"Wiped Off The Map" - The Rumor Of The Century

Posted on Monday, September 24 at 15:42 by siljan
Before we get to the infamous remark, it's important to note that the "quote" in question was itself a quote— they are the words of the late Ayatollah Khomeini, the father of the Islamic Revolution. Although he quoted Khomeini to affirm his own position on Zionism, the actual words belong to Khomeini and not Ahmadinejad. Thus, Ahmadinejad has essentially been credited (or blamed) for a quote that is not only unoriginal, but represents a viewpoint already in place well before he ever took office. THE ACTUAL QUOTE: So what did Ahmadinejad actually say? To quote his exact words in farsi: "Imam ghoft een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad." That passage will mean nothing to most people, but one word might ring a bell: rezhim-e. It is the word "Regime", pronounced just like the English word with an extra "eh" sound at the end. Ahmadinejad did not refer to Israel the country or Israel the land mass, but the Israeli regime. This is a vastly significant distinction, as one cannot wipe a regime off the map. Ahmadinejad does not even refer to Israel by name, he instead uses the specific phrase "rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods" (regime occupying Jerusalem). So this raises the question.. what exactly did he want "wiped from the map"? The answer is: nothing. That's because the word "map" was never used. The Persian word for map, "nagsheh", is not contained anywhere in his original farsi quote, or, for that matter, anywhere in his entire speech. Nor was the western phrase "wipe out" ever said. Yet we are led to believe that Iran's President threatened to "wipe Israel off the map", despite never having uttered the words "map", "wipe out" or even "Israel". THE PROOF: The full quote translated directly to English: "The Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time". Word by word translation: Imam (Khomeini) ghoft (said) een (this) rezhim-e (regime) ishghalgar-e (occupying) qods (Jerusalem) bayad (must) az safheh-ye ruzgar (from page of time) mahv shavad (vanish from). Here is the full transcript of the speech in farsi, archived on Ahmadinejad's web site More: http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=5866 [Proofreader’s note: this article was edited for spelling and typos on September 25, 2007]

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  1. by N Say
    Tue Sep 25, 2007 1:47 am
    I've heard that in Iran, politicians won't get any support unless they speak out against Israel. When he said Israel should be wiped off the map (or whatever it was) he could have just been saying it, just like our politicians give the usual promises about health & education.

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  2. Tue Sep 25, 2007 2:42 am
    "When he said Israel should be wiped off the map (or whatever it was)..."
    Or whatever it was??
    Fuck!
    It is exactly this kind of sloppiness that I rage against Listening to CBC on the way home there was the university president where Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is speaking continuing to support this vicious lying rumour. In a time where thought crimes are jailable offences this kind shit is in excusable. It’s no f’ing wonder that the brain dead hurl the racist slur Anti-Semitic at me.


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    William Blake

  3. by siljan
    Tue Sep 25, 2007 3:11 am
    I am not so sure what you heard about politicians in Iran and their views on Israel, N Say. <br />
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    In America on the other hand I do know that any politician or public figure of any kind who speak out agaist Israel can kiss their career goodbye. The same thing can now be said about Canadian politicians.<br />
    <br />
    Ahmadinejad never said Israel should be wiped off the map. He was misquoted. Read the whole article. Once you have been branded as part of the "Axis of evil" it is difficult for people to get an informed and impartial opinion. Especially for people who have the corporate media as their only news source.<br />
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    Read this letter form Ahmadinejad to President George W. Bush written in May of last year. Bush not surprisingly ignored this letter;<br />
    <a href="http://www.serendipity.li/bush/ahmadinejad_letter_to_bush.htm">http://www.serendipity.li/bush/ahmadinejad_letter_to_bush.htm</a> <br />
    <br />
    I personally like what the President of Iran has to say here. It seems to be on such a higher plane than anything coming from Bush and his warmongers.

  4. by N Say
    Tue Sep 25, 2007 6:34 am
    I've read that he didn't actually say Israel should be wiped off the map, but I don't think it matters all that much. Ahmadinejad is above all a politician, and politicians in Iran apparently can't get elected without criticizing Israel. Whatever he said I would take it with a grain of salt. I guess it's sort of like it is here (or in other countries) where politicians wouldn't want to be seen as George Bush lovers because it would cost them votes.

