Bush Admin Fudging Data, Say Scientists

Fudging Data? No kidding,....

Same as our media always reporting how Canada`s economy is booming. Meanwhile, in the last 20 years, all we`ve seen is an increase in the disparities between rich and poor.

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Dave Ruston

Exactly Dave.

Awwwww, gee dubya wouldn\'t do anything like that!! Just ask him he\'ll tell ya\' \'course he won\'t know the right words to say it

Since the neo-con and neo-liberals continue to get voters support here in Canada and in the U.S. I ask myself is it cause the mass are so easily duped in believing the \'fudged data\', brain-washing process? Or is it that people really do support the \"backroom\" process that these neo\'s take.

From all the conservatives and liberals that have been elected over the decades. All of them which have done the opposite of what they promised. Why do voters still believe that the next leader will be any different?

A party is a party, and no matter who the leader is there is always going to be similarities in the leader. I must say the only difference now is that they leaders are getting worse - far right leaders.

I just don\'t get it.

Kevin Gagnon

Its funny, I was watching a show where a political figure was saying that the apathy of most middle of the road citizens is getting worse. There are more votes in the extreme flanks of the political spectrum and so thats where politicians are going, and thats how they\'re getting elected.

Well apathy is indeed our problem, but also people are really scared of all this corruption, and they are not speaking out as much as they should, because they as many have said on this forum, are afraid of being dragged out in the night, etc.

The more corruption, the more on the line so to speak, the more that is a stake the higher the risk to speaking against it! So what do we do, most people are more afraid of getting the unknown that they are of the known, that is why people are so willing to believe in Martin\'s sincerity, they want to believe in someone, they don\'t want to believe that everyone is corrupt, and really I can\'t blame them, I too am hoping for a light in this blizzard! The problem is that if and when we find the light we won\'t have any damn gas to fuel the bugger!

Scientists and those who want to instigate social control policies are always saying that the sky is falling, it gets them research money. The Kyoto accords are a prime example, they are un-scientific feel-good documents that appeal to our guilty consciences and are therefore popular. Unfortunately the study of science is fast becoming purely \'political science\'.

It\'s not science if it\'s not America\'s fault.
Global warning is caused by George Bush.
Therefore, we can blame the weather on America and George Bush.

Although I\'m no fan of George Bush, I don\'t think its valid to blame the entire global warming issue on him or America. Global warming is a problem on a global scale, and many countries are at fault.

I should mention though also that some of the third world countries that the IMF and World Bank put into debt. Who now have businesses from American investors. Operate without the enviromental policies that they have in the U.S. So American investors/businesses are poluting the earth in these countries. We all know that America already has poor enviromental policies, but still there is too much for them. So the corporations go elsewhere and the government allows it.

Its just a matter of time that the argument will be that North America will have to lower their enviromental policies to the level of these third world countries, in order to attract back the jobs that were lost from this approach. Is it a plot? Or maybe I\'m just speculating. Maybe it is a valid point.

Anyways I know it look like I\'m blaming America and Bush, but I still say that its not only Bush and America to blame in this.

Kevin Gagnon
www.kevingagnon.ca

Of course Bush\'s America isn\'t the ONLY cause of global warming. But it is the LARGEST producer of greenhouse gases and so if you accept that those gases contribute to global warming, which of course the Bush admin doesn\'t, then the Bush admin and America do have to take a proportional part of the repsonsibility. The other difference of course is that unlike almost all other nations (with Russia remaining on the fence) the Bush admin has refused to sign Kyoto and therefore try to do something about greenhouse gas emissions--and if Russia doesn\'t join, probably largely due to heavy US lobbying, will therefore be largely responsible for kaiboshing efforts to cut down such emissions and yes, responsible for any resulting climate change. That\'s because in order for the treaty to come into effect it has to include enough coutnries to account for a certain percentage of the gases being released worldwide, and without the US and Russia that percentage will not be reached, since the US accounts for something like half of all the gases.

It is most certainly a global responsibility to take care of the environment, but in this case America has a large part to play.

I want to remind people that CFCs were once a big issue (remember how they create the ozone hole?) and we created an internationla treaty to ban them (the Montreal Protocol). As a result their use was drastically reduced, and scientists were already reporting a couple of years ago that the hole has shrunk. It is in fact is no longer much of a problem AFAIK. So our efforts CAN affect the environment and we CAN reverse or reduce that damage--but only if we all work together, and that is something the Bush admin really doesn\'t like to do.

Actually the \"good news\" about the ozone hole, wasn\'t that it has shrunk, its that its rate of growth is slowing. So yes international treaties can have an effect on the environment, but we still have much further to go.

Ya, a person can get worn down. Garbonzo beans are good self-serve source for me however.

Just wait until China has the ability to sell a car to their entire population. They don\'t have any environmental controls that I know of.

Think about it, another several billion cars spewing out good old exhaust fumes.

We better hope we run out of oil before we run out of clean air !!

At least a horse doesn\'t burn gasoline (unless you put it on his tail and light it...)

Of course, when he falls over dead, you can just say he ran out of gas ...



Sorry ! Couldn\'t resist !



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