Nightmare Vision Of North America

Posted on Wednesday, March 23 at 10:53 by Perturbed
I could dwell on the difficulty of anyone's improving relations with a man of Mr. Bush's remarkably unpleasant character. After all, Canada has produced no more affable or charming politician than former Prime Minister Jean Chrétien, and Mr. Chrétien it seems could not entirely disguise a sense of repulsion at the American commander in chief. I am sure he did not greatly miss his cancelled invitation to share charred cow, root beer, and sermons from the Book of Revelations down in Crawford, Texas. Of course, no matter how unpleasant the current president is, Canada must have a decent relationship with America. Geography dictates this, but so does Canada's basic national character. Canada does not make enemies, which is why so many Americans travelling in Europe and other places wear maple leaf patches or pins on their backpacks or lapels. Criticism of Manley's scheme is possible on many levels, but my chief criticism is that the authors simply do not understand that no country can make a binding deal of this nature with the United States. It is simply impossible. Yes, America's government might well sign an agreement, but the agreement would shortly prove worthless, except those portions of it with visceral appeal to Americans. This conclusion comes neither from prejudice nor mordant humor but from having lived half my life in each country and being a serious student of history. The point of the scheme is to avoid the massive back-ups in trade and travel that occurred in the aftermath of 9/11 by creating what would be effectively a single border for the countries of North America. Canada and Mexico would give up their independent decision-making regarding circumstances of entry, including for refugees, an area of international affairs where Canada in past decades has been far more generous and humane than the United States. There is even provision for educational efforts to promote a sense of North American identity. Full article: http://scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0503/S00184.htm [Proofreader's note: this article was edited for spelling and typos on March 23, 2005]

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  1. Wed Mar 23, 2005 7:23 pm
    Yes, this is a nightmare vision of North America! We Canadians don`t want to be American ,or integrate with, the USA! We don`t want our wives and daughters getting felt up in airports as it is happening in the US, all in the name of security! The 4th reich is merely looking for its Sweden and Switzerland in its quest of corporate fascist world domination. And if in some cases, which is the case, by the way, our standards in certain areas are higher than America`s then why should we lower them? Like I read here before, I don`t want carcinogenic growth hormones in my milk! I don`t want my police acting like gestapo state troopers! I don`t want private health care! John Manley is speaking on behalf of the Canadian sellouts in parliament. Hello? Jack Layton? Missile defense is done, or so they say. Wanna make this your baby?

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    Dave Ruston

  2. Wed Mar 23, 2005 7:33 pm
    Jack Layton is the definition of baby.

  3. Wed Mar 23, 2005 7:38 pm
    Yes, my fear exactly!

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    Dave Ruston

  4. by Rural
    Wed Mar 23, 2005 7:45 pm
    ........no country can make a binding deal of this nature with the United States. It is simply impossible. Yes, America's government might well sign an agreement, but the agreement would shortly prove worthless,..........

    That pretty much says it all for me!

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    When you are up to your ass in alligators it is difficult to remember that the initial objective was to drain the swamp

  5. Thu Mar 24, 2005 1:15 am
    I read on an american blog that the UN said the us has the highest level of mental illness. When I read that, my response was well what did you think? It is an orwellian country run by idiots. The article was supposed to be a satire. Not to denigrate anyone with a mental illness, but if it is a country wide phenomenon, why isn't the rest of the world doing an intervention and getting them help? They also have the highest level of citizens in jail, mostly non-white.
    We Canadians are not much better, but emulating them has got to be a sickness. When are we going to wake up? No, I do not have the solution or the answers, but I know I do not want to be like them. Actually I want to erect giant mirrors along the 49th parallel that reflects back to them their image.

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    rhondda

  6. Thu Mar 24, 2005 4:49 am
    "Actually I want to erect giant mirrors along the 49th parallel that reflects back to them their image." And you're calling the Americans mentally ill?

  7. Thu Mar 24, 2005 7:48 am
    Dave Rushton.....regretably, your post, like many on
    ViveLe Canada...is either (a) simply a reporting of the
    bad news of Canada is losing the sovereignty 'battle' to
    the USA, and (b) wailing and bemoaning, like your post,
    of how bad things are and why you don't want to be
    more "American'. None that "reaction" is particularly
    helpful--it is however, the historical response of the 'old
    left' in Canada...hell bent on always 'reacting' to their
    agenda, their program, their policies, ....and rarely, have
    the creativity, courage, vision, to articulate an alternative
    positive vision for Canada. With few exceptions, most of
    the articles and postings on this site, are all 'old left' of
    'centre left' reactions ...very rebellious, angry and
    reactionary ..against what 'they' in corporate canada
    are doing...but where are the 'alternatives' . Aside from
    dialogues does this site do anything to facilitate action
    of any sort--does anyone know? --or are we just
    referred to the Council of Canadians and more
    blarney---I have been receiving from COC--the same
    bulletin on 'Canada's water for sale' for over two years
    now...perhaps three...really/ it goes straight into 'file 13'.

  8. Thu Mar 24, 2005 6:47 pm
    Why not build an israelie wall!
    Oh by the way I am mentally ill,but not as ill as the politicians and corporate bums.

  9. Thu Mar 24, 2005 7:36 pm
    Thanks for your thoughts,anon, and yes, I guess, though I`m still quite young (35) I can be considered an old leftie. But to me, what is really quite archaic, is the notion that only the wealthy can have a good life, at the expense of the rest of us. My position may be reactionary,( we all react to things) but it is also reality. Wealth must be equitably distributed, or there will be no peace! And the power brokers in Washington must learn to respect the sovereignty of Canada and other countries, or there will be no peace! Social-democratic mixed economies are progressive, while laissez-faire economics backed by American corporate fascism are regressive! But one thing I do want to see is more Canadians pro-active in their quest for a sovereign, egalitarian country. What`s wrong with that?

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    Dave Ruston

  10. Thu Mar 24, 2005 9:05 pm
    I saw what may be that blog <br>http://makethemaccountable.com/podvin/more/050322_AmericaRules.htm <br>If that assessment is accurate - no particular reason to think it is not, given that everything in North America from air through food, music, and TV to water is poisonous brain-rot - contemplate also Squinter McDrooly's ambitions for screening all Mercans for "Mental" "Illness" and imposing state reeducation, er, treatments. <br>http://www.mindfreedom.org/mindfreedom/bushpsychFAQ.shtml <br>http://www.fff.org/freedom/fd0411b.asp <br>The pharmochemical plants are going to need slave labour camps to keep up with demand...Just like Grandpappy Prescott wanted. <p>Gahhh.

  11. Thu Mar 24, 2005 10:27 pm
    actually...I want to mirror giant erections along the 49th also...am I mentally ill too???

  12. Thu Mar 24, 2005 11:25 pm
    The article about mental illness was on smirkingchimp.com and by David Podvin,(March 23). What is even scarier is to go to theocracywatch.com and see what the religious right in the states are really planning.

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    rhondda

  13. Fri Mar 25, 2005 12:15 am
    <p>Dave,</p> <p>what is your vision for equitable distribution?</p>

  14. Fri Mar 25, 2005 5:19 am
    I suspect he meant to write "equally" instead of "equitably", or considers the two synonymous.



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