Multiculturalism: It Hurts Us All

Posted on Friday, November 12 at 19:03 by Perturbed
Here is an interesting article that touches on a recent hot-topic on Vive. What do you think? Multiculturalism: It Hurts Us All Why Canada isn?t, never was, and probably never will be a multicultural nation (first in a series) by Susana Ferreira http://dominionpaper.ca/features/2004/11/06/multicultu.html

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  1. Sat Nov 13, 2004 6:56 am
    Multiculturalism is a way for the governing party, usually Liberals, to purchase votes from ethnics without facing any possibility of criticism because they can easily label detractors of this totally racist policy as racists. This worked most recently in the riding election in BC the other day, 'divide and conquer' is an old strategy that still works apparently.

    Of course multiculturalism is not good for Canada but that doesn't matter to the federal Liberals, expediency will trump the national interest every time in their book of ethics*.*(just kidding, Liberals don't have a book of ethics of course)

    Canadians at least have the benefit of being able to see the future of multiculturalism by what is happening in Holland right now, we've invited and paid the same fascist dogmatic religious nuts to be our neighbours, and as the Dutch have discovered, they're not liberals in sheiks clothing.

  2. Sat Nov 13, 2004 6:23 pm
    I want to reply to this post but you'll have to fill me in on the Dutch
    experience beforehand since I am totally ingorant of it. Please,
    can you tell me why the Dutch experience is relevant?

    In my opinion, an attack against multiculturalism is what you do if
    you are interested in seeing society fragmented and fearful.

    That would be merely yet now another attempt by MIC (military/
    industrail/complex) corporations - aided and encouraged by
    corrupt government officials - to divide our society by fucking with
    our heads.

    Don't fall for this bullshit. I for one welcome and rejoice at the
    differences among all of us. Even Michael Scott has a place here.
    We should reach out to all types of people and make them our
    friends and take back our government. That's what Canadians
    would do.

  3. Sat Nov 13, 2004 6:55 pm
    It has nothig more to do with the immigration policies in general than the people here at an individual level. People are generally good.

    Immigration is a band-aid for the real problem western countries face--a negative birth rate. We'll become third-world counries, and lose our identity if we allow countries with higher birth rates like India to take over while we have no kids and chase after cars and houses.

    Most western European countries hate immigration for a variety of reasons, and Russia is fully racist by our standards, so it's hardly racist to discuss the policy.

  4. Sat Nov 13, 2004 7:31 pm
    This claim against multi-culturalism is partially correct, only that the original goal of multi-culturalism has been brushed aside deliberately in favour of a new form if 'divisive' mutli-culturalism, for the purposed as stated, to 'divide and conquer.' Canada was ALWAYS was multi-cultural. Not only starting with the first nations people and British and French, but after that( in no particular order) , Germans, Pennsylvania Dutch, Quakers, Mennonites, slaves fleeing the underground railroad, Ukranian farmers, Icelandic people, Italians, Jewish people, Chinese and South Asian, and so on. This took place in the 18th and 19th centuries. Then quite an influx of immigrants came after World War 1. If one takes a trip to the Barry`s Bay area, of Ontario, to the village of Wilno (pronounced 'Vill-no') which is Canada`s first polish settlement. You can still see the Polish culture there. Then of course, after World War2, came many more immigrants from many different places. Our then multi-cultural society was quite cohesive, to say the least, when it came to building this country. In the 50`s and 60`s of course, we saw the arrival of Amish to Ontario form Ohio,and the so called draft dodgers. Back in those days we had governnments committed to building Canada and do so with social and economic justice in mind. And although since 1984 we`ve witnessed various Canadian governments not committed to Canada, somehow, we became, and still are, respected around the world as an open, tolerant, society. But sadly, the corporate fascist powers that be, wish to see this dream, although never perfect, yet quite successful, destroyed. As the attack on social and economic justice continues, with a pseudo-culture pumped to us based on mercenaryism, even 'white people' have sometimes been segmented from each other! The principle of altruism is now out; the 'fad' of dog eat dog is in! This is what TRULY divides all people! But yet, I don`t see a Canadian society so fragmented as to provoke any warlike action in a Balkanization of Canada, not that I want to give the retro-cons any ideas. I`ll not forget last summer, taking my family to Ottawa, to watch the changing of the guard and all that, and when the band played at the end, O Canada, ALL the people watching, black, white, oriental, brown, and whatever, joined in and sang the national anthem! Beautiful, was the feeling!

