Six U.S. States Bid To Exclude Cdn Beef

I surely hope R-Calf succeeds.

I have largely stopped eating beef rather than accept the risk of tainted Canadian meat. The only beef I will purchase or consume is that which is certified not to be imported from Canada.

To me, this has not a thing to do with trade. It has to do with human health, and frankly, I think Canadians are being crass in forcing this meat on consumer's like me who don't want to buy it.

"To me, this has not a thing to do with trade. It has to do with human health, and frankly, I think Canadians are being crass in forcing this meat on consumer's like me who don't want to buy it."

In that case, you have no idea what you're talking about. You've been lied to, and you believe it. Do a little homework, and you'll find American beef is at greater risk for BSE than Canadian meat is. The odds of getting vJCD from tainted beef are greater than winning a lotto, even if you eat the tainted meat.

Keep bleating little sheep. *baaa* *baaa*


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"If you must kill a man, it costs you nothing to be polite about it." Winston Churchill

I wholeheartedly agree. The health of MY family is more important to me than whether or not some fat cat Canadians get rich quick off their demise. For a society that continually brays on and on about how peaceful, polite, compassionate ad nauseum that they are you'd think they would be more concerned, caring, and polite where the safety and welfare of small children or anyone for that matter who might ingest their diseased products. For them to try to force it upon our people even as we are dealing with natural disasters of epic proportions and our country is at war with the very terrorist groups and corporations backed and supported by Canada is very indicative of their nature as a society. Ditto the clear cut timber they have stolen from their native populations lands (who they won't allow to harvest/sell for themselves) and continually attempt to FORCE upon our people even though it harms our people, the Native American peoples on the continent, and the environment with the complete and total devastation that clear cutting wreaks. IF Canada was even a TENTH as "enlightened" as it brays and brags on aboot it would be something wouldn't it? Yes, I agree. If their meat is so safe they can keep it and eat it themselves. I'd prefer that MY children not be subjected to it no matter HOW many temper tantrums the Canadiens throw! You go R-Calf!!!

"Do a little homework, and you'll find American beef is at greater risk for BSE than Canadian meat is."

I'm sorry, but this is simply not supported by fact, nor do I believe anyone has calculated any specific risk for contracting the human form of the disease.

All we know is that avoiding animals exposed to BSE is prudent to protect human health. To that extent, I avoid Canadian beef, and will not buy or consume it.

Again, this is not about jingoism for me (as it appears to be for you, based on your mindless deragatory comments.)

"Keep bleating little sheep. *baaa* *baaa*"

Running true to form as always there, "eh"... Hysterical Hyperventilating Hate Ho? A real *Calebrity* in your own mind?

AmmeeerriKKKAaaaAaAaAAa...BBbbaaaaAAAAad...you're the bleatnik!!!yeah, ya can't stand it can ya baby boi???

Just cause ya hate me and ALL Americans does that make it cool to attack THAT person? For stating that their own health is a concern to them? Yeah...must be a true Corrupt Communist Canuckistani Hate Whore to be THAT bitter and jaded alright...

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Bon Appitite!<p>---<br>"If you must kill a man, it costs you nothing to be polite about it." Winston Churchill<br />

Ignorance. Arrogance. Truely American.

US cattle ranchers recently started using Canadian guidelines for feeding their own cattle. Guidelines we put in place after the whole BSE mess. So how does that make your cattle any safer? The BSE cases that have come to light in the US are ignored and covered up. The vet comes in and they call it something else, the calf just has a cold. Something like how your goverment calls mass civilian killings, "collateral damage". If we don't call it murder, than maybe they'll beleive it's not murder. Maybe if you did some research, as a previous post suggested. Instead of swallowing the lies of FOX, CNN and R-CALF.

Canada supports terrorism? How? I guess you are gonna tell me the terrorists that attacked on 9/11 came in through Canada. The US is the largest terrorist state in the world. Talk about exporting terrorism, they trained Al-Quida and Osama to fight the commies. CIA operations around the world, are terrorist operations. Look at what you guys did to Latin America! No, we're not selling weapons and supporting guerillas...

The reason terrorist are attacking you is because you government supports corrupt regimes. And at the same time, it helps those regimes destroy popular national movements. All this in order to keep the goods flowing. Look at what they did in Iran! They helped remove the democracy and install the Shah! No wonder they had an islamic revolution, they wanted to get rid of the dictators. Now they have something in between.

Neither Canada nor the US have 'nice' histories with their indigenous poeples. So lets not compare notes. Not to mention the US dependance on slavery in the early years of it's life.

"I'm sorry, but this is simply not supported by fact, nor do I believe anyone has calculated any specific risk for contracting the human form of the disease."<br />
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"quantitative risk estimate of the likelihood of at least 1 infection of BSE occurring in Canada prior to 1997 is very low (7.3 x 10-3);"<br />
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Take that number, Insert it into the formula for risk assesment (R = P x C, risk equals probability times concequences) where P is (7.3X10-3)X population of the Canadian herd. Do the same for the US herd. Has the probability of infection increased?<br />
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"All we know is that avoiding animals exposed to BSE is prudent to protect human health."<br />
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Absolutely.<br />
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"To that extent, I avoid Canadian beef, and will not buy or consume it."<br />
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See my links below. US beef is more at risk because of the larger herd, and the fact that many cattle aren't tested like they should be.<br />
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"... based on your mindless deragatory comments." "Canadians are being crass in forcing this meat on consumer's like me who don't want to buy it."<br />
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Hmmm. Assuming anyone is forcing you to eat and buy anything is rather deragatory, don't you think?<br />
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<p>---<br>"If you must kill a man, it costs you nothing to be polite about it." Winston Churchill<br />

