New Legislation Threatens Privacy For Canadians Once Again!

Posted on Tuesday, August 23 at 01:44 by whelan costen
Tie this into the already existing rules, such as, anti-Terrorist legislation (Bill C 36) and Bill C7 which gained Royal Assent: 6 May 2004 and which gives dictatorial powers to a number of Ministers who have the capacity to shut down the country and declare martial law without any checks and balances, and without going to Parliament. Add to that the new Smart Border plans being proposed and the biometric identification cards on the horizon (proposed by the Tri-lateral Task Force which includes the U.S. Council on Foreign Relations, the Canadian Council of Chief Executives and the Mexican Council of Foreign Relations; the business elite of the three countries). Then you can see, we are losing our freedom all in the name of some dark shadow that was, created by fear and hate, called, ‘terrorism’. This new world we live in has become ‘might is right’! Clearly the rise of terrorism has coincided with the pre-emptive strike on Iraq, ironically in retaliation for an act by several Saudi’s! I believe it is noteworthy to consider that with all the security, spy agencies and technology, the two men who were ‘America’s most wanted’, are still alive, while thousands of innocent people have been murdered. How many more people will be arrested, detained, murdered or falsely imprisoned on the basis of lies, or false intelligence information? According to a Standing Committee Report by The ‘Ligue des droits et libertes‘ a non-profit, non-partisan group, these proposals come at the request of the United States not because Canada deems them necessary. I quote from their report, ‘ In the fall of 2002, Minister Denis Coderre launched the idea of an identity card…to facilitate border crossing for Canadians at the U.S. border…..On December 6,2002 John Manley and Tom Ridge, the director of Homeland Security, agreed on a 30-point Smart Border Action Plan. The first point concerns biometric identification. ….The purpose of the plan was to meet the requirements of the United States rather than any need felt in Canada.” Really I ask you, who is being terrorized? After Sept 11, we were inundated with slogans, ‘they will not win’ and ‘situation normal’ and ‘please go about your daily affairs, because if we live in fear THEY will have won’. Today, ‘they’ are not imposing the fear. It is coming from those who should be creating an environment of calm, reassuring the public instead of creating mass hysteria. Today, we are inundated with a different slogan ‘The evil must be annihilated’ and ‘We are fighting this war on terror’, and reminding us to watch our neighbours and be suspicious of people’s activities. Quite frankly, it sounds like the ‘war on drugs’, something which never ends, because the root cause is never addressed. All of this new security is being done without the consent or request of the Canadian people. It would appear that our government is now taking instructions from someone other than those who have elected them. When the U.S. brought in the Patriot Act, we followed with anti-terrorism laws, (Bill C36) . When they started the ‘no fly’ list for airlines, Canada followed with our own. Now they want more power to invade Canadians privacy. Canada’s Census, the collection of very private and national security information, will be influenced by Lockheed Martin(a Manufacturer of Weapons), which leaves us susceptible to the Patriot Act’s over reaching powers to access information from any company. Why would Canada ever allow a foreign company to be involved in our census at any level? I ask you, what is the definition of democracy on today’s stage and what manner of freedom do we profess to embrace? With all the high tech security we have in place today, and much of what was in place prior to 911, certainly prior to the recent bombings in Britain, did it prevent such attacks? Does spying on the law abiding citizen, give them a sense of security? Civil rights are being eroded fast and furious, and seemingly our Canadian government is succumbing to the law of another nation. We are inviting the DEA, FBI and other U.S. agencies into Canada on the premise of assisting our law enforcement. Texas troopers are detaining people on B.C. highways, with no legitimate explanation for their boots on Canadian soil! This is the incident as reported, ‘CBC News, Jan. 28, 2005 VANCOUVER ¬ A Vancouver man has won an out-of-court settlement from the RCMP after an incident in which he says he was illegally searched. David Laing says police overstepped the law when they stopped his car, decided he was driving under the influence of marijuana, and searched his vehicle and two-year-old son. Under Canadian law, that kind of search is illegal. What upset Laing even more is that some the officers he tangled with were actually American police officers.” Consultation with the people is a required element to validate a democracy. Canada’s very sovereignty is being threatened through the glorification of a global ideology that promises peace, harmony and security, but in reality offers nothing more than colonization. When our government no longer acts independently to create laws, control our monetary supply, health regulations, and security measures suitable and appropriate to the people of Canada, we abdicate our sovereignty. The very real threat to become nothing more than a mere landmass, storage for natural resources, and military bases, grouped within the boundaries of a North American Fortress and under control of a global power is no longer the substance of sci-fi novels. Canada’s ability to remain a nation, separate and distinct, with unique and specific laws, customs and values is being eroded, at an alarming rate. We are indebted to foreign investors and private banks, our military is heavily influenced if not under the control of a foreign power in many ways, we have laws on the books which allow the U.S. to send troops into Canada without our consent. This new legislation is another element added to the decline of our rights as citizens in a sovereign country. The writing is no longer just on the walls . It is on every bar of this symbolic cage we are creating for ourselves in the name of freedom!

