Task Force Urges Joint Security Perimeter

Let the Americans close the border; the sooner the better. We'll be living a life of luxury without 'em and they'll be waiting in gas lines ten miles long.

This was the biggest story on the front page of the globe, so they're pushing this.<br />
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"North American economic and security community" = political domination and economic rape by unelected politicians in Washington and Nazis in Texas. Let us not fall for this transparent cover story and instead quit NATO and NAFTA and join the EU.

Let's not be so mean.

Our relationship with the U.S. may be frustrating at times, but closing the border isn't going to help anything. There is a lot of positive energy in the U.S. as well, and focusing on punishing the negative isn't going to help anyone.

Everybody (esp. on the left) complains about how the U.S. "Axis of Evil" policy toward Iran only pushed its moderates and democratic forces towards nationalism and support for the theocracy.

And yet lots of people on this site want to treat the U.S. like that.

You know, there are U.S. printers lobbying as hard in Washington as we are for our softwood, same goes for meat packers and our beef. You're telling them to give up and take their lumps.

Not to mention all the progressive Canadians who run businesses trading with progressive Americans. Or build their business using investment from (gasp!) Americans. Or invest in them in turn. Sorry folks, border's closed.

I guess the 90's are over, all those progressive, global values that were all the rage then have been defeated by a narrow nationalism. Think that way (reactionary) and you've handed it to the Bush crew--at that game, they'll win, more money, guns and resolve.

First of all we can't join the EU. In there constitution only EUROPEAN COUNTRIES can join the EU.

When I read this artical I was like what is wrong with us in Canada that people don't even want to fight this. Why on earth would be want to wipe away our border? So that we can get america's gun culture? What about Quebec. Wouldn't Quebecers love english speaking americans to descend on Quebec and speak no french.

The future Canadian election, the ndp must start running a campaign on keeping Canada independent.

I today have seriously been upset by watching John Manley talk about how this would be good for Canada. It sucks that the corporate elite and capitalists have such control over this country and people like you and me have such a little voice when it comes to defending this country.

I do not want this either.More Nazi BS.
They can`t close the border because of NAFTA.
Of course that won`t stop them,but if they close both borders,how does the oil & gas flow?
Why are they refering to another terrorist attack?Are they planning something?Talk about the iron curtain,sheese.

Can we separate the idea from the timing? Certainly these administrations (ours or theirs) are not the one to negotiate this kind of thing with.

I posted earlier, and I will again. A lot of Canadians depend on access to U.S. markets. Not all are greedy ruthless captialists or would-be expatriates, some are just doing what they think is best for their business. These same Canadians also depend on a strong federal government to step in when sectors of the U.S. economy initiate cynical, protectionist, trade disputes.

The parts of NAFTA everyone dislikes have little to do with free trade and more to do with investment rules and side agreements (say on energy) that have no parity.

Somewhere in the middle we ought to be able to figure out a way to trade freely, and not allow political side issues like BMD to taint the process..

John Manley is really out of touch with the mass of Canadians. The whole idea of North American integration is ridiculous because no matter how much Canadians or Mexicans are willing to give up the Americans will slam the border shut if they see it as in their self interest. The special interests that Manley represents have become too dependent on US trade which was simply a bad business decision.

If you look at Canadian history you will see that every time a business elite sees itself threatened it promotes more integration with the United States. This has been going on since before Confederation. It is a panic response to bad decision making. While the media are calling this "forward thinking" it is actually backward thinking.

As a country we need to draw back from our trade dependance on the US. There is a world out there beyond the US and even Europe. We need to look forward and outward not inward behind the walls of Fortress America.

Let`s not be so mean? Why not? They`ve been pretty mean to us! I say shut off the oil and gas until they learn to play fair!!

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Dave Ruston

Thanks to everyone who comments on this site and shares their passion. I visit this site offen and what a refreshing thing to know that there are so many out there who care. This site definately needs more humour though. Lets start now. The joke goes, a kid goes to his dad and asks, "Dad, what are polotics?" His dad replies,"Put it this way; I am the breadwinner of the family so I am capitalism. Your mom is the owner of the money so she is government. The government is the provider of the people so you are the people. Your baby brother is the future, and the nanny is the working class. Now think about that."

So he went to bed. He was woken by his baby brother. The baby had pooped in his diaper. He went to tell his parents but he only found his mom asleep in the bed. He didn't want to wake her so he went to the nanny. The door was loked. He checked through a key hole and saw the dad in bed with the nanny. He went back to bed. The next mourning he went back to his dad and said," Dad I know what you mean now."

"You do? Tell me"

"Ok, While capitalism is screwing the working class, the government is sound asleep, while the people are watching the future being pooped on!!!" Thanks again everyone. Let's do something. THE MAPLE LEAF FOREVER!!!

That's a false argument in my book. Globalism was about concentrating the control of capital and stopping the development of mixed economies in developing nations and resource rich nations. It had zero humanist values.

South America has woken up to this charade. Neoliberalism is seen for what it is, a grab for power over weaker nations. Modern industrialized mixed economies were built behind tariff walls as its one of the few ways a country can become self sufficient without being economically raped by nations with much larger economies and abundant capital.

Canada has incredible assets of food and fuel that other nations desperately want, we don't need their capital or investment to survive and grow. Nor do we need their protection or security shield. These are the myths we are being sold by our own leaders. Americans must think we are saps. Nice saps, but saps all the same.

If they close the border what will we do with our garbage? Will the guy living in luxury build us a disposal site? Toronto will be uninhabitable in a month. Where will I move to?

We're not talking about the thin edge of a wedge, this is a spike driven into Canada's heart. The simple fact that this very prominent Canadian has the audacity to suggest such a thing at this time means he has tacit approval from his party and the government.

The CCCE sponsors this kind of task force and their memebership corporations aren't likely paying thier fair share of taxes. Why should they have ANY say? We're likely subsidizing them so we can have jobs so we can pay their taxes to the government.

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