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  5. Tue Sep 25, 2007 8:33 am
    "I've read that he didn't actually say Israel should be wiped off the map, but I don't think it matters all that much.
    let's just and I mean just shoeten the above from you to 'I don't think well'

    Christ! and you're in university?

    Because you and many likw you , at least how you apper here, can't see that the lies told on Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and the fools who either believe them of take the same position as you have give permission for war?
    Do you really want to re-open the Isreal question yet again?


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  6. Tue Sep 25, 2007 3:59 pm
    I think people are totally missing the point. "President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad " is just that. President.

    Iran is an 'Islamic theocratic democracy' (bwaaahahahah) which means the President is a figurehead. The Ayatollah (religious leader) runs the show.

    The 'President' does nothing without the religious leaders say-so.


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  7. Tue Sep 25, 2007 4:50 pm
    "I've read that he didn't actually say Israel should be wiped off the map, but I don't think it matters all that much."

    It matters a great deal that we all understand that our government and the mass media lie to us regularly and intentionally. They do this as a means to manufacture consent where none would otherwise be forthcoming.

    Israel wants the US to attack Iran, and they are playing the usual games to make sure that it happens.

    What is very important, is the observation of who is working for Israel, because they reveal themselves whenever they propagate Israeli propaganda.

  8. Tue Sep 25, 2007 4:53 pm
    "Iran is an 'Islamic theocratic democracy' (bwaaahahahah) which means the President is a figurehead."

    Canada is a 'democratic confederation' (bwaaahahahah) which means Prime Minister Stephen Harper is a figurehead.

  9. Tue Sep 25, 2007 4:54 pm
    Well said, rearguard
    I should take lessons in civility from your words
    but such language as used by Nsay gets to me
    mea culpa


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    William Blake

  10. by siljan
    Tue Sep 25, 2007 4:56 pm
    I just finished watching Columbia University Pres. Bollingers 15 min. 'welcome' speech to the Head of State of a foreign country. It is a remarkable display of haughty arrogance, intertwined lies, breathtaking hypocricy and in the end a strong sign of fear and weakness.

    It wasn't Iran that destroyed Iraq. It wasn't Iran that bombed Lebanon and layed much of the Country to waste - again. Iran had nothing to do with Hiroshima. It isn't Iran that have turned Gaza into a ghetto. Iran has nothing to do with the deaths and destruction of Afghanistan, Iraq and together with these third world countries had nothing to do with 9/11.

    Most informed people around the world know that the CIA, the Military-Industrial-Complex, the Pentagon, the Multinational Corporations and the disgusting corporate media, working hand in hand with Zionism and Anglo terror networks are responsible for the death of millions of people in the third world, not to mention the poverty and oppression of millions more.

  11. by N Say
    Tue Sep 25, 2007 5:41 pm
    Of course I can see the lies, but what Ahmadinejad said was most likely intended for the Iranian people, not Israel. Of course the US media would spin it to make a case for the US attacking & taking over Iran. I thought this was about Ahmadinejad not actually being a mental case, as he is made out to be on TV etc.

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  12. Wed Sep 26, 2007 11:19 am
    Aaaah yes, the Axis of Evil. Simple minded politicians drawing a line in the sand
    and telling us who the bad guys are and who the good guys are. If it was only as
    simple as these blowhorns make it out to be. Doesn't take much to sell rubbish
    to masses of idiots.

  13. Wed Sep 26, 2007 5:25 pm
    "Doesn't take much to sell rubbish
    to masses of idiots."
    Yes and as one with enough attitude to sink the coming Chinese Navy my question is "How to bring about the required shift in consciousnesswhereby your assertion is no longer true?"


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    "When I tell the truth, it is not for the sake of convincing those who do not know it, but for the sake of defending those that do."

    William Blake

  14. Wed Sep 26, 2007 9:00 pm
    Dio wrote:"...my question is "How to bring about the required shift in consciousnesswhereby your assertion is no longer true?"..."

    That is the proverbial $64,000 question.

    Normally one would expect a respected politician to be able to do this, but, the problem is finding that respected politician.

    Perhaps this question deserves broader distribution, going as far as a public opinion poll.

    H.F. Wolff



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