Young Quebecers Find Sovereignty Passé: PQ Report

Posted on Thursday, September 23 at 16:02 by canuck
The report says the independence option doesn't seem to be all that important to many young Quebecers, especially among those who don't belong to the PQ. PQ members Alexandre Bourdeau, Stéphan Tremblay and Jonathan Valois say unless the party moves beyond strict ideology, sovereignty will become an old idea. The trio spoke with young people in 25 Quebec communities this year as part of a debate on new ideas launched by party leader Bernard Landry. They visited high schools, colleges and universities. They found even young sovereigntists are cynical about the PQ's plans, and want the party to spell out the implications of a "yes" vote in a sovereignty referendum. Some also consider Quebec independence to be strictly a PQ project that ignores young peoples' concerns about social issues, the environment and globalization. Bourdeau says young Quebecers are more interested in the environment and globalization, and not sovereignty. The 12-page report, which was submitted to the PQ caucus in June, was posted on the party's website. Mario Dumont, leader of Action démocratique du Québec, says he's not surprised by the findings. He has promised a moratorium on the sovereignty question. "People supported the PQ in the past because they thought the PQ would carry their nationalist aspirations through referendum time," said Dumont. "There were two opportunities and it didn't work and at the end of those opportunities Quebec was weaker than before." http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2004/09/23/sovereignty_040923.html

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  1. Fri Sep 24, 2004 12:45 am
    "outmoded, outdated and dilapidated"

    Ummm. Although I am not young or a Québecois anymore, I can certainly relate now as almost a "pure-laine FHQ" the same terms to us the FHQs. Some serious renewal is needed in both Québec and hors-Québec in light of globalizations, our changing world and how this impacts one's "sovereinty" (Quebec&Canada). These things happen when People turn on the auto-pilot mode along with the ideology blinders and no longer reconsider their working assumptions. The old guards certainly tend to do this.

  2. Fri Sep 24, 2004 3:32 am
    Just as I thought. But perhaps if it becomes 'official' or more widely known, then sellout politicians in Ottawa and elsewhere can get off of this divide and conquer trip that they use to sell Canada out. Maintenant nous pouvons faire une pays fort pour tout le monde qui habite dans le Canada!

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    Dave Ruston

  3. Fri Sep 24, 2004 4:55 am
    Dave: learn from the mistakes made on the francophone side about not reevaluating our assumptions in regards to this complex thing called "sovereinty". The anglo side and the old Canadian sovereinty guard in particular also needs to carefully think through their assumptions in relation to the US as well as globalization, for instance. Hope this makes sense.

  4. Fri Sep 24, 2004 3:00 pm
    The old dinosaurs of the separatist movement have always tried to appeal to the ethnic pride of the 'pur laine' Quebecois. But young Canadians in general, regardless of where they live, have in recent years seen the results of this kind of ethnic pride worldwide when it's taken to an extreme, and it's pretty ugly.
    There are many reasons for francophone Quebeckers to be proud of their heritage but no good reason for these old dinosaurs to set up an 'us' and 'them' mentality, hopefully this article is an indication that younger people see beyond such manipulation of their feelings.

  5. Fri Sep 24, 2004 5:29 pm
    I no longer speak as a Québécois but do not underestimate their ability to reinvent themselves. I can certainly see Trudeau's dream of functional multiculturalism and bilingualism amongst the People actually coming to fruition in Quebec and ***not*** in Canada. What a weird irony! Reality exceeding fiction?

  6. Fri Sep 24, 2004 5:48 pm
    Elitist plan to conquer Canada. Go young Quebecers, go!

  7. Fri Sep 24, 2004 6:42 pm
    Was this a trolle? Try again with a better baite.

  8. by N Say
    Sat Sep 25, 2004 12:51 am
    Vous Quebecois etes "federastes", HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! ;-)

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    "George Bush has declared the war on terrorism to be the cause of his generation. The cause of Canadian sovereignty will be ours." - John Godfrey, MP for Don Va

  9. Sat Sep 25, 2004 1:47 am
    Reality exceeding fiction. You need a warped mind to see this though.

  10. Sat Sep 25, 2004 1:49 am
    Hold on there pardner. There are pockets of multiculturalism all over Canada. I happen to live in one here in New Brunswick, and I've seen Quebecois teachers in Alberta getting along quite fine with not only the anglais teaching staff, but the local English and local French communities. But if you want to say that Quebec leads Canada in that regard, then it's Ok to say that too, I wouldn't know so I'll believe you. Just so long as you know that it's a phenomenon not unique to Quebec.

  11. Sat Sep 25, 2004 5:21 am
    I will argue that Quebec is a pretty good example to follow as far as functional multiculturalism and bilingualism. The challenge of course is a whole lot more difficult in the ROC simply due to the different demographics. Francophones have a much greater need of english than anglophones have of french whereever they are.

  12. Sat Sep 25, 2004 12:17 pm
    I get what they mean. I just recently left Quebec to go back to school. No one cares about 'sovernity'. Its not as big of a deal as it was back then.
    as for needing a warped mind to see the irony in this...hahaha..I got one as well.
    Meh.


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    "The wind mocks me"- JA

  13. Sat Sep 25, 2004 4:04 pm
    I will remind you that I am not a Quebecois but am a federalist. I agree that Quebecois are generally not much "federalists" but perhaps their bilingualism and multiculturalism is more "functional" than in the ROC, including the few francophone "pockets".

  14. by michou
    Sun Sep 26, 2004 6:58 pm
    One article does not reality make... <p> Gaulois is correct. Québec keeps on reinventing itself. The article states that young Québécers are more concerned with social issues, the environment and globalization. All of us on this site must know that all the issues mentionned must at some point proceed through a political will of some kind. It reminds me of those young women who do not think of themselves as feminists though they benefit from freedoms and rights, fought and won by the same feminists they do not relate to anymore. Dare remove any of their freedoms and rights and those same women will be the first ones to hit the streets crying 'High Treason' and demanding them back. </p><p>ADQ's Mario Dumont came out this week with an 'Autonomous Québec State within Canada' program. Many are angry with Martin's comment following the health care agreement stating that Québec IS distinct. And there is talk of an assymmetric federation. <p> Autonomy, Sovereignty, Assymmetry, Distinctness. Name it what you want, they are just words trying to describe a reality too many do not want to contemplate. I've been laughing all week. :-)



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