Supreme Court Reference - Marriage

Well,personally I do not support same sex marriages because I don\'t think gays and lesbian/bisexual couples resemble in any shape and form a family instituition.
This is a nationalist form, we supposed to talk about soverignty, free trade, military and environmental policies. please do not waste our time talking about a fringe, socially divisive issue like same sex marriages.

Anyways I am off to the university of alberta, where Mr. Hurtig will be giving a speech about natioanl missle defence system and its implications for our Canadian soverignty.

I defend posting this to this site because although same-sex marriage is certainly not our primary issue on Vive, we do cover significant Canadian news and news related to civil liberties, and this information falls under both categories. In fact, it also falls under the category of Canada-US relations and differences in Canadian and US policy.

Vive has also hosted some interesting discussion on same-sex marriage before as well and I think our readers are interested.

Of course, as an organization we don\'t ask people to pick sides in this debate or even take a specific action on it because it is not our primary issue, but I don\'t think discussion of it should be seen as threatening to our primary mission or off topic any more than a discussion of global warming or other important domestic and foreign policy issues.

Finally, Vive IS generally a progressive site that holds an anti-discrimination policy, even though we try to provide a platform open to a broad range of opinion and political views.

I support your position on this too Susan.

4Canada as a country that supports human rights

I am glad we don\'t have taboo subjects on vive; everything that affects Canadian citizens ought to be discussed, especially civil rights; since you mentioned you are going to listen to Mel Hurtig\'s speech, please bring back your comments on that for those of us unable to attend.

I do not see the issue of ssm as a human rights issue but this is an open discussion forum and we can agree to disagree.

In any event back to more important topic, I did go to Mel\'s lecture tonight, very enlightening. There were about 150 people mostly students out there. I was very encouraged to see how the crowd reacted when Mel said \" we are going to make ballistic missile defence an election issue.\" He discussed how Paul Martin is so afraid of the backlash against the star wars that he will not start the talks with the Americans until next October, well after the next federal election, because he is afraid that the Canadian people would punish him at the polls.

it was a great night and it sure worth the ten minutes walk in -35 below from the parking lot to the lecture hall!

That is terrific, especially that there were mostly students, maybe Mel will get the message to the youth? The great thing about getting the youth into discussions is their passion, once they know what\'s at stake, they may very well rise to the occasion. Every generation needs a cause, let\'s hope saving Canada, will belong to this generation.

Same sex marriage IS a human rights issue, because homosexuals are still discriminated against, and are still people put out on the fringes. If we are to support the notion of a Canada which is FREE and democratic, then this must apply to ALL people, including homosexuals. Same sex couples deserve the right to be married just like hetero couples! Anything less is discrimination! Families also come in many different forms. Many same sex couples raise happy, healthy children ,and also form happy families. I`ve also seen hetero disfunctional families, so really, family is all about the love people have for each other. But we must allow, or should i say, be open minded enough to be comfortable with same sex couples exercising their RIGHT to marry! Nobody is free if some are oppressed! To me, my Canada oppresses NOBODY!

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Dave Ruston

Dave, I love you.

As a national forum this is a place to discuss same-sex marriage which is a major national issue in Canada and needs to be addressed on a forum such as this. I too agree that homosexuals and lesbians are not what traditional marriage is. They can use any term they wish but they are simply trying to force the majority (97%) of Canadians to allow homosexuals (3%)to be the judges of what is normal and acceptable.

That my friend is called dictatorship. A factious minority of reprobates have no right to change Canadian law and I for one will put a stop to them quickly as will other upright, well-principled individuals.

Families are defined as one man and one woman and this comes from Jesus Christ himself.

\"Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female. For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife:(not his boyfriend)and they twain shall be one flesh. Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. (Matthew 19:4-6)

In case you do not know procreation was ordained by God to conceive children and its been that way for thousands of years and it will not change.

<p>"In case you do not know procreation was ordained by God to conceive children and its been that way for thousands of years and it will not change."</p> <p>I don't see your point. The definition of procreation is to produce offspring. It is a purely physiological act. Whoever chooses to ordain it is irrelevant to the act itself. In my world it is irrelevant - period.</p> <p>Two people do not need to be married to procreate, they just need to be physically capable and hopefully, willing.</p> <p>This is already an old thread and probably won't get seen much more but the following site provides lots of very informative material and loads of links.</p> <p> http://www.marriageequality.org/facts.p ... s_vs_civil </p>

"That my friend is called dictatorship."

Excuse me, but I think there is a major flaw in your logic. You believe you have the right to impose on people your version of right and wrong and that's acceptable, but other people or groups of people that have a differing opinion to yours cannot do that because that is a dictatorship??????

Sounds a tad hypocritical to me. All these people are asking for are equal rights as human beings. A civil union marriage has nothing to do with religion and that is all these people are asking for. The same legal recognition.

A religious marriage ceremony is not even recognized in a legal manner by our governments anyway. They are completely separate. What makes a marriage official and legal is the procurement of a marriage licence from the government. Religious ceremonies are optional and a personal preference but not a necessary requirement.

You know Im4Canada, Bible Preacher only came on the site to rant, after nobody took the bait, there are no more posts, or least not any I have seen. Guess we're not as much fun as they thought we'd be....he he

I know, I checked his profile before I posted. His stuff ticked me off so much though I just had to get it out. :-/