Arizona Border Patrol Looks To Canada

<p>That’s the first that I’ve heard of any Minuteman Project interest in Vermont. Every once in a while the local paper reports on smugglers caught with controlled substances — sometimes they walk across, sometimes they ride snowmobiles, and once they flew in by helicopter.</p>

doesn't the majority of smuggling happen in cars anyway?

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Canadians are asking, why do americans hate us? They hate our freedoms: our freedom of religion, our freedom of speech, our freedom to disagree with each other.

<p>I’m not sure. Of course, the paper only reports on smugglers who get caught. (I did forget to note those caught smuggling with road vehicle in my first reply — d’oh!)</p>

Brother Jonathan (please don't think I am being critical), is that legal? Just regular people taking up arms at the border? I understand the point of it, it just seems odd that it is allowed to happen. I can't imagine us being able to do that here (even without guns).


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These days, if you are not confused, you are not thinking clearly. Mrs. Irene Peters

Technically, it is legal here, as well as there. If you do it with the property owners permission, and arrest the tresspasser using a citizen's arrest.

Ignore the weapons, because you *can* carry a weapon on your own property.

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"If you must kill a man, it costs you nothing to be polite about it." Winston Churchill

<p>Dr Caleb is mostly correct. Regular people can keep watch on the border, given the permission of the landowner. The extent of the ability to bear arms depends upon local law or state law (or federal law, if the land is owned by the federal government); some states have greater restrictions than others (e.g. types of arms; whether carried weapons can be concealed; whether the land is privately owned; &c.). As it happens, Vermont has the fewest restrictions of any of the states, despite its generally leftish (on the American scale) policies — this might have had an influence on the Minuteman Project’s expansion choices.</p> <p>The ability to bear arms on one’s own property depends upon local or state law; it isn’t a given everywhere in the USA.</p> <p>Note that the official position of the Minuteman Project is to report illegal crossings to the Border Patrol and then get out of the way, not to interfere, detain, arrest, &c. (Apart from the obvious concern for individual safety, another reason is that the volunteer could be charged with a federal kidnapping offence!)</p> <p>Feel free to be critical if you believe that criticism is warranted. Me, I’m not sure that there will be the level of support here that seems to be the case in Arizona.</p>

Anything that will put a dent in the flow of narcotics is a good thing. Yes, I know there are a million different ways they'll get it in and out, but if it cramps their style a little, I'm happy.


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These days, if you are not confused, you are not thinking clearly. Mrs. Irene Peters

Vermont and Canada are one and the same. Vermont we have already "deeply integrated" into our ranks. Why would we need to sneak into Vermont? Of course there is that Vermont separatist movement. Maybe that's why they don't care so much about protecting Vermont. It's already gone and they're going to concentrate on the real gems that they wouldn't want to lose. From what I've seen of the Mexicans though, they'd be much better off moving all of their border patrol people to the 49th and letting the Mexicans come and go at will. They can be trusted and they are honest, hard workers in comparison. And we all hate them with a passion, so how can we blame them for wanting to protect themselves from us?

<p> <b>Footprints</b>, I find the whole "project" quite scary myself ... <p> <blockquote><i>Christian Science Monitor</i> failed to note Minuteman Project volunteer's white supremacist ties. <a href="http://mediamatters.org/items/200505040001">Link</a></blockquote> <p>

