society so that all of society can function at its best, are in the nations best interest. Most people who are categorized as poor, will not say they are poor, they prefer to believe that someday they will be rich. This is the illusion which keeps people voting for the very policies that are keeping a large number of people enslaved.

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  14. Mon Oct 10, 2005 3:42 am
    Diogenes,

    Who wrote that? Thanks for sharing. Totally agree with that article.

    Kevin

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    Acoustic Guitar: This machine will kill facist.- Woody Guthrie



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