Hitler's Germany Revisited In Canada?

Posted on Tuesday, August 23 at 01:47 by whelan costen
"This latest piece of liberty stripping legislation is but one more incremental step of stealth because Canadians would not tolerate this if we were allowed to have full information of what is going on. This is an incredible situation," reported Fogal. She continued, "Many Canadians fought and died in WW2 to stop this very kind of police state activity. What we are witnessing now with these types of laws is an exact pattern of liberty -stripping imposed by Hitler on Germans under the guise of 'National Security'. Good people there who turned a blind eye or failed to resist later discovered it was too late.Their liberty was completely eliminated . Eventually it reached a stage where even Germany's highest court judges were committing crimes by convicting innocent people. See the Nuremburg Trials. Even Judges are corruptible in such regimes. As Harry Rankin, Vancouver's renowned 25 year alderman and criminal lawyer, used to say, 'If you want justice, go to church,not to the courts. The courts are there to apply the law created by politicians.' " "Fogal, a lawyer, said, "Canada along with many countries has been participating for years in an eavesdropping program called Echelon. That is illegal. What government is trying to do is make it legal. It is illegal because our system as a democracy had built in protections for the good and innocent. Police have to justify any invasion of privacy before a court of law. If the court did not accept the reason for the invasion, it was not allowed. This protection is core to civil liberties. We should not abandon it. We must not abandon it, if we are to be a free and democratic people." "It is such hypocrisy for Canada to be supporting the US occupation of Afghanistan and Iraq as deliverers of "freedom" when new local draconian laws at home are stripping Canadians and Americans of our liberty. It is time for a reality check," insisted Fogal. "At a crucial point in 'the tide of the affairs of men' human beings have to take a stand and be counted. Better sooner than later when to do so means imprisonment or death, as happened in Germany. I, for one, say "NO" to another deceitful and wrongful law. I also speak as the leader of a small federal party voicing the view of thousands of Canadians who feel betrayed by the existing Parliamentarians,"said Fogal. Connie Fogal, lawyer, Director Defence of Canadian Liberty Committee and Leader of Canadian Action Party/parti action Canadienne -30- Contact: Canadian Action Party/ Parti Action Canadienne Leader, Constance (Connie) Fogal Telephone (604) 872 2128 home; Fax: (604) 872 1504 E-mail: conniefogal@telus.net Catherine Whelan Costen, Vice President and Candidate Email: cathpublish@wildroseinternet.ca Ph: 403-684-3514 or 403-660-0449 Fax: 403-684-3464 Head Office #385- 916 West Broadway, Vancouver B.C. V5Z1K7 Tel: (604) 708-3372;Fax: (604) 872 1504; e- mail: info@canadianactionparty.ca www.canadianactionparty.ca

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  1. Tue Aug 23, 2005 4:11 pm
    "Wealth is the temporary control of energy and can not be created, only taken from other sectors, or the environment"

    There are no right and left wings in politics, only the exploiters and the exploited, regardless under which flag they are under. As the world's resources are running out and the population increases the exploiters have to use more and more violence to maintain their exploitation rights. This violence may be the energy contained in armaments, or in the perceived energy of monetary capital and pseudo religious economic theories, legalizing exploitation. Basically the old "seigneurs rights" system, allegedly ordained by God, now spread over the globe.

    As Newton discovered 300 years ago, all energy inputs create equal reactions. This means that all economic activities, including the exploitation of others, either with arms, or capital, will create reactions equal to the benefits gained by the takers. In other words, there's no such thing in economics as "cheaper", or "win-win". Somebody, somewhere, some time, must pay the full price. The purpose of economic theories is not to "create overall wealth", but to cover up theft and decide who will pay the full costs of exploitation.

    While terrorist actions can not be condoned, excused, or supported, neither can economic theories, culminating in the utmost level of economic competition, called war, designed for the exploitation of others under the guise of religion, ideologies, or fraudulent sciences.

    If the so called "West" insists on the continuation of the biggest crime wave in history, called "globalized free trade", under the guise of the "science of neoclassical economics", the reactions will keep on growing, until the whole world becomes a perennial war zone, which our economist may call "competitive equilibrium", but we'll be paying for it with the loss of even our elementary human rights and freedoms, until we either wake up, or destroy ourselves.

