Elites who are linked to a industrial-military complex, are seeking to further consolidate a "North American Union" that is to be run by them. The apparent clandestine nature of these "negotiations" in itself, CNN's Lou Dobbs further reports, reveals that their sought "North American Union" (NAU) will not be in the quality-of-living related interests of Canadians, Americans, or Mexicans. The NAU is a fascistic attempt to replace the democratic foundation of constitutions in Canada and the U.S., with what Mr. Dobbs reports as a "shadow government" of elites.
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"I think it's important to always carry enough technology to restart civilization, should it be necessary." Mark Tilden
He also ridiculed Maude Barlow's opposition to the NAFTA and SPP, saying, how much good they've brought to the participating countries.
His sincerity brought tears to my eyes and I could hardly utter: "BS".
The funny thing is that item V on te Banff agenda was "Demographic and Social Dimensions of North American Integration". Item Vl "Border Infrastructure and Continental Prosperity"
Looks like Tom wasn't there.
Ed Deak.
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From: <a href="http://www.canada.com/victoriatimescolonist/news/story.html?id=7b628a9f-b841-491b-9400-9361fe6fefd1&k=41869">http://www.canada.com/victoriatimescolonist/news/story.html?id=7b628a9f-b841-491b-9400-9361fe6fefd1&k=41869</a><br />
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start report> OTTAWA (CP) — Top North American ministers deflected criticism that they had consulted only big business for their talks on trade and security rules, suggesting Friday there are “different venues” for public interest and labour groups to raise their concerns and suggestions.<br />
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The Security and Prosperity Partnership (SPP) is an ongoing dialogue between Canada, the United States and Mexico to find more common ground on issues ranging from border security to emergency preparedness. The group has an arm of business leaders that provides myriad recommendations, but has no formal mechanism for consulting the public at large.<br />
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STOCKWELL DAY, CANADIAN PUBLIC AFFAIRS MINISTER: “That type of thing happens in different venues in a host of other occasions, and we’re pleased to note that as we work together on the issues we discussed today then the quality of life of all our citizens improves,” Public Safety Minister Stockwell Day told reporters at the close of day-long meetings.<br />
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Day was flanked by his counterparts from Mexico and the United States, along with trade ministers from the three countries. The star attraction of the meetings was U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, who appeared at a final news conference with Foreign Affairs Minister Peter MacKay and Mexican Foreign Minister Patricia Espinosa.<br />
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The talks were a lead-up to a meeting of the countries’ leaders this August in Canada. >end report<br />
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CHRIS: Well, it was actually at the Fairmont Banff Springs Hotel on September 12th through 14th.<br />
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Here's Lou Dobbs reaction taken from: <a href="http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0702/23/ldt.01.html">http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0702/23/ldt.01.html</a><br />
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start segment> Another priority, integrating the energy grid. Business, a driving force in the SPP. The Canadian public safety minister was asked, where was the input from the citizens of the three countries?<br />
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STOCKWELL DAY, CANADIAN PUBLIC AFFAIRS MINISTER: "That type of thing happens in different venues on a host of other occasions."<br />
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REP. RON PAUL (R), TEXAS: They may well be doing something decent and good. Who knows? Maybe there are some benefits of these things they are suggesting. But to me, it's sort of a collusion between secret government and big business, and I don't like what I see coming. <br />
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Reporter CHRISTINE ROMANS: He and other border security advocates see a move toward open borders. They point to business community statements like today's "... any tightening of the borders between Canada, Mexico, and the United States, threatens to erode the North American advantage created by NAFTA."<br />
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ROMANS: The criticism of the SPP and its mission spans the political spectrum. Here, conservative groups like Judicial Watch fear an attack on the sovereignty of these countries and they'd like more transparency into the process. On the left, in Canada, are those that fear a move to undermine their healthcare and their food safety rules in favor of lower common standards between all three of these countries -- Lou. <br />
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DOBBS: There is, of course, a wide range of choices to make here when one talks about examples of the arrogance of this administration and the abuse of power by this government in a -- in a nation that is, after all, a representative democracy, or at least it once was. But for that minister, the Canadian minister, to respond that that happens in other venues and in -- on other occasions, the fact is, there is no role for the consent of the governed in this process. <br />
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ROMANS: And that's exactly what the critics are saying. They would like to know where their role is in this, especially since it's designed to transcend politics. No matter who is in government, no matter who we vote in, this is something that's meant to move on its own, and that is something that concerns people.<br />