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    Dave Ruston

  5. by avatar canuck
    Sat Nov 13, 2004 8:20 pm
    "Multiculturalism is a way for the governing party, usually Liberals, to purchase votes from ethnics without facing any possibility of criticism because they can easily label detractors of this totally racist policy as racists."

    I've always thought that the Cons' accusations of purchasing votes from minorities was just a way for them to push their anti-immigration stance without appearing to be racist.

  6. Sat Nov 13, 2004 8:24 pm
    Yeah but it does work that way. The middle-aged Chinese would vote for Harper if the Liberals hadn't let them in.

    As much as Canada has always been multicultural--it is still controlled by French-Canadian and other white Canadians....multicultural peasants is less of an issue IMO.

    Let's put it this way: tell me that you'd be satisfied if the Chinese man became the face of Canada in 50 years. If we keep this crap up--that'll happen.

    Are you ready for that?

  7. by avatar canuck
    Sat Nov 13, 2004 8:35 pm
    I agree nearly entirely, Dave. Multiculturalism is only deemed harmful to those and by those who are only interested in maintaining the idea that their own cultural traditions are superior to those of others.

    I practically live multiculturally and I staunchly believe that different cultures should need not be diluted in order to "fit in".... just as long as people remember to be Canadian FIRST (the common thread of all immigrants in this country that should transend all minor cultural divisions that may exist).

    Has anyone ever been to the annual World Villages Festival held in Brantford, Ont?

  8. by avatar canuck
    Sat Nov 13, 2004 8:39 pm
    It shouldn't matter what this person may look like, all that I'd expect is that the well-being of Canada and all of us who inhabit it are the first priority.

  9. Sat Nov 13, 2004 9:39 pm
    Well, no other country would say that, so maybe we are the country that is clueless. Obviously, there is more to people than complexion, but when you import people you also import values that don't always change very quickly.

  10. by avatar canuck
    Sat Nov 13, 2004 9:56 pm
    Yes, I don't deny the aspect that immigrants may bring their orginal prejudices or conflicts with them (although, if they intended to escape these conflicts by moving to another country, you wouldn't expect them to perpetuate those problems in their new home). That is why at least some degree of Canadian nationalism from all stripes of people is crucial to the success of a multicultural society.... otherwise we would have regional conflicts erupting everywhere. I suppose that is the reason these conflicts continue to occur... people just don't want to let them go.

  11. Sat Nov 13, 2004 10:13 pm
    Do we want people in Canada who are only here because they are "escaping" some place?

    Also, are we doing poor countries a favour by taking their best-educated?

  12. by avatar canuck
    Sat Nov 13, 2004 10:25 pm
    What other reason would a person have for migrating from their homeland... if not in search for refuge, than wealth?

    The main thing I was trying to say is that multiculturalism is entirely possible, no matter what xenophobes or separatists say.

  13. by avatar canuck
    Sat Nov 13, 2004 10:31 pm
    ...and no, I do not support the exploitation of poorer countries. Canada should, but isn't, being the leader in promoting the domestic devolopment of poor countries.

  14. by avatar Milton
    Sat Nov 13, 2004 10:44 pm
    Notice that we say "we immigrated here" and that we are a nation of immigrants. I guess the Crow, Mohawk, Peigan and all the other tribes of original inhabitants don't count. You see, we invaded this land.

    What is done is done. If we are ever to establish justice we are going to have to confront the crimes that our ancestors have committed and that we have profited from. We are going to become very honest or very extinct. There is no more time left for selfish bullshit.



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