    The last time I flew in an airliner was in 1969. We went to the airport and walked on the plane without any body searches, just by showing our tickets and have our seats assigned. But that was before alleged free trade and globalization. Ed Deak, Big Lake, BC.

  2. by avatar Spud
    Tue Aug 23, 2005 4:37 pm
    Hitler may be dead,but his ideas live on!Just take a look at the people and corporations that supported Hitler.The police do not need these extra powers.As someone pointed out on another post,they can already trace anyone on the net,so why the extra power?What next?Goose step practice in preschool?<br />
    Of course the cops will love it.Bigger budget,more "toys",all for National Security.Yeah.<br />
    The governments are scared of something,and so are the corporate big boys.Whatever it is they are able to keep this out of the public domain.<br />
    Most likely they are scared of the public as the article here shows:<br />
    <a href="http://www.ocnus.net/cgi-bin/exec/view.cgi?archive=70&num18291">http://www.ocnus.net/cgi-bin/exec/view.cgi?archive=70&num18291</a><br />
    <br />
    Perhaps we are running out of oil sooner than we think,and they are afraid of civil unrest?Don`t know,but the public is in a deep sleep.

  3. by mk
    Tue Aug 23, 2005 4:44 pm
    "Canada along with many countries has been participating for years in an eavesdropping program called Echelon"

    ... and though ostensibly a security device, the bulk of Echelon's productivity comes from (illegal) commercial espionage, does it not?

    Such tremendous expense and technological investment to do what--monitor a handful of terrorists? Didn't we more-or-less try that with the gun registry--where's the outrage, conservatives?

    The prospect of easy payoffs (political or commerical) from a little back door fascism will be too tempting for some.

  4. Tue Aug 23, 2005 6:32 pm
    <a href="http://www.willyoujoinus.com">http://www.willyoujoinus.com</a><br />
    Maybe this is the problem?

  5. by mk
    Tue Aug 23, 2005 6:40 pm
    Nice. The domain is registered to the Madison Ave. PR firm Young & Rubicam, amply represented in a simple Google search for "greenwash": <a href="http://www.google.ca/search?q=%22Young+%26+Rubicam%22+greenwash">http://www.google.ca/search?q=%22Young+%26+Rubicam%22+greenwash</a> <br />
    <br />
    Quick, someone reserve andwhatifwedontwantto.ca<br />
    <br />
    <br />

  6. Thu Aug 25, 2005 7:39 am
    mk makes a good point, 'Didn't we more-or-less try that with the gun registry--where's the outrage, conservatives?' Where is the outrage?

    The costs of the gun registry could have went to pay for some much needed MRI's and it did nothing to prevent gun crimes. Same with this spyware, they have had much of this stuff for years, how successful was it at preventing 911 or Madrid or London bombings?

    So we give up our privacy for what? Many people say, well if you aren't doing anything wrong, what's the big deal? Well the big deal is that you have a right to privacy, I don't have to do something wrong, to not want to share the intimate details of my life with strangers.

    I mentioned this before but I find it really strange, before 911, there was a show on t.v. 'Behind Closed Doors with Joan Lunden' on it they showcased, bragged about how great the U.S. security was, how the pentagon was so well protected and on and on...don't see that kind of show anymore for some reason??

    ---
    If I stand for my country today...will my country be here to stand for me tomorrow?

  7. by mk
    Thu Aug 25, 2005 12:59 pm
    "Many people say, well if you aren't doing anything wrong, what's the big deal?"

    And at the same time these same people are giving authorities expanded, unthrottled freedom to determine, as a matter of circumstance or expedience, what is "wrong". And large, politically-well-connected commercial interests can find plenty "wrong" with grassroots activism, invention, innovation and even competition.

  8. Thu Aug 25, 2005 4:59 pm
    Ok,"THEY" are not doing anything wrong either .Right?
    So all cops,politicians,CEO`s,judges,religious leaders are to be kept under 24 hour surveillance.I am sure they will all agree.Hey they are not doing anything wrong.No problem.......right?
    Cops at Ipperwash???Heh heh heh.:)



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