Wilkins: Don't Blow Ad Out Of Proportion

Posted on Thursday, October 26 at 16:09 by jensonj
Canadians should hold their outrage and consider the daily political attacks that Bush faced during the Canadian federal election campaign, he said. "Just imagine if I registered a complaint every time my country or president was criticized," Wilkins said. "Compare that (one ad) with the criticism early this year during the (federal) election that happened every day in Canada . . .ads that were run consistently throughout your country." He said Canadians have the right to be upset but should also be upset about unfounded attacks on the United States. "I think that righteous indignation ought to be a two-way street. We ought to be just as upset and concerned by criticism in Canada of the United States as we seem to be when one person in one state runs an ad that's critical of Canada." http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2006/10/26/pf-2135569.html [Proofreader's note: this article was edited for spelling and typos on October 27, 2006]

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  1. Thu Oct 26, 2006 11:19 pm
    Why does everyone think this year will be different? They already stole 2 presidential elections (wide scale fraud). You really think they cannot steal House elections (small scale fraud). This is the same group that managed to legalize warrantless wiretaps, suspend habeas corpus, ban books like "America Deceived" from Amazon, detain demonstrators and start 2 illegal wars based on lies. The Republicans will probably lose a few seats to make it look good but maintain a majority. Then they'll invade Iran on behalf of Israel.<br />
    Support indy media.<br />
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  2. Thu Oct 26, 2006 11:52 pm
    This ad ran in Tennessee? Isn't that an area in the US where they have a history of mental and genetic defects due to some serious long term inbreeding? Since we know who it came from, why should we blow it out of proportion? It's not their fault they are a by-product of some serious white trash down there.

  3. Thu Oct 26, 2006 11:55 pm
    Wilkins is right. Why on earth should Canadians care what the likes of the USA has to say. We don't hesitate to be critical of the USA even when founded. I don't like it when my dogs start barking but accept the fact that they are dogs and do dog things. The only time the US complements any other nation, is when that nation is in their hip pocket. Be proud that so far only Harper has been praised by Bush. Be concerned when the entire population is complemented by the Americans. We know then that we have taken up their values.

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  4. by Wraun
    Fri Oct 27, 2006 12:00 am
    >>"Just imagine if I registered a complaint every time my country or president was criticized," Wilkins said.

    There isn't enough paper on the planet Mr. Wilkins but ask yourself why.

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    Everybody got to deviate from the norm

  5. Fri Oct 27, 2006 12:04 am
    "Why on earth should Canadians care what the likes of the USA has to say."

    Considering the fact that the USA is trying to swallow up Canada's natural resources and influence policy up here, we should be very concerned. Especially when you have a Prime Minister in office that is more than happy to sell off this country chunk by chunk.

  6. by KWL
    Fri Oct 27, 2006 4:55 am
    Why even bother running election ads in the US. The Repuglicans will steal this election just like the last ones. It's a foregone conclusion, they will win, mark my words

  7. Fri Oct 27, 2006 5:02 am
    Of course they'll steal the election, as long as they're not BUSY luring teenage boys via internet chat rooms.

  8. Fri Oct 27, 2006 5:07 am
    Considering the fact that the USA is trying to swallow up Canada's natural resources and influence policy up here, we should be very concerned. Especially when you have a Prime Minister in office that is more than happy to sell off this country chunk by chunk.<<

    Then it's Canadians, Canadians should be listening to. Harper is not hearing us and listening to the Americans. Canadians dwell to much on what the Yanks say and should be listening to one another. Perhaps then, Canadians will realize that they have a lot in common. NFL to BC and we all want the same but one has to question as to who it is that's doing the selling. Harper didn't sell the HBC nor Sears. He didn't sell our National railway nor Tim Hortons. Canadians did that and without government assistance. We Canadians allowed it.


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  9. Fri Oct 27, 2006 4:54 pm
    Sorry Mr. Ambassador, but I don't buy it. Yes, our politicians do indeed prey on the US admistration during elections campaigns, but the Canadian voter sees what they are doing.

    As former Canadian Ambassador to the US J. Bartlet Brebner once said: "Americans are benevolently ignorant about Canada, while Canadians are malevolently well informed about the United States." You yourself try to fight the myth that "the 9/11 hijackers came in through Canada" despite repeated attempts to emphasize the opposite, because of one simple and incorrerect comment by a politician years ago.