yeah, and with the Canadian Customs & Immigration Officer being busted smuggling over 200 lbs of marijuana into the states yesterday I'm sure it helped ease the minds of everyday American citizens that their border people and our border people are honest, above board, and up to the task of keeping the boundaries of their contry secure from everything from drug runners to terrorists. It's predominantly a cheap labor vs. illegal entry immigrants getting in (and also being supported on American's tax dollars) kind of deal with their Mexican border, but it's much more sinister when it comes to their northern border with Canada. They are aware of our constant, continual, massive importation of and allegiances to peoples from every country they've been at odds with for the last 30 years. With their accomodating way of allowing (formerly) trusted Canadians into their country with merely a driver's licence or Canadian passport/birth certificate/permanent residence card ( for up to 6 months no questions asked), documents which we freely hand out to those very people they do not want entering their country, well, they see where they are most vulnerable. Through us. Their "backdoor". Their enemies use it and we help them use it and Americans are waking up to that fact more and more. They have a right to defend themselves I think. Even if it does cost us a little extra time crossing the border, or slows down the massive traffic of our commercial transport systems shipping in our exports that our entire national economy depends upon. And if they require better documentation for returning Americans, that's also their right. Any country has a right to protect themselves. Even Canada. I doubt very seriously if they would be in the least bit upset if we did the kinds of things they are attempting. None of it hurts the honest citizens of either country. It's the people with alterior motives that it upsets. Like the drug runners. Like the terrorist infiltrators. Like the human trafficers. Like smugglers of any kind. No big deal, eh. We should be doing the same, except that our population being mostly concentrated right on their border (or in very close proximity) so as to milk their economy by exporting our products, and getting tourist income would most likely balk at the idea for economic reasons. We know we have nothing to fear from the American people. We just want their money. We want them to zip right across that border fre and easy, totally unfettered in their access, drop off their money here in Canada and leave muy pronto. The Americans on the other hand, outside of a tiny handful of little "touristy" one horse towns along our border, do not even remotely feel the same. They because of our actions and our vocal hatred do not trust us with their safety, and welfare. SO therefore they are willing to look after their own. Bully for them. I admire self motivated people who DO as opposed to whine, cry, and hand wring when their government doesn't come through for them! We should have such hutzpa! Yes, I know. Not really our way to act, is it? We are much better at whining, wailing, accusing, and screaming. We don't hear much from them. Could it be becasue they are busy doing? While are busy whining? Probably. They are not attacking Canada. They are not harming anyone. They state their policy and purpose is to spot the illegal crossing and relay information of same to the American authorities. Good volunteer work if you ask me. Although their government should be providing the personnel, so they don't have to do what they are. But that's their problem, right? Why would we have a problem with Americans defending America within America on American soil? Maybe we should get our collective noses out of their "you know what's" and worry about ourselves. Anyone hear about the latest from the Gomery Inquiry last night? Where's the posts on that stuff? Oh, well. Diversionary tactics have been known to work for the Liberal/Power Corp. boys before, so why not here and now. After all, "boys will be boys", eh.

In Ottawa, a bow (all, not just crossbows) is considered a "firearm" by law and legal definition. And all the rules and laws that apply to having a "firearm" in one's possession in as well as outside the city limits within the province of Ontario are enforced. One can not simply walk out into one's own backyard, even with all safety precations taken as to target placement, backstops, etcetera and practice shooting target arrows with his/her bow. It used to be know in pre-hysteria Canada as "archery". Bowhunting was another form of it, but flinging a few arrows at target bales with dirt mounds, plywood (or even safer) backstops was known simply as "archery". Historic works of art still being produced to this day by caring Canadian craftsmen and woodworkers...artistry in wood. Functional as well. A part of our heritage, history, and tradion. A simple pursuit that could bring one a small degree of joy. Those days are now long gone. The police state has taken over. Now you can and will be arrested by the current police state for "discharging a firearm" especially if it is within city limits. Forget stump shooting with blunt tipped arrows (even rubber) shot from your old longbow or recurve (however such nice works of artistry in wood they might be) in forest lands too. Like Crown land. It's a criminal offense. "Discharging a firearm within city limits". Even on your very own property. We have become more "progressive" and "enlightened" as our Ottawa inner city, plastic pants set lauds and acclaims. We have all the rest of you "neanderthall, rednecked, cavemen" out there in the rest of Canada (that send in those tax cheques to us) beat, by George. We are "progessive" here in Ottawa. Just FYI.

But maybe we could be allowed to hang out on a rural farm by the U.S. border somewhere, and CARRY a bow and arrow or two just as long as we don't "fire" that wicked combination of modern WMD!!! And if we see an American sneaking across the border, we can point him and his wallet to the nearest Tim Hortons, or Canadian Tire. At arrowpoint if necessary. And keep him under observation until after he has emptied his wallet, and his arms are full of newly acquired Canadian goodies. Then we call in on our secret agent radios to our good Canadian autorities, report the illegal crossing, and see him get arrested. And his newly purchased Canadian "stuff" confiscated! A win, win for ALL of us! And we get to keep his merchandise as well as his money! Score! The Canadian way, eh? But, if lucky we might only more practically be able to admire and caress the beautiful wood grains of our bows made lovingly by our Canadian bowyers, and think back to a time when....*sigh*....before the plastic pants crowd began their reign of terror upon the masses. If only.

This Minuteman initiative (lynch mob) is fueled in part by illegal immigrants entering the USA from Mexico providing the capitalists with their much needed cheap labor. There is demand and so they cross. These rednecks are reactionary activists who will grow tired of seeing "no action" from the Canadian border and head back to Jesus Land as fast as they came.

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Thank you for presenting your thoughts so clearly.

"...because of our actions and our vocal hatred do not trust us with their safety, and welfare..."

Exactly. I wish things were otherwise, but as you note, Americans are very practical people.

When Canadian individuals such as those on this website repeatedly write that they hate my country, and rejoice at attacks on my fellow citizens, I believe them.

Canada, and all Canadians, have thereby become my enemy, until proved otherwise.

So why, you may wonder, would I come and read postings on here? Think of it as the compelling fascination found on watching a trainwreck. Because that is what I really believe Canada is in for- a spectacular fit of self-destruction.

It couldn't happen to a more deserving country.

Sadly, I think you are correct.