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  1. by mk
    Tue Aug 23, 2005 12:28 pm
    "“The bill would allow police to demand that Internet service providers hand over a wide range of information on the surfing habits of individuals, including on-line pseudonyms and whether someone possesses a mischief-making computer virus, according to a draft outline of the bill provided to the Privacy Commissioner of Canada.”"

    Unless you as a citizen make a conscious choice to prevent this kind of easvesdropping, I'm not sure how it can be avoided. All non-encrypted internet traffic is "hiding in plain sight" anyways, it is like talking in a public space and expecting law enforcement (or other people for that matter) to plug their ears. Catherine, if you conduct party business via a cable modem somebody probably already is keeping an eye on your packet stream.

    Protocols like PGP (messaging), HTTPS (web) and IMAPS (mail) protocols allow for encrypted traffic between two communication points that other people cannot decrypt (the best they could do with a packet sniffer is determine the two end points communicating). Telephony products like Skype that use encrypted peer-to-peer technology would be even more difficult to monitor since it is a) global; and b) not to an ISP endpoint, meaning any snoop activity would have to be directed against individuals, no one-stop-shopping at ISPs.

    Data-encrypting cell phones also exist, though encrypted peer-to-peer over Wi-Fi is probably going to become the standard for nefarious activity, since even the endpoint IP addresses are going to be relatively arbitrary.

    To the right wingers who support this kind of snooping in the name of "fighting terrorism" ("New Right", that is, let's be clear), my point is that the proposal is analagous to the infamous gun registry: this kind of snooping will be a fantastic expense, very lucrative for many technology insiders in federal contracting, will not catch those who have already decided to break the law, and will serve simply to intimidate ordinary, law-abiding citizens. And it will push the legitimate businesses who want to provide a reasonable standard of privacy offshore. As ever, wanna tie security and trade? Canada should *refuse* to go along with this, we'd get a lot of data farms colocating here.

    All some "watch-list" candidate has to do is post here on vive once anonymously (or perhaps even connect, or perhaps even visit a site with a low google-distance from this one, or one with a link referral to this one), and authorities will be able to cast a net as wide as they want. If this site is on a shared virtual host without unique IP addresses, it may not even need to be a connection to this particular site!

    Vive admins, if you're not just being cynical you should at least offer an HTTPS gateway to this site.

  2. Tue Aug 23, 2005 8:10 pm
    Most Canadians are indifferent to this threat, and a very large number of them are totally unaware of it. Thus, there is absolutely nothing that can or will be done to prevent unscrupulous and worthless politicians from making this rancid garbage the law of the land. Its going to happen. Period.

    There is only one faint hope. The "mad right" has never really held monopoly control of communications technology and expertise since the advent of the internet and associated media. That's one reason for this, their latest crazy idea. Perhaps before the evil bad guys can spend enough of our money and properly gear up to carry out the worst of their Gestapo-like activities, some bright spark who still believes in civilization will find a practical technological solution to frustrate the worst of the abuses and protect the rest of us from their slimy snooping. Its not unlikely. Let's hope it happens.