    We know what our politicians try, and they don't get away with it. Now, the entire state of Tennesee believes we are slackers, when in fact, our soldiers are dying protecting the very ally who denegrates their sacrifice. Canada is know for fighting well above our weight class, but North Korea is well above that class at the moment. Probabally above your weight class too.

    Now we have yet another myth to fight, because no one is speaking the facts loudly enough. The difference here, sir, is that our politicians tactics often work against them, while US politicians tactics work against us. Overreaction I believe is not enough.

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  10. Fri Oct 27, 2006 6:27 pm
    "Sorry Mr. Ambassador, but I don't buy it. Yes, our politicians do indeed prey on the US admistration during elections campaigns, but the Canadian voter sees what they are doing."

    Really? If playing the anti-American card weren't effective, the Liberals wouldn't spend every election campaign accusing the Conservatives of trying to Americanize the country while the NDP accuses both the Liberals and Tories of the same thing. And then of course, CAP accuses everyone but themselves of trying to hoist the stars and stripes over Parliament Hill.

    That is not to say that this Tennessee campaign ad wasn't a cheap shot (not to mention a lie). Canadians are right to be offended by it. But I'm interested in the ugly stereotyping that came out in this thread. I think dismissing all Tennessee residents as inbred morons is a case of being malevolently misinformed or downright dishonest.

    I think some of the nationalists on here actually love it when some American takes a cheap shot at Canada, the same way that Quebec nationalists loved it when some English Canadians stepped on a Quebec flag. It validates your worldview. A feud's not as much fun if the other side doesn't shoot back.

    Whenever I accuse someone on Vive of anti-Americanism, I tend to get one of two types of replies.

    1. I'm not anti-American. I admire their constitution and their founding principles. I'm sad that they've thrown all that away and shredded their constitution because of the machinations of the military-industrial complex.

    2. I'm not anti-American. It's just that Americans really are backward, inbred, gun-toting, imperialistic, obese, illiterate, patriarchal, oil-guzzling, greedy, selfish, violent, superstitious, loud-mouthed, racist, heartless, baby-eating SUV-driving ass****s. If they weren't like that, I'd be fine with them.

    The first amounts to "I like the US in theory, but not in practice", the second to "I'd like them fine if they didn't suck."

  11. by Wraun
    Fri Oct 27, 2006 7:29 pm
    "A feud's not as much fun if the other side doesn't shoot back."

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    Everybody got to deviate from the norm

  12. by Deacon
    Fri Oct 27, 2006 7:36 pm
    "Just imagine if I registered a complaint every time my country or president was criticized," Wilkins said.

    Sorry Ambassador, but your president IS a moron.

    He's also a fascist, the son of a fascist, and the grandson of a fascist.

    He's also a man directly responsible for the deaths of AT LEAST tens of thousands of people.

    And those are just the obvious and provable facts I can come up with just off the top of my head.

    That YOU cannot either accept or acknowledge the truth is appalling.

    We are not "criticizing" or bashing your president.

    We are only telling the truth.

    Live with it IF you choose to, change it IF you can, or STFU.

    It's your country, do something to save it.

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    "and the knowledge they fear is a weapon to be used against them"

    "The Weapon" - Rush

  13. Fri Oct 27, 2006 7:36 pm
    "If playing the anti-American card weren't effective, the Liberals wouldn't spend every election campaign accusing the Conservatives of trying to Americanize the country while the NDP accuses both the Liberals and Tories of the same thing."

    Sometimes when you've lied to the public - ("Red Book" or "GST" or 'Et Tu Brutus err . . . McKay?') or spent billions on nothing but your own supporters and their families, that is the only card you have left to play.

    You may call it anti-american{ization}, I simply see it as distraction from any real issues that the public cares about and I am not fooled. Perhaps I'm wrong that Canadians don't see that. I don't think so, however.

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  14. by Deacon
    Fri Oct 27, 2006 7:45 pm
    Individualist, I will take your

    "1. I'm not anti-American. I admire their constitution and their founding principles. I'm sad that they've thrown all that away and shredded their constitution because of the machinations of the military-industrial complex."

    as a direct shot across my bow, and I will now reply with one of my own.

    Do YOU deny that those events refered to in your quote have occurred?

    Just answer "Yes" or "No"

    And don't try fogging the issue with rhetoric, just say either "Yes" or "No".

    One word, no more.

    Think you can do that?

    And just to force the issue, I will take any refusal to answer on your part as a default "Yes".

    It's your move.

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    "and the knowledge they fear is a weapon to be used against them"

    "The Weapon" - Rush



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