First, I will not take my public health information from a blog. Second, avoiding Canadian (and also British,)beef is only one of the precautions I take. I happen to purchase a brand of beef that this certified grain-fed. I will not order beef in a restaurant. Third, <b>there were two new cases of BSE discovered in Canadian cattle this year.</b> I'm sorry this is bad for businesses and farmers, but the best indicator of mad cow in the Canadian cattle population is the discovery of infected animals in Canadian herds. With regard to US cattle, I agree that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, however, evidence of the PRESENCE of BSE in the Canadian herds is exactly that. Finally, the risk I willing to assume in order to consume Canadian beef is <b>zero</b>. That is to say, I am unwilling to assume any risk of contracting BSE from Canadian beef, as the import of Canadian beef does not otherwise benefit me.

"US cattle ranchers recently started using Canadian guidelines for feeding their own cattle. Guidelines we put in place after the whole BSE mess."

OK, but two new cases of BSE were found in Canadian animals this year. This, not feeding regimens, is the single best indicator that some animals int he Canadian heard carry BSE.

As a Canadian organic cattle producer, my animals have about as much chance to get BSE, as are the animals of all the ranchers around here, as flying to the moon on their wings.

However, what happens to them when they end up in the feedlots, the majority controlled by US multinationals, like Cargill, we have no contol of. That's where they're pumped full of chemicals, steroids, hormones, corn, and the ground up carcases of dead animals to make them fat, because the North American public demands it, calling it "marble" in the meat.

This is going on on both sides of the border and both American and Canadian beef are banned in Europe because of it. Yet, both governments demand WTO action against the Europeans, instead of stopping this criminal practice. Does it make any sense to anybody ?

As far the BSE is concerned, my American rancher friends, some next door with ranches on both sides of the border, tell me that there have been and are thousands of US cattle infected with it, but it is kept in dark secret. Personally, I wouldn't eat supermarket meat of any kind on either side of the border.

Even at that, to the best of my knowledge, controls on the Canadian side are still stronger, on account of massive deregulations and the firing of inspectors by successive US and to a lesser extent Canadian governments. This is what they call the "market economy", where the "marketplace" is supposed to make the decisions.

At the same time, I find it rather funny when people complain about Canadian beef in a country loaded with genetically modified foods, without any controls, or even testing on their effect on human health. Ed Deak, Big Lake, BC.

Canada actually had produced five (5) cases in less than two (2) years if you count Carolyn Parrish the Original Canadian Mad Cow among them. There's a reason people in America don't want to eat Canadian beef, and in spite of the hate mongers here it has nothing to do with Fox, CNN, R-Calf, or prejudice. It simply DOES have to do with people not standing for someone trying to FORCE a deadly disease producing/tainted product upon them or their loved ones! What is so difficult for Canadians to comphrehend is that they can't make as much MONEY off other's demise as they'd like, and so they go on and on and on and on finger pointing. Just like the lumber thing. America isn't trying to force lumber OR beef on Canada. FranCanCorp is trying to force these things on the people of America. And so because the "evil" American people balk at the concept it's HATE SPEW TIME, up there in The Hate White North "eh"! Kinda like funding, supporting, sponsoring, encouraging, and backing their terrorist buddies to get revenge on us for taking out their business partner Saddam which cost them those oil contracts (along with their French/Russian/Chinese partners). So they in a blind rage take it "oot" (eh) on the Iraqi people and Multinational Forces members representing the Free World countries who trying to protect the Iraqi people from the FranCanCorp backed terrorists trying to murder them. The war's been over for a LONG time now, and it's all "aboot" FranCanCorp's sweet revenge on the Iraqi people for "collaborating with the enemy" (eh)...those evil Free World nation's forces helping them to rebuild (eh)...yeah...like, much coolness (eh)...dude...whoa...(cough, cough)...long live the LEAF man...

So, what you're saying is:

1) The USDA website, The National Post, Reuters, etc. are 'blogs'

2) The persons website which was linked first, who actually worked in an abbatoir and stated that a Texas cow was mad,and that it was not tested but covered up, and upon re-testing was found to be the US's first case of Mad Cow; is not an indicator of BSE in the US herd.

3) The presence of BSE in the US herd, and it's subsequently being covered up by many abbatoirs represents no risk to the US consumer.

4) Testing of Canadian cattle to remove any chance of BSE from reaching the consumer is a risk to the consumer, but covering up BSE in the US herd is not a risk to the consumer. Whereas, BSE infected cattle from the US herd that actually reached consumers, poses no risk to the consumer.

5) Discovery of a diseased cow, even if removed from the herd and food supply, means that all the rest of the cows in the country got cooties from it, and are infected.

Did I interpret that right?

Like you, however, I buy my beef from people I know. Right Ed?


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"If you must kill a man, it costs you nothing to be polite about it." Winston Churchill

I am a Canadian living temporarily in the US. My wife and I have stopped eating beef here, because we realize much of it is hormone-infested. Europeans would also agree with this statement as they do not want US beef (and genetically modified food). The British rations for Katrina Relief were NATO approved and were rejected in the US as "not fit for human consumption" although US soldiers eat them in Iraq. How utterly arrogant.

The FDA (Food and Drug Administration) and the Department of Agriculture are both organizations that are very small on food and CAPITAL LETTER BOLD UNDELINED on drugs. Kevin Trudeau would agree with this.