    Meanwhile the rest of us will just have to soldier on and somehow try to make what's left of our democracy work for us.

  3. Wed Aug 24, 2005 8:00 am
    If you browse the net long enough, you know your info is out there anyhow. What can be frightening about this, is how it affects us as citizens constitutionally; more specificly, how this will eventually erode our freedom of speech laws, as well as our freedom of assembly laws.

    Let me be less conspiracy, and more practical.

    This type of Legislation will, one day if passed, allow law enforcement officials to eventually arrest you, and charge you, and jail you; and all perfectly legal, for simply sharing an idea, opinion, or view over the net; that 'they' might not agree with!

    The WAR ON TERROR does not mean we have to destroy our civil liberties; We are protecting ourselves against evil acts in an effort to MAINTAIN OUR freedoms, not lose them...

    If this legislation is allowed, that comment would have me investigated, audited, and possibly thrown in jail. How is that for a scary reality? Hard to imagine, but not an impossibility.

    Does anyone remember that once there was this figment of a man named Hitler, and he once burned books that opposed his global and political views as he rose to power? Well, sorry to tell you, that is already happenning now, but the books are not just books anymore. They're journalists, websites, .org groups, bloggers, etc.etc.etc. These are the books being destroyed today, and no one is speaking out loud enough yet to stop it.

    The stories we hear and the events we see form our ideas and opinions and maybe even our own beliefs. Well, all we are bombarded with daily is propaganda. So much so, that we don't notice how real it really is, it actually becomes impossible for our minds to break free from. It causes us discomfort and uneasiness; it's frightful even to imagine our world leaders can be so evil as to lie to us like they do, but as the nazis used propaganda to sway their population, it is happening again. We need to wake up and prevent this before it's too late to do anything about it! Just being aware of it is half the battle, but more need speak up and make their voices heard. More need to get interested in this to stop the snowballing that the war on terror is taking. This is getting ridiculous!

    Let me ask this question:
    Who stands to lose with unlimited control of the internet, and who does this benefit?
    Now, who stands to gain by having access to names, address's, and personal lifestyle information from your internet provider, and who stands to lose from this?

    The answer in both quesions is the Corporation, and us as individuals. The people from both sides of our borders are the ones who stand to lose and gain the most, of course they want to control the internet. It's the last bastion of Free Speech to the masses world wide!

    The internet has become a living breathing mix of ideas, attitudes, and cultures. IT IS COMMUNICATION on a scale never before imagined. Yes there should be some controls on what type of information is shared, I feel penalties should be delivered depending on the severity of any just crimes, but let that be decided through an accountable legal system, a proper court of law, not just an administration south of our border who is criminal in all doings since the Iraq war.

    We are falling victim to Mr. Bush's quest for the dreaded terrorist. If we give in here, the road only gets straighter to where we will end up-we will have less options open to us as the months and years pass! Canada is Canada, not just a place above the USA. We fought them back once, and we will do it again if needed! This time it doesn't have to result in the white house being set on fire though, we'ld be just as happy maintaining our sovreignity and not buying into becoming a puppet country for their greed. Either way we will not just lay down without raising our voice to be heard.

    I love this country.

    I have, in my lifetime, taken an oath to our flag, and what what it represents in the hearts of Canadians everywhere. I was willing then to lay my life down for our great nation, and I still am. Both yesterday, today, and tomorrow if needed.

    And I will NOT go quietly into these games of deceit.
    I will not buy their attitudes and fascism. I do not believe they are just, and soon enough the world will tire of these actions. We did during the third Reich, and we will again during the 4th Reich of today!

    Our freedoms will persevere and be maintained, as will what is commonly known to be just and fair. Human decencies will never let down to fictitious policies.

    They must not win this battle of quieting our voices. Pretty soon, we may never heard again!