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DOBBS: It should more than concern. It should infuriate, it should mobilize anyone who cares about something as archaic as a nation state called the United States of America. This is absolutely reprehensible conduct, and to what level it rises will depend upon, I suppose, to the exsent they can get away with it, what happens next.<br />
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DOBBS: Well, state lawmakers tonight are asking tough questions about the Security and Prosperity Partnership, what some call the North American Union. It's a plan devised by the Council of Foreign Relations, supported by big business and government elites to integrate the economies of the United States, Mexico, and Canada, with, of course, no congressional or voter oversight or approval. <br />
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Christine Romans reports now that more than a dozen states are urging the administration to abandon their plan. <br />
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CHRISTINE ROMANS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice over): Crawford, Texas, 2005. Cancun, 2006. Ottawa, last month. At the highest levels, the three North American governments are making the Security and Prosperity Partnership a top priority. <br />
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Canada's foreign minister last month...<br />
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PETER MACKAY, CANADIAN MINISTER OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS: I think it's fitting that for the first time the three of us would meet under the same room that's in the context of the SPP. <br />
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ROMANS: They're working with major companies, harmonizing regulations, they say, and working to move goods and people more safely and quickly across borders. Arizona state senator Karen Johnson is convinced it's nothing short of a move toward a European-style North American union. She doesn't buy the government position that the SPP is an effort to make all three countries more efficient and safe. <br />
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KAREN JOHNSON (R), ARIZONA STATE SENATE: How can you harmonize and merge laws together with a narco-state? I mea, that is what Mexico is. It's an oligarchy. It has nothing to do with the way we govern. And Canada, as nice a country as it is, is socialistic. <br />
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ROMANS: Hers is one of more than a dozen states where lawmakers are considering legislation or passing resolutions opposing the SPP. <br />
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In the Illinois general assembly, for example, a House resolution cited the "open borders vision of the SPP" and urged the U.S. to withdraw from any further participation in the Security and Prosperity Partnership. <br />
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The administration denies its avail for some sort of North American union. <br />
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THOMAS SHANNON, STATE DEPT.: We think that we have kind of created not only a trail of public events, but also a trail of very explicit documents highlighting what it is we're trying to accomplish. <br />
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ROMANS: But not everyone supports what they're trying to accomplish. <br />
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ROMANS: Lawmakers like Karen Johnson in Arizona fear an assault on sovereignty and states' rights. And Canada, the liberals fear for their benefits and welfare system, and for their social network that they have there. And from the Mexican press point of view, at the Ottawa event last month some very pointed questions and outright skepticism about whether the United States is thinking about anybody but itself in all of this. <br />
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DOBBS: Well, I would think that the Mexican press would give the United States great credit taking care of 20 million of its citizens here. I mean, that's -- that seems like such a harsh view for the Mexican press to adopt. <br />
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What kind of idiots are the American people that we put up with this kind of nonsense? That we tolerate a president -- I can't even imagine what the Canadians are thinking. <br />
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The Canadians, they've got a wonderful country, wonderful people. They're being rolled over just like we are. <br />
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I just can't understand why there isn't an absolute, just straight out statement from every American to the U.S. government, "Stick it, and don't pull this again"? <br />
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ROMANS: I'm not sure what -- I can't speak to the intellectual capacity of the American people or their ability to band together, but, you know... <br />
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DOBBS: Well, the intellectual capacity -- I can speak to it. We're a wonderful, smart people. But we put up with so much nonsense. It's -- it's getting to the point of disgust. <br />
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Anyway, thanks for riling me up. <br />
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ROMANS: I'm sorry to rile you up, Lou. <br />
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DOBBS: Thank you very much.<br />
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ROMANS: Well, the state lawmakers have definitely made their voice heard on this. So...<br />
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DOBBS: Well, good. It's time people got riled up in this country. <br />
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ROMANS: So maybe that's where the American people's voice is heard, through the state legislature.<br />
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DOBBS: Absolutely. I hope that they'll get something done on this for all our sakes.<br />
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FULL VIDEO: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6Xs8bposCc">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6Xs8bposCc</a>