    X

  4. Wed Aug 24, 2005 8:24 am
    We already have new laws as I mention which threaten our security, see this site re Bill c36<br />
    <a href="http://www.canadianliberty.bc.ca/liberty-vs-security/bills-c35-and-c36.html">http://www.canadianliberty.bc.ca/liberty-vs-security/bills-c35-and-c36.html</a><br />
    <br />
    This is a quote from the Bill C36 which absolutely is incredible:<br />
    "``terrorist group'' means<br />
    (a) an entity that has as one of its purposes or activities facilitating or carrying out any terrorist activity, or<br />
    <br />
    (b) a listed entity,<br />
    and includes an association of such entities.<br />
    <br />
    Facilitation<br />
    <br />
    (2) For the purposes of this Part, a terrorist activity is facilitated whether or not<br />
    (a) the facilitator knows that a particular terrorist activity is facilitated;<br />
    <br />
    (b) any particular terrorist activity was foreseen or planned at the time it was facilitated; or<br />
    <br />
    (c) any terrorist activity was actually carried out."<br />
    <br />
    Ok now call me crazy but is this really possible, you could be charged as a facilitator even though no activity was carried out and whether you know or don't know that you've facilitated???<br />
    <br />
    So if a terrorist has a flat tire on the way to terrorize, you stop and help her, and she carries on her way, have you just facilitated ??? <br />
    <br />
    <p>---<br>If I stand for my country today...will my country be here to stand for me tomorrow?

  5. Wed Aug 24, 2005 4:51 pm
    "If I stand for my country today..will my country be here to stand for me tommorrow?" I see this phrase very often on Vive. Clearly, if you are a Canadian, the answer is a definite no. Our governments do not have the courage, principle or integrity to stand up for their citizens.

    Ask any wounded or injured veteran who has been forgetten and left to live in poverty. Ask any Canadian who has experienced problems overseas and couldn't find effective consular help. Ask Mahar Arar. Ask the far too many people who have been wrongfully convicted of crimes, or charged and convicted for crimes that never happened. Ask people who have had their lives stained forever with wretched criminal records or have been persecuted by vengful vigilantes long after they have paid their debt to society. Ask someone who has had a loved one shot by police, killed in a high-speed police chase, or who died after being tasered, or in jail under mysterious circumstances that never quite get cleared up...and on and on and on. Ask them if Canada has stood up for them.

    We are too complacent. Instead of taking this message to heart, we are too quick to shoot the messenger. Our failure to show the outrage that we should feel about all the things I have noted above and a lot more that I could mention encourages bad, or sometimes just weak and easily mislead, people in key positions to push the envelope, to enact more repressive nazi-style laws and to senslessly attack individual freedoms.

    Its already late in the game. If we do not collectively wake up soon, the Canada of 2015 will look very much like the Germany of 1942. And there will be no peaceful or easy way to go back and undo the damage. Anybody with even the faintest idea of voting in the next federal election should give this a lot of thought. But I fear that few will.

  6. Wed Aug 24, 2005 6:59 pm
    I Suppose you do see that message alot on vive, because I post alot, and it is attached to my posts. It isn't a vive saying, it is my thoughts. I agree 100%, that is why I am willing to stand, to participate in the electoral process, and why I encourage all people who care about this country to do the same. People are waking up, it is slow but it is happening.

    ---
    If I stand for my country today...will my country be here to stand for me tomorrow?

  7. by avatar Jesse
    Wed Aug 24, 2005 7:47 pm
    <blockquote> I see this phrase very often on Vive. </blockquote> Indeed, that saying is Catherine's signature. You see it a lot for the same reason you see my saying about kittens; these signatures are attached to every post by that particular user. If you were logged in, you could set your own. :) They are entirely up to the users. <p> It sounds like you have a good perspective on things (and you can express it without swearing); hopefully you will stick around and provide input on some of our other stories/forums as well! Are you a veteran yourself?<p>---<br>Every time you complain about the moderators, god kills a kitten.

  8. Fri Aug 26, 2005 9:37 am
    >>that is why I am willing to stand, to participate in the electoral process,<<

    Yeah, it has nothing to do with a desperate plea for attention